Storing sour cream upside down prevents spoilage?

Discussion in 'Food and nutrition' started by Abe, Mar 18, 2006.

  1. Abe

    Abe Guest

    Does storing plastic containers with sour cream or cottage cheese
    upside down in the fridge really make it last longer?
     
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  2. Abe wrote:
    > Does storing plastic containers with sour cream or cottage cheese
    > upside down in the fridge really make it last longer?


    that has been my experience (unopened, at least).

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  3. Abe wrote:
    > Does storing plastic containers with sour cream or cottage cheese
    > upside down in the fridge really make it last longer?


    What prompts you to ask this?

    Pastorio
     
  4. Abe

    Abe Guest

    >>Does storing plastic containers with sour cream or cottage cheese
    >>upside down in the fridge really make it last longer?

    >What prompts you to ask this?

    I heard it on a late night infomercial for a book of household hints.
    I was wondering if it's true or not.
     
  5. Lefty

    Lefty Guest

    I buy cottage cheese in half-gallon containers and store it upside down.
    Been doing it so long I forget the reason why, but it stays fresh for long
    periods without mold.
    Lefty
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    "Abe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Does storing plastic containers with sour cream or cottage cheese
    > upside down in the fridge really make it last longer?
     
  6. Abe wrote:

    >Does storing plastic containers with sour cream or cottage cheese
    >upside down in the fridge really make it last longer?
    >
    >

    How long are you trying to keep it for?

    Christine
     
  7. Abe

    Abe Guest

    >>Does storing plastic containers with sour cream or cottage cheese
    >>upside down in the fridge really make it last longer?

    >How long are you trying to keep it for?

    Supposedly makes it last a week or 2 longer.
     
  8. Dee Randall

    Dee Randall Guest

    "Abe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >>>Does storing plastic containers with sour cream or cottage cheese
    >>>upside down in the fridge really make it last longer?

    >>How long are you trying to keep it for?

    > Supposedly makes it last a week or 2 longer.


    Perhaps this is why ALL the sour cream at Costco is leaking down the sides
    and edges of the container. A while back a checker when checking out my
    sour cream or ricotta turned it upside down. I asked her why she did that;
    I really can't remember exactly what she said, but I didn't connect it with
    the messy containers. I've been refusing to buy their sour cream, but this
    week I noticed that they weren't messy. Perhaps the lids are on tighter, or
    someone doesn't know this secret. I've not heard of it before.
    Dee Dee
     
  9. Abe <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]
    4ax.com:

    > Does storing plastic containers with sour cream or cottage cheese
    > upside down in the fridge really make it last longer?


    From http://ww3.komotv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1454284
    How to make just about everything in the refrigerator stay fresh longer.
    After it is opened just store it upside down. I have tested this with
    Milk, Sour Cream, Dip, Applesauce, Jelly, Jam, Pickles, Peppers and more.
    If you can't store it upside down “milk for instance” store it on it’s
    side just make sure that the liquid covers the cap. When storing anything
    upside down try to make sure that the contents sink to the “Top” to
    create a “seal”. The reason this works is bacteria needs to “land” on
    food and needs air to grow. This method stops both.

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    The significant problems we face cannot be solved
    at the same level of thinking we were at when we
    created them. Albert Einstein
     
  10. On Sat 18 Mar 2006 09:59:32p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Charles
    Quinn?

    > Abe <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]
    > 4ax.com:
    >
    >> Does storing plastic containers with sour cream or cottage cheese
    >> upside down in the fridge really make it last longer?

    >
    > From http://ww3.komotv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1454284
    > How to make just about everything in the refrigerator stay fresh longer.
    > After it is opened just store it upside down. I have tested this with
    > Milk, Sour Cream, Dip, Applesauce, Jelly, Jam, Pickles, Peppers and more.
    > If you can't store it upside down “milk for instance” store it on it’s
    > side just make sure that the liquid covers the cap. When storing anything
    > upside down try to make sure that the contents sink to the “Top” to
    > create a “seal”. The reason this works is bacteria needs to “land” on
    > food and needs air to grow. This method stops both.
    >


    Not disputing this, but why doesn't a well-sealed container do the same?

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  11. Charles Quinn wrote:
    > Abe <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]
    > 4ax.com:
    >
    >>Does storing plastic containers with sour cream or cottage cheese
    >>upside down in the fridge really make it last longer?

    >
    > From http://ww3.komotv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1454284
    > How to make just about everything in the refrigerator stay fresh longer.
    > After it is opened just store it upside down. I have tested this with
    > Milk, Sour Cream, Dip, Applesauce, Jelly, Jam, Pickles, Peppers and more.
    > If you can't store it upside down “milk for instance” store it on it’s
    > side just make sure that the liquid covers the cap. When storing anything
    > upside down try to make sure that the contents sink to the “Top” to
    > create a “seal”. The reason this works is bacteria needs to “land” on
    > food and needs air to grow. This method stops both.


    Forgive me, but I think that's a silly rationale. A closed container
    already has a "seal." The closure.

    Once the container is open, bacteria have already gotten in. Before it's
    open, unless it's been deliberately processed to kill bacteria
    (pasteurized) it already has them in it. Milk will spoil without ever
    being opened.

    In every opened container, there's already air in it. In many
    still-closed containers, there's already air in it - that milk above
    isn't filled to the very top.

    I can't see any bacteriological reason to do this. I can't see any "air"
    reason to do this. If the container is closed tightly enough to not
    leak, getting contents to rest against the inside of that doesn't give a
    *more closed* closure.

    I'd need a lot better information that that quotation above to begin to
    credit it with any rationality. That web site has a lot of downright
    wrong information.

    "Bread: Put your bread in the fridge and it will keep fresh well past
    the date." It actually gets stale faster than if stored at room temp.
    The only reason to refrigerate bread is to postpone molding.

    "To keep champagne bubbly after opening and serving the first glass,
    place a spoon handle, or a fork handle, whichever fits into neck of
    bottle and your champagne will remain bubbly even until the next morning
    to serve at breakfast." Pure nonsense. The laws of physics don't change
    because there's a spoon nearby.

    "Lettuce: To keep a head of lettuce fresh, completely wrap it in a paper
    towel and put it in a zip lock bag. I have had lettuce last over a
    month!" And in a deliberate experiment I did with several heads of
    romaine lettuce, they all lasted several weeks except the one I left
    completely uncovered. The carefully wrapped ones lasted nearly as long
    as the ones I left in the Costco plastic bag I bought them in.

    "Potato Chips: If you have a bunch of potato chip bags open simply roll
    them up and throw them in the freezer. This will keep them fresh a lot
    longer." Somebody do that and tell me that they're "fresh."

    That site is twaddle of many a purest ray serene.

    Pastorio
     
  12. Bob Pastorio wrote:

    > I can't see any bacteriological reason to do this. I can't see any "air"
    > reason to do this. If the container is closed tightly enough to not leak,
    > getting contents to rest against the inside of that doesn't give a *more
    > closed* closure.


    The only *possible* rationale that I could come up with -- and I'm not
    claiming it's valid -- is that when you open a container of some semi-solid
    product, environmental pathogens are introduced to the exposed surface of
    the product. When you put the lid back on and turn it upside down, those
    pathogens (or most of them, anyway) are no longer exposed to the air inside
    the container. If they're aerobic, their growth will be slowed, at least.
    But of course there are plenty of nasty anaerobic bugs (botulism, for one),
    the whole argument completely falls apart if you're talking about something
    with low viscosity, and even if the product *is* semi-solid, there will
    still be bubbles containing air and those pathogens. Besides, as you
    mentioned, unless the package has been specially treated (e.g. UHT milk)
    there are already pathogens in the product.


    > That site is twaddle of many a purest ray serene.


    Well, thank goodness for THAT! The last thing we need around here is
    contaminated twaddle! :)

    Bob
     
  13. Dee Randall

    Dee Randall Guest

    "Charles Quinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Abe <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]
    > 4ax.com:
    >
    >> Does storing plastic containers with sour cream or cottage cheese
    >> upside down in the fridge really make it last longer?

    >
    > From http://ww3.komotv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1454284
    > How to make just about everything in the refrigerator stay fresh longer.
    > After it is opened just store it upside down. I have tested this with
    > Milk, Sour Cream, Dip, Applesauce, Jelly, Jam, Pickles, Peppers and more.
    > If you can't store it upside down "milk for instance" store it on it's
    > side just make sure that the liquid covers the cap. When storing anything
    > upside down try to make sure that the contents sink to the "Top" to
    > create a "seal". The reason this works is bacteria needs to "land" on
    > food and needs air to grow. This method stops both.
    >
    > --
    >
    > Charles
    > The significant problems we face cannot be solved
    > at the same level of thinking we were at when we
    > created them. Albert Einstein



    Thanks, Charles,

    Geez, I'm thinking maybe I should put these items that I always seem to have
    to use up at the ending date into my vacuum packing containers -- but would
    be a real PITA, I should add. The items I keep on hand and never seem to
    get used up before they go bad:

    heavy cream
    ricotta
    sour cream

    I have added 'vacuum' lids to the huge (Costco) jars of kalamata olives and
    I don't get the scum on them anymore (not that the scum will hurt you). I
    add the vacuum lid to jam also. Not that my jam ever went bad -- tee hee.
    I've added the vacuum lids to expensive tiny jars of chutneys, bruschetta's,
    that type of thing before, too.

    So -- you're saying that keeping the upside down keeps the air out from
    BETWEEN the jar lid and the product will do trick. I see.


    Re the hint:
    "Frozen Goods: Put an ice chest with some ice in your car the next time you
    go grocery shopping, and ask the bag boy to put all the cold & frozen items
    together in the bags, so you can fit them in the ice chest for the ride
    home, especially in hot weather. The food will keep much longer without
    having been subjected to the heat, even for a few minutes. Ed Jackson, AL"

    We always carry an ice check with ice blocks, no matter what the weather.
    Traveling all day even in cold weather, it makes a fortified container for
    soft goods and can be packed nicely with produce not to be smashed.

    Dee Dee
     
  14. Dee Randall

    Dee Randall Guest

    > --
    >
    > Charles
    > The significant problems we face cannot be solved
    > at the same level of thinking we were at when we
    > created them. Albert Einstein


    ***

    Here is a similar idea expressed

    The young specialist in English Lit, ...lectured me severely

    on the fact that in every century people have thought they understood

    the Universe at last, and in every century they were proved to be

    wrong. It follows that the one thing we can say about our modern

    "knowledge" is that it is wrong.



    ... My answer to him was, "... when people thought the Earth

    was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the Earth was spherical

    they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the Earth is spherical

    is just as wrong as thinking the Earth is flat, then your view is

    wronger than both of them put together."

    --Isaac Asimov,The Relativity of Wrong, Kensington Books, New

    York, 1996, p 226
     
  15. In article <[email protected]>,
    "Dee Randall" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > Charles
    > > The significant problems we face cannot be solved
    > > at the same level of thinking we were at when we
    > > created them. Albert Einstein

    >
    >
    > Thanks, Charles,
    >
    > Geez, I'm thinking maybe I should put these items that I always seem to have
    > to use up at the ending date into my vacuum packing containers -- but would
    > be a real PITA, I should add. The items I keep on hand and never seem to
    > get used up before they go bad:
    >
    > heavy cream
    > ricotta
    > sour cream


    Dee.

    Ricotta and heavy cream can both be frozen.

    I buy sour cream in 8 oz. containers......

    Cheers!
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    Peace, Om.

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  16. Lefty

    Lefty Guest

    I'll say "whoops" for you Dee :)

    I'm wondering about how the "earth as spherical theory" is seen as wrong. I
    guess I will get the book.
    Lefty
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    Life is for learning


    "Dee Randall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > > --
    > >
    > > Charles
    > > The significant problems we face cannot be solved
    > > at the same level of thinking we were at when we
    > > created them. Albert Einstein

    >
    > ***
    >
    > Here is a similar idea expressed
    >
    > The young specialist in English Lit, ...lectured me severely
    >
    > on the fact that in every century people have thought they understood
    >
    > the Universe at last, and in every century they were proved to be
    >
    > wrong. It follows that the one thing we can say about our modern
    >
    > "knowledge" is that it is wrong.
    >
    >
    >
    > ... My answer to him was, "... when people thought the Earth
    >
    > was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the Earth was spherical
    >
    > they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the Earth is spherical
    >
    > is just as wrong as thinking the Earth is flat, then your view is
    >
    > wronger than both of them put together."
    >
    > --Isaac Asimov,The Relativity of Wrong, Kensington Books, New
    >
    > York, 1996, p 226
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
     
  17. Lefty

    Lefty Guest

    Whoops for me, I read this thread from the bottom up.
    Lefty
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    "Dee Randall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > > --
    > >
    > > Charles
    > > The significant problems we face cannot be solved
    > > at the same level of thinking we were at when we
    > > created them. Albert Einstein

    >
    > ***
    >
    > Here is a similar idea expressed
    >
    > The young specialist in English Lit, ...lectured me severely
    >
    > on the fact that in every century people have thought they understood
    >
    > the Universe at last, and in every century they were proved to be
    >
    > wrong. It follows that the one thing we can say about our modern
    >
    > "knowledge" is that it is wrong.
    >
    >
    >
    > ... My answer to him was, "... when people thought the Earth
    >
    > was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the Earth was spherical
    >
    > they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the Earth is spherical
    >
    > is just as wrong as thinking the Earth is flat, then your view is
    >
    > wronger than both of them put together."
    >
    > --Isaac Asimov,The Relativity of Wrong, Kensington Books, New
    >
    > York, 1996, p 226
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
     
  18. hob

    hob Guest

    "Abe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Does storing plastic containers with sour cream or cottage cheese
    > upside down in the fridge really make it last longer?


    Seems kind of an odd question, since sour cream keeps in my refrig for
    several months.

    So I have to ask ---make it last longer than how long? Are you planning on
    storing it for 6-9 months or for several years?

    And is the criterion for lasting mold, or is it flavor? It definitely
    changes flavor after a couple years..... :)

    ---------

    The joke is "how can soured cream go any more bad ....."

    And another joke is
    "it goes bad bottom-side up, it's just that you can't see the mold on the
    bottom as yet."
     
  19. Nancy1

    Nancy1 Guest

    Abe wrote:
    > Does storing plastic containers with sour cream or cottage cheese
    > upside down in the fridge really make it last longer?


    Yes.

    Unopened, it doesn't make much difference - but once opened, it does
    make it last a lot longer. Make sure the container doesn't leak.

    N.
     
  20. Nancy1

    Nancy1 Guest

    Wayne Boatwright wrote:
    > On Sat 18 Mar 2006 09:59:32p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Charles
    > Quinn?
    >
    > > Abe <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]
    > > 4ax.com:
    > >
    > >> Does storing plastic containers with sour cream or cottage cheese
    > >> upside down in the fridge really make it last longer?

    > >
    > > From http://ww3.komotv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1454284
    > > How to make just about everything in the refrigerator stay fresh longer.
    > > After it is opened just store it upside down. I have tested this with
    > > Milk, Sour Cream, Dip, Applesauce, Jelly, Jam, Pickles, Peppers and more.
    > > If you can't store it upside down "milk for instance" store it on it's
    > > side just make sure that the liquid covers the cap. When storing anything
    > > upside down try to make sure that the contents sink to the "Top" to
    > > create a "seal". The reason this works is bacteria needs to "land" on
    > > food and needs air to grow. This method stops both.
    > >

    >
    > Not disputing this, but why doesn't a well-sealed container do the same?
    >
    > --
    > Wayne Boatwright o¿o
    > ____________________


    Something about the substance in the container being flush with the
    underside of the lid which makes no air space in which bacteria can
    grow - or something.

    I gave this hint millenia ago, multiple times, probably. ;-)

    N.
     
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