Stop SMIDSY's!

[cfsmtb]

Well, in Queensland anyway. Has this been posted here yet?

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Improving the Visibility and Safety of Pedestrians, Road workers, and Cyclists
http://visibilityandsafety.carrsq.net.au/

Thank you for taking the time to visit our site. We are very interested in your opinions, experiences and perceptions of the visibility and safety of different road user groups. If you are interested in taking part in this research please select your road user type below to continue.

If you would like to enter a draw for the chance to win a cycle jersey (cyclists) or a double movie pass (drivers and pedestrians), please be sure to enter your contact details on the final page of the survey.

 

[Bean Long]

cfsmtb wrote:
> Well, in Queensland anyway. Has this been posted here yet?
>
> *************************
> Improving the Visibility and Safety of Pedestrians, Road workers, and
> Cyclists
> http://visibilityandsafety.carrsq.net.au/
>
> Thank you for taking the time to visit our site. We are very interested
> in your opinions, experiences and perceptions of the visibility and
> safety of different road user groups. If you are interested in taking
> part in this research please select your road user type below to
> continue.
>
> If you would like to enter a draw for the chance to win a cycle jersey
> (cyclists) or a double movie pass (drivers and pedestrians), please be
> sure to enter your contact details on the final page of the survey.
>
>
Thanks cfsmtb. Some of the questions were very interesting. I liked
how they wanted opinion on how safe it was for peds AND roadside workers
to be near roads. Awaiting my jersey!

--
Bean

Remove "yourfinger" before replying

 

[Tamyka Bell]

cfsmtb wrote:
> Well, in Queensland anyway. Has this been posted here yet?
>
> *************************
> Improving the Visibility and Safety of Pedestrians, Road workers, and
> Cyclists
> http://visibilityandsafety.carrsq.net.au/

I thought, seeing as I drive as well, I'd have a look... and I decided
I'd bias the results. I'm too much of a cyclist!

Tam

 

[asterope]

about time a survey like this was done! i ride alot at night, and i think its important that they are thinking about this area.

as for how visible i think i am to motorists... they should have had 2 answers:

how visible do you think you are to motorists?
how visible do you think you are to motorists who are also cyclists?

i dont know about you, but i think cyclists that drive are always on the lookout and very courteous to cyclists. part and parcel of being a responsible road user i guess

 

[Karen Gallagher]

asterope wrote:
> about time a survey like this was done! i ride alot at night, and i
> think its important that they are thinking about this area.
>
>
>
>
I was surprised at one of my own responses - yes, I do ride on the wrong
side of the road, daily - at one particular spot, for 100 metres near my
home - the alternative being a 4 km loop to do what is otherwise a 5 km
ride to my local shop. And there's a nice wide sealed edged to the road
there, where cars do not tend to veer.
Yes, I'm in the wrong.
Yes, I'll keep doing it while I consider it safe.
The loop would require me to cycle on a fast dual carriageway for
several kms where I feel I'm in much more danger.

Karen

--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

 

[Resound]

about time a survey like this was done! i ride alot at night, and i think its important that they are thinking about this area.

as for how visible i think i am to motorists... they should have had 2 answers:

how visible do you think you are to motorists?
how visible do you think you are to motorists who are also cyclists?

i dont know about you, but i think cyclists that drive are always on the lookout and very courteous to cyclists. part and parcel of being a responsible road user i guess

That one sort of stalled me for a bit too. i'm quite visible, but I don't know how many motorists actually see me.

 

[Theo Bekkers]

Karen Gallagher wrote:

> I was surprised at one of my own responses - yes, I do ride on the
> wrong side of the road, daily - at one particular spot, for 100
> metres near my home - the alternative being a 4 km loop to do what is
> otherwise a 5 km ride to my local shop. And there's a nice wide
> sealed edged to the road there, where cars do not tend to veer.
> Yes, I'm in the wrong.
> Yes, I'll keep doing it while I consider it safe.
> The loop would require me to cycle on a fast dual carriageway for
> several kms where I feel I'm in much more danger.

Hmm, would you be happy for some-one else to do the same thing? On a
motorcycle? In a car?

Why do you think you shoudl be excempt from the road rules?

Theo

 

[Zebee Johnstone]

In aus.bicycle on Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:44:23 +1000
cfsmtb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Well, in Queensland anyway. Has this been posted here yet?
>
> *************************
> Improving the Visibility and Safety of Pedestrians, Road workers, and
> Cyclists
> http://visibilityandsafety.carrsq.net.au/
>
Heh. Guess which road user group is so hard to see even the survey
looks right past them?

Sigh.

I won't fill in the cycle one till they put a motorcycle one in as
well!

Zebee

 

[Karen Gallagher]

Theo Bekkers wrote:
> Karen Gallagher wrote:
>
>> I was surprised at one of my own responses - yes, I do ride on the
>> wrong side of the road, daily - at one particular spot, for 100
>> metres near my home - the alternative being a 4 km loop to do what is
>> otherwise a 5 km ride to my local shop. And there's a nice wide
>> sealed edged to the road there, where cars do not tend to veer.
>> Yes, I'm in the wrong.
>> Yes, I'll keep doing it while I consider it safe.
>> The loop would require me to cycle on a fast dual carriageway for
>> several kms where I feel I'm in much more danger.
>
> Hmm, would you be happy for some-one else to do the same thing? On a
> motorcycle? In a car?
>
> Why do you think you shoudl be excempt from the road rules?
>
> Theo
>
>
I think I've already answered those questions in my original post ...
pay attention please

Karen

--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

 

[Euan]

Karen Gallagher wrote:
> asterope wrote:
>> about time a survey like this was done! i ride alot at night, and i
>> think its important that they are thinking about this area.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> I was surprised at one of my own responses - yes, I do ride on the wrong
> side of the road, daily - at one particular spot, for 100 metres near my
> home

100M? Why don't you just walk?
--
Cheers
Euan

 

[Karen Gallagher]

Euan wrote:
> Karen Gallagher wrote:
>> asterope wrote:
>>> about time a survey like this was done! i ride alot at night, and i
>>> think its important that they are thinking about this area.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I was surprised at one of my own responses - yes, I do ride on the
>> wrong side of the road, daily - at one particular spot, for 100 metres
>> near my home
>
> 100M? Why don't you just walk?

Because if I did I'd expose myself to danger for longer.
And I'd need to change to walking shoes

I have given the matter some thought before I started doing this and I'm
still convinced what I'm doing is the safest thing for me to do. Dual
carriageways like this one were not designed for either cyclists or
pedestrians and the sooner I'm off it, the better. And I live on one
side, my destination is on the other. I really don't feel I have any choice.

Karen

--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

 

[Donga]

Resound wrote:
> That one sort of stalled me for a bit too. i'm quite visible, but I
> don't know how many motorists actually see me.

Sadly I have to agree. After nearly getting wiped out three times at
the same quiet intersection while lit up like a christmas tree, I wrote
to council to suggest they modify the intersection. I've just received
a response saying the intersection conforms to standards.
Unfortunately, the motorists don't.

donga

 

[Fractal]

Given such poor bicycle access for you, due no doubt to unthinking road
engineers, you might have a case for a bike lane or overpass etc to be
built. Are many houses cut off like you seem to be by the freeway? Ever
tried to lobby the local council/Qld Roads for something better?

fb


"Karen Gallagher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Euan wrote:
>> Karen Gallagher wrote:
>>> asterope wrote:
>>>> about time a survey like this was done! i ride alot at night, and i
>>>> think its important that they are thinking about this area.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I was surprised at one of my own responses - yes, I do ride on the wrong
>>> side of the road, daily - at one particular spot, for 100 metres near my
>>> home
>>
>> 100M? Why don't you just walk?
>
> Because if I did I'd expose myself to danger for longer.
> And I'd need to change to walking shoes
>
> I have given the matter some thought before I started doing this and I'm
> still convinced what I'm doing is the safest thing for me to do. Dual
> carriageways like this one were not designed for either cyclists or
> pedestrians and the sooner I'm off it, the better. And I live on one side,
> my destination is on the other. I really don't feel I have any choice.
>
> Karen
>
> --
> "I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
> - Slartibartfast

 

[Karen Gallagher]

Fractal wrote:
> Given such poor bicycle access for you, due no doubt to unthinking road
> engineers, you might have a case for a bike lane or overpass etc to be
> built. Are many houses cut off like you seem to be by the freeway? Ever
> tried to lobby the local council/Qld Roads for something better?
>
> fb
>
Getting a bit OT now, but I've been trying for years to just get a road
sign on our service road - ambulance cannot easily find my house even.

And my local councillor has proved utterly powerless to do even this -
big dispute between Main Road & local council, result is no action.

Two years ago I had to call an ambulance four times in two months (I
won't go into that) - twice the crews were unable to find my home in
good time & I finished up driving the patient to hospital. Yes, it's a
life & death issue. No, we can't do anything about it.

Believe me, I've tried every trick I can think of to fix this.

Karen

--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

 

[Trevor_S]

Karen Gallagher <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

<Snip>

> Believe me, I've tried every trick I can think of to fix this.

Go to a local sign maker, get them to make one for you and stick it up
yourself.

--
Trevor S


"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-Albert Einstein

 

[Kingsley]

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:44:23 +1000, cfsmtb wrote:

> Improving the Visibility and Safety of Pedestrians,
> Road workers, and Cyclists
> http://visibilityandsafety.carrsq.net.au/

I'm always wary of this sort of thing. The way I see it
unless I'm out riding at night in my ninja-suit on the
flat-black stealth bike with no lights, then there shouldn't
be an excuse for not seeing me.

I kind'a feel that with all the safety-clothes arms race,
unless you're lit-up like an xmas-tree (or day-glow) you're
considered to be not taking proper precautions.

In my town, very rarely does anyone much more than pause
at an intersection, it's basically pull-out-and-pray.
Because it's such a low-traffic place (got our first
traffic light last year) these haven't been killed; yet.

I've had exactly the same near miss, in the car, on the
bike in daylight, and at night. They don't see 'cause they
don't look. No amount of gear is going to fix this.

-kt

PS> One night riding home from the station, someone in a car
coming the other way yelled out "YES WE CAN SEE YOU!!!", some
maybe you *can* have too many lights...

--
Kingsley Turner,
(mailto: [email protected])
http://MadDogsBreakfast.com/ABFAQ - news:aus.bicycle Frequenly Asked Questions

 

[TimC]

On 2006-06-25, Kingsley (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> In my town, very rarely does anyone much more than pause
> at an intersection, it's basically pull-out-and-pray.
> Because it's such a low-traffic place (got our first
> traffic light last year) these haven't been killed; yet.
>
> I've had exactly the same near miss, in the car, on the
> bike in daylight, and at night. They don't see 'cause they
> don't look. No amount of gear is going to fix this.

On my way to Glen Waverley station this morning (yay! I rode a steam
train for the first time in over a decade! Smells yummy!!), after
coming down the 1:20, there was a guy who was pulling out of the
service station.

He did a very very quick headcheck, saw there was cars behind me,
didn't see me, and attempted to gun it to beat the cars. He hit the
brakes hard when he heard a "HEY! Look!"

--
TimC
hey Beavis, we're segfaulting, heh heh heh, I know, Butthead, so let's
SIGBUS from inside the handler, heh heh heh --Stephen J. Turnbull

 

[dave]

TimC wrote:
> On 2006-06-25, Kingsley (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
>>In my town, very rarely does anyone much more than pause
>>at an intersection, it's basically pull-out-and-pray.
>>Because it's such a low-traffic place (got our first
>>traffic light last year) these haven't been killed; yet.
>>
>>I've had exactly the same near miss, in the car, on the
>>bike in daylight, and at night. They don't see 'cause they
>>don't look. No amount of gear is going to fix this.
>
>
> On my way to Glen Waverley station this morning (yay! I rode a steam
> train for the first time in over a decade! Smells yummy!!), after
> coming down the 1:20, there was a guy who was pulling out of the
> service station.
>
> He did a very very quick headcheck, saw there was cars behind me,
> didn't see me, and attempted to gun it to beat the cars. He hit the
> brakes hard when he heard a "HEY! Look!"
>
Kathy missed getting a picture of aforesaid steam train. You had better
have a very good story about it all Tim or she is going to ask for your
head on a plate. And you know I cant resist her

Dave

 

[TimC]

On 2006-06-25, dave (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> TimC wrote:
>> On 2006-06-25, Kingsley (aka Bruce)
>> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>>
>>>In my town, very rarely does anyone much more than pause
>>>at an intersection, it's basically pull-out-and-pray.
>>>Because it's such a low-traffic place (got our first
>>>traffic light last year) these haven't been killed; yet.
>>>
>>>I've had exactly the same near miss, in the car, on the
>>>bike in daylight, and at night. They don't see 'cause they
>>>don't look. No amount of gear is going to fix this.
>>
>>
>> On my way to Glen Waverley station this morning (yay! I rode a steam
>> train for the first time in over a decade! Smells yummy!!), after
>> coming down the 1:20, there was a guy who was pulling out of the
>> service station.
>>
>> He did a very very quick headcheck, saw there was cars behind me,
>> didn't see me, and attempted to gun it to beat the cars. He hit the
>> brakes hard when he heard a "HEY! Look!"
>>
> Kathy missed getting a picture of aforesaid steam train. You had better
> have a very good story about it all Tim or she is going to ask for your
> head on a plate. And you know I cant resist her

Even better. I've got photos and video. Chucka chucka chucka chucka!

Someone want buy me a xD (yeah, ick!) card bigger than 256MB?

But no disk space to upload it to. I was thinking of restoring an old
machine tonight, but I think I might run out of evening at some point.

If only I had more time, I'd join the Glen Waverley Hysterical
Society, and restore me some train. I didn't get to talk to one of
the persons on duty for long enough before he had to go off to do
person-on-duty kindof stuff.

--
TimC
There's only one way to better your memory. Everytime you forget
something, poke your brain with a stick. That'll teach it. -- Ash

 

[dave]

TimC wrote:
> On 2006-06-25, dave (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
>>TimC wrote:
>>
>>>On 2006-06-25, Kingsley (aka Bruce)
>>> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In my town, very rarely does anyone much more than pause
>>>>at an intersection, it's basically pull-out-and-pray.
>>>>Because it's such a low-traffic place (got our first
>>>>traffic light last year) these haven't been killed; yet.
>>>>
>>>>I've had exactly the same near miss, in the car, on the
>>>>bike in daylight, and at night. They don't see 'cause they
>>>>don't look. No amount of gear is going to fix this.
>>>
>>>
>>>On my way to Glen Waverley station this morning (yay! I rode a steam
>>>train for the first time in over a decade! Smells yummy!!), after
>>>coming down the 1:20, there was a guy who was pulling out of the
>>>service station.
>>>
>>>He did a very very quick headcheck, saw there was cars behind me,
>>>didn't see me, and attempted to gun it to beat the cars. He hit the
>>>brakes hard when he heard a "HEY! Look!"
>>>
>>
>>Kathy missed getting a picture of aforesaid steam train. You had better
>>have a very good story about it all Tim or she is going to ask for your
>>head on a plate. And you know I cant resist her
>
>
> Even better. I've got photos and video. Chucka chucka chucka chucka!
>
> Someone want buy me a xD (yeah, ick!) card bigger than 256MB?
>
> But no disk space to upload it to. I was thinking of restoring an old
> machine tonight, but I think I might run out of evening at some point.
>
> If only I had more time, I'd join the Glen Waverley Hysterical
> Society, and restore me some train. I didn't get to talk to one of
> the persons on duty for long enough before he had to go off to do
> person-on-duty kindof stuff.
>
Hmmmmth. Kathy wants. I mean really wants.

Come in to work tomorrow. Guve me a yell and we will burn it onto cd hey?


Dave