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"my backside has had twice as many hits as the young lovers. "

should you have appended IN PUBLIC?

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:09:06 +0100, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>

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John Laird said:

Personal preference, I suppose, but I am inclined to feel "stuck" when
climbing down facing inwards, when a lack of suitable toe-holds presents
itself. Slithering down a few feet on my backside doesn't seem anywhere
near as dangerous, although I suspect it is an illusion.

It depends what one is descending: there are quite a few things that are
safer one way than the other. Rule of thumb (but there will be
exceptions) is that the steeper it is the better off you are facing in.
Aside from your hands being a better way around to hold your weight,
rucksacks don't push you out from the rock.

If you get stuck when going down facing in it is generally pretty easy
to go back /up/ to where you were as climbing up is generally easier
than going down. This is not always the case facing out...

All true. I am, however, enough of a wuss to want to bugger off and find
another route down when it becomes so steep that "proper" climbing is
required. Like many others, I suspect, I find scrambling is only fun in one
direction.

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John Laird said:

All true. I am, however, enough of a wuss to want to bugger off and find
another route down when it becomes so steep that "proper" climbing is
required. Like many others, I suspect, I find scrambling is only fun in one
direction.

Indeed, but OTOH some scrambling routes can't really avoid the odd Nasty
Wee Bit which isn't terribly enjoyable Right There And Then but OTOH
doesn't really detract from the whole which is absolutely superb. The
Aonach Eagach in Glencoe being an obvious example, where the scramble
down from Am Bodach is something I could personally live without taken
on its own, but it hasn't stopped me going back several times.

And, like many of these things, the more you do the easier they get.

Pete.
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Quoted message said:

John Laird said:

All true. I am, however, enough of a wuss to want to bugger off and find
another route down when it becomes so steep that "proper" climbing is
required. Like many others, I suspect, I find scrambling is only fun in
one
direction.

Indeed, but OTOH some scrambling routes can't really avoid the odd Nasty
Wee Bit which isn't terribly enjoyable Right There And Then but OTOH
doesn't really detract from the whole which is absolutely superb. The
Aonach Eagach in Glencoe being an obvious example, where the scramble down
from Am Bodach is something I could personally live without taken on its
own, but it hasn't stopped me going back several times.

Have you done it west to east also ? IMO going up Am Bodach is no problem at
all.

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:17:36 +0100, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

John Laird said:

All true. I am, however, enough of a wuss to want to bugger off and find
another route down when it becomes so steep that "proper" climbing is
required. Like many others, I suspect, I find scrambling is only fun in one
direction.

Indeed, but OTOH some scrambling routes can't really avoid the odd Nasty
Wee Bit which isn't terribly enjoyable Right There And Then but OTOH
doesn't really detract from the whole which is absolutely superb. The
Aonach Eagach in Glencoe being an obvious example, where the scramble
down from Am Bodach is something I could personally live without taken
on its own, but it hasn't stopped me going back several times.

You know, if I ever get around to walking in Scotland, I must seek advice
here on pronunciation. All those vowels and "ch"s and "urr"s pass me by -
and I'm 100% Scottish !

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And, like many of these things, the more you do the easier they get.

A bit like sex, then. I only ventured onto scree for the first time, a few
weeks ago. Yes, it's frowned upon, but there really wasn't any easy way
down and now I know it's something I could tackle again. One of my
companions was also new to it, and he was due to take his ML assessment the
next week. (He passed, and as it turned out they had to tackle some scree
during the 5 days.)

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theo said:

Have you done it west to east also ? IMO going up Am Bodach is no problem at
all.

Circumstances of logistics have always dictated the other way so far:
really ought to do it the other way just to be different.

Of course there will be a couple of bits which are more festive W->E, I
would think! ;-)

Pete.
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Dominic Sexton <[email hidden]> writes

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In article <[email hidden]>, Judith
<[email hidden]> writes

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Judith said:

>The answer Judith, is no.

(I can't actually figure out the question ...... but "no" seems a
reasonable answer.)

Oh hang on....... I think I might know what the question is.

I shall take that as a compliment!

That's the one, I expect ;-)

Doesn't look big in that at all......
--
Gordon Harris

John Laird said:

You know, if I ever get around to walking in Scotland, I must seek advice
here on pronunciation. All those vowels and "ch"s and "urr"s pass me by -
and I'm 100% Scottish !

the "ch" is just like a Dutch "g"... ;-)

Quoted message said:

A bit like sex, then. I only ventured onto scree for the first time, a few
weeks ago. Yes, it's frowned upon

Is it? Sometimes it's the best way down if it's a runnable one. Highly
variable stuff, scree, can be glorious fun, a PITA (sometimes literally)
and everything in between.

Quoted message said:

down and now I know it's something I could tackle again. One of my
companions was also new to it, and he was due to take his ML assessment the
next week. (He passed, and as it turned out they had to tackle some scree
during the 5 days.)

I'm amazed you can get the relevant experience to get an ML while
entirely avoiding scree!

Pete.
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In message <[email hidden]>, Peter Clinch
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

theo said:

Have you done it west to east also ? IMO going up Am Bodach is no
problem at all.

Circumstances of logistics have always dictated the other way so far:
really ought to do it the other way just to be different.

Of course there will be a couple of bits which are more festive W->E, I
would think! ;-)

I've done it both directions and I reckon W-E is easiest. Ascending Am
Bodach is much easier this way.

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:09:44 +0100, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

John Laird said:

down and now I know it's something I could tackle again. One of my
companions was also new to it, and he was due to take his ML assessment the
next week. (He passed, and as it turned out they had to tackle some scree
during the 5 days.)

I'm amazed you can get the relevant experience to get an ML while
entirely avoiding scree!

Hence our day out in Ennerdale.

To answer your earlier question: yes, I believe scree-running is officially
frowned upon. It's fairly erosive, and of course if there is some sort of
(moderately safe) path running across, that could be rendered dangerous for
others by being covered over with fresh, loose stuff.

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In article <[email hidden]>, Dominic Sexton
<[email hidden]> writes

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In article <[email hidden]>, Judith
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Judith said:

>The answer Judith, is no.

(I can't actually figure out the question ...... but "no" seems a
reasonable answer.)

Oh hang on....... I think I might know what the question is.

I shall take that as a compliment!

That's the one, I expect ;-)

That's the one Judith - I recognised you instantly :-)
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

W. D. Grey said:

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That's the one, I expect ;-)

That's the one Judith - I recognised you instantly :-)

You lot are horrible to me!

Judith

John Laird said:

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And, like many of these things, the more you do the easier they get.

A bit like sex, then.

Really?

Judith

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And, like many of these things, the more you do the easier they get.

A bit like sex, then.

Really?

Judith

Yes, it's a proven fact.

Ian.

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Ian Dainty said:

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Quoted message said:

>And, like many of these things, the more you do the easier they get.

A bit like sex, then.

Really?

Judith

Yes, it's a proven fact.

TR?

Judith said:

John Laird said:

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And, like many of these things, the more you do the easier they get.

A bit like sex, then.

Really?

Allegedly.

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:03:50 +0100, Judith
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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>>And, like many of these things, the more you do the easier they get.
>
>A bit like sex, then.

Really?

Judith

Yes, it's a proven fact.

TR?

Uh... no thanks!

<fx: shudder!>

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Quoted message said:

I only ventured onto scree for the first time, a few

Quoted message said:

weeks ago. Yes, it's frowned upon

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Is it? Sometimes it's the best way down if it's a runnable one. Highly
variable stuff, scree, can be glorious fun, a PITA (sometimes literally)
and everything in between.

Scree running is allegedly frowned upon by those who would have us do
things their way but as there doesn't appear to be any worthwhile
runnable scree left in the Lake District it is a bit of a dead letter.

I sometimes wonder when I see other walkers deliberately avoiding the
little patches of loose scree that do appear on some paths whether there
has been a wholesale brainwashing campaign on the subject that didn't
get past my prejudices.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 34 summits
New - 15 (Marilyns 4, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 19 (Marilyns 5, Sweats 10, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

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Quoted message said:

John Laird said:

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And, like many of these things, the more you do the easier they get.

A bit like sex, then.

Really?

Judith

Sex is like hillwalking. Most men want to get on top :-)
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:11:22 +0200, "theo" <[email hidden]>

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And, like many of these things, the more you do the easier they get.

A bit like sex, then.

Really?

Judith

Sex is like hillwalking. Most men want to get on top :-)

I was going to post a witty reply .... but then I went all shy and
blushed and decided not to.

Judith