Stripped BB shell threads - options?

Kyle.B.H. said:

David Damerell wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Can you change your vile quoting style?

Wait a second. Did Damnitall actually criticize YOUR posting format?!?
This from a person who's deliberately excluding about 80-90% of the people
who read newsgroups by making his turdlets "invisible" to Outlook users.

Isn't that like giving a speech in a stadium full of people, but not using a
microphone so only a few hundred can hear it?

What a hypocrite.
--
BS (no, really)

begin quoting Kyle.B.H. <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Question for ya... The threads on one side of my shell are still good -
will installing the YST BB ruin the existing threads?

I shoudn't think so. It only engages with the lip of the shell. Anyway, a
shell with threads on one side is not very useful.

I can't see how it would damage them.

Quoted message said:

Also, how heavy are you and how hard do you ride? I'm 175 and I pedal
low gears, so maybe I'll get better life out of it.

I weigh about 13 stone (c. 180 pounds) and normally pedal between 70 and
100 rpm, but most of my riding is in gently rolling country.
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> Kill the tomato!

quoting Bill Sornson <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Kyle.B.H. said:

David Damerell said:

Can you change your vile quoting style?

Wait a second. Did Damnitall actually criticize YOUR posting format?!?

No, I criticised "[email hidden]"'s posting format.

Quoted message said:

This from a person who's deliberately excluding about 80-90% of the people
who read newsgroups by making his turdlets "invisible" to Outlook users.

Not nearly that proportion of people use OE, I'm glad to report. Otherwise
Usenet would have become quite impossible.

The difference is that his format is wrong. There's nothing wrong with
mine; the bug is in your crappy newsreader.
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> Kill the tomato!

David Damerell said:

quoting Bill Sornson <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Kyle.B.H. said:

David Damerell wrote:
> Can you change your vile quoting style?

Wait a second. Did Damnitall actually criticize YOUR posting
format?!?

No, I criticised "[email hidden]"'s posting format.

Ah. Since I can't see your original posts (except this time), no way to
tell. (Now that I go back and read Kyle.B.H.'s entry, I can /sort of/ see
what you were addressing.)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This from a person who's deliberately excluding about 80-90% of the
people who read newsgroups by making his turdlets "invisible" to
Outlook users.

Not nearly that proportion of people use OE, I'm glad to report.
Otherwise Usenet would have become quite impossible.

The difference is that his format is wrong. There's nothing wrong with
mine; the bug is in your crappy newsreader.

I still maintain that the vast majority of people use OE -- after all it
comes standard on the vast majority of machines nowadays -- and it works
perfectly for 99.99% of the posts *I* read, at least. (Sensible threading,
easy formatting, etc. Granted I *am* using OE w/Quote Fix. Now if THAT is
why your posts are being stripped, then I take it all back.) The fact that
you are deliberately using a trick to make OE see your posts as attachments
doesn't make the newsreader crappy; it simply means you're a self-defeating
curmudgeon (or something 🙂 ).

It's kind of like someone speaking Swahili at the U.N., but refusing to
allow interpreters. A few will hear the message; most will simply tune it
out.

Carry on,
--
BS (no, really)

quoting Bill Sornson <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

David Damerell said:

quoting Bill Sornson <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Wait a second. Did Damnitall actually criticize YOUR posting
format?!?

No, I criticised "[email hidden]"'s posting format.

Ah. Since I can't see your original posts (except this time), no way to
tell.

Except by chasing up the thread tree after observing that Kyle doesn't
have excreable quoting.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Not nearly that proportion of people use OE, I'm glad to report.
Otherwise Usenet would have become quite impossible.

I still maintain that the vast majority of people use OE

Well, you're wrong, at least for posting. We don't know what lurkers use,
clearly.

This is not a matter of opinion, since OE leaves a clear footprint in the
headers of every article it generates.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The difference is that his format is wrong. There's nothing wrong with
mine; the bug is in your crappy newsreader.

why your posts are being stripped, then I take it all back.) The fact that
you are deliberately using a trick to make OE see your posts as attachments
doesn't make the newsreader crappy;

No. The fact that OE interprets a line starting "begin" followed by 2
spaces as an attachment makes the newsreader crappy.

Quoted message said:

It's kind of like someone speaking Swahili at the U.N., but refusing to
allow interpreters.

Not in the least. The situation I'm in is like someone who speaks English,
but is confounded by the fact that some people insist on using
interpreters who faint every time they hear the word "frog". After a
while, one might start saying "frog" just for the hell of it, especially
if these interpreters are otherwise incompetent (which corresponds to the
stream of atrociously mangled articles from OE.)
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!
Today is Second Teleute, January.

Bill Sornson said:

Ah. Since I can't see your original posts (except this time), no way

to

Quoted message said:

tell.

Since he has taken such great pains to see to it that some certain
"untermenschen" do not receive his "pearls of wisdom", I have a
suggestion:

The postings' contents, as shown under OE, are exactly as worthwhile as
those shown in a different newsreader.

HAND,

E.P.

David Damerell said:

quoting Bill Sornson <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

David Damerell said:

quoting Bill Sornson <[email hidden]>:
> Wait a second. Did Damnitall actually criticize YOUR posting
> format?!?
No, I criticised "[email hidden]"'s posting format.

Ah. Since I can't see your original posts (except this time), no
way to tell.

Except by chasing up the thread tree after observing that Kyle doesn't
have excreable quoting.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Not nearly that proportion of people use OE, I'm glad to report.
Otherwise Usenet would have become quite impossible.

I still maintain that the vast majority of people use OE

Well, you're wrong, at least for posting. We don't know what lurkers
use, clearly.

This is not a matter of opinion, since OE leaves a clear footprint in
the headers of every article it generates.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The difference is that his format is wrong. There's nothing wrong
with mine; the bug is in your crappy newsreader.

why your posts are being stripped, then I take it all back.) The
fact that you are deliberately using a trick to make OE see your
posts as attachments doesn't make the newsreader crappy;

No. The fact that OE interprets a line starting "begin" followed by 2
spaces as an attachment makes the newsreader crappy.

But no one /naturally/ posts like that! The fact that you found some
anomaly that prevents what you write from being seen by...LOTS of readers
proves exactly nothing.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's kind of like someone speaking Swahili at the U.N., but refusing
to allow interpreters.

Not in the least. The situation I'm in is like someone who speaks
English, but is confounded by the fact that some people insist on
using interpreters who faint every time they hear the word "frog".
After a while, one might start saying "frog" just for the hell of it,
especially if these interpreters are otherwise incompetent (which
corresponds to the stream of atrociously mangled articles from OE.)

Umm, look at YOUR post (the one to which I'm replying); it's pretty mangled
itself!

Bowing out now, Gates Puppet Bill

Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson said:

Ah. Since I can't see your original posts (except this time), no
way to tell.

Since he has taken such great pains to see to it that some certain
"untermenschen" do not receive his "pearls of wisdom", I have a
suggestion:

The postings' contents, as shown under OE, are exactly as worthwhile
as those shown in a different newsreader.

I was gonna shoot him a big ol' wet raspberry, but your flame wins on style
points alone.

Humbled Bill

On 11 Jan 2005 18:02:39 +0000 (GMT), David Damerell
<[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

No. The fact that OE interprets a line starting "begin" followed by 2
spaces as an attachment makes the newsreader crappy.

De@r D@vid,

The world bre@thlessly aw@its your expl@ntion of when
"begin" followed by two sp@ces is a sign of anything but
cr@ppy typing?

Who uses two tr@iling sp@ces after a word?

Even the two-sp@ces-after-a-period typing convention h@s
become little more th@n a method of identifying those who
are old enough to h@ve used typewriters.

I he@r th@t m@ny newsre@ders cruelly insist on doing str@nge
things when they see a cert@in sign with no le@ding sp@ce.
True, the sign is not misused except by sl@ves of inst@nt
mess@ging, but the d@nger is cle@r and present.

Join me in exposing this hideous st@te of aff@irs! After
all, it h@s spre@d f@r beyond Microsoft's progr@ms.

C@rl Fogel

Quoted message said:

On 11 Jan 2005 18:02:39 +0000 (GMT), David Damerell
<[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

No. The fact that OE interprets a line starting "begin" followed by 2
spaces as an attachment makes the newsreader crappy.

De@r D@vid,

The world bre@thlessly aw@its your expl@ntion of when
"begin" followed by two sp@ces is a sign of anything but
cr@ppy typing?

Who uses two tr@iling sp@ces after a word?

Even the two-sp@ces-after-a-period typing convention h@s
become little more th@n a method of identifying those who
are old enough to h@ve used typewriters.

I he@r th@t m@ny newsre@ders cruelly insist on doing str@nge
things when they see a cert@in sign with no le@ding sp@ce.
True, the sign is not misused except by sl@ves of inst@nt
mess@ging, but the d@nger is cle@r and present.

Join me in exposing this hideous st@te of aff@irs! After
all, it h@s spre@d f@r beyond Microsoft's progr@ms.

C@rl Fogel

Dear Carl,

*EVERY SINGLE LINK* you just referenced is either dead or not available.
(Although that breathlessly.com one has potential.)

What's up with THAT?!?

Surfer Bill

Dear David
Thank you for your answer.
I would be happy to change my vile quoting style if I had any idea what
to change it to or from. Would you please show me a stlye that meets
your approval, & at least I'd have something to shoot for. Also what is
it that makes my style so vile?
John

Quoted message said:

Dear David
Thank you for your answer.
I would be happy to change my vile quoting style if I had any idea
what to change it to or from. Would you please show me a stlye that
meets your approval, & at least I'd have something to shoot for. Also
what is it that makes my style so vile?

Well, for starters you might try quoting /at all/ before working on quoting
/style/.

Just a thought.
--
BS (no, really)

Actually I consider myself very lucky if I manage to make a reply
before one of the following happen:
My computer crashes.
The connection is interupted.
I'm beseaged my numerious pop ups that freeze or crash the computer.
I'm not interupted to do some real life thing.
Google fails to take the post.
That I don't omit words.
That Word works for spell checking & the post makes it back to Google
intact.
That Word hasn't put wierd [censored] into the post like putting something
else in for ('😉 commas.
I could explain in accurate detail how a car works before I was 12 yrs.
But computers baffele me.
I love this NG reading & posting. But It's a [censored] getting the computer
to cooperate w/ my limited writing skills, ADD. & dyslexia.
John

Bill Sornson said:

Quoted message said:

On 11 Jan 2005 18:02:39 +0000 (GMT), David Damerell
<[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

No. The fact that OE interprets a line starting "begin" followed by 2
spaces as an attachment makes the newsreader crappy.

De@r D@vid,

The world bre@thlessly aw@its your expl@ntion of when
"begin" followed by two sp@ces is a sign of anything but
cr@ppy typing?

Who uses two tr@iling sp@ces after a word?

Even the two-sp@ces-after-a-period typing convention h@s
become little more th@n a method of identifying those who
are old enough to h@ve used typewriters.

I he@r th@t m@ny newsre@ders cruelly insist on doing str@nge
things when they see a cert@in sign with no le@ding sp@ce.
True, the sign is not misused except by sl@ves of inst@nt
mess@ging, but the d@nger is cle@r and present.

Join me in exposing this hideous st@te of aff@irs! After
all, it h@s spre@d f@r beyond Microsoft's progr@ms.

C@rl Fogel

Dear Carl,

*EVERY SINGLE LINK* you just referenced is either dead or not available.
(Although that breathlessly.com one has potential.)

What's up with THAT?!?

Surfer Bill

De@r Bill,

Th@t must be the f@ault of your oper@ting system. Stop
trying to bl@me everyone else. You don't see D@vid D@merell
compl@ining th@t everyone else is mist@ken, do you?

If you switch to CP/M, the problem will be fixed.

C@rl Fogel

Quoted message said:

Dear David
Thank you for your answer.
I would be happy to change my vile quoting style if I had any idea what
to change it to or from. Would you please show me a stlye that meets
your approval, & at least I'd have something to shoot for. Also what is
it that makes my style so vile?

Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings
http://www.xs4all.nl/%7ewijnands/nnq/nquote.html

The advantages of usenet's quoting conventions
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/g.mccaughan/g/remarks/uquote.html

Larry Coon
University of California

On 11 Jan 2005 16:23:38 -0800, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Actually I consider myself very lucky if I manage to make a reply
before one of the following happen:
My computer crashes.
The connection is interupted.
I'm beseaged my numerious pop ups that freeze or crash the computer.
I'm not interupted to do some real life thing.
Google fails to take the post.
That I don't omit words.
That Word works for spell checking & the post makes it back to Google
intact.
That Word hasn't put wierd [censored] into the post like putting something
else in for ('😉 commas.
I could explain in accurate detail how a car works before I was 12 yrs.
But computers baffele me.
I love this NG reading & posting. But It's a [censored] getting the computer
to cooperate w/ my limited writing skills, ADD. & dyslexia.
John

Dear John,

David was being snotty because you put his golden prose
within actual quotation marks and--dear God!--failed to add
his name. David is deeply concerned that the rest of us may
not meet his standards.

Normally, newsreaders like google groups and forte free
agent and others will automatically mark the text from the
previous posts with increasing numbers of leading
greaten-than signs. Given how many people may be involved in
a thread, quotation marks are not really adequate.

If you're using Windows and your computer is freezing and
crashing with popups, I suggest that you go to
www.majorgeeks.com, click on the spyware-tools section near
the bottom of the left-hand menu, download the free programs
spybot and spywareblaster, and run them. If you have no
firewall, you can download the free zone labs zonealarm
program from the firewall section of the same site.

If you're on a dialup phone connection instead of dsl or
cable, this will take long enough to show why broadband is
becoming a necessity rather than a luxury.

Good luck,

Carl Fogel

Bill Sornson said:

David Damerell said:

The difference is that his format is wrong. There's nothing wrong with
mine; the bug is in your crappy newsreader.

I still maintain that the vast majority of people use OE -- after all it
comes standard on the vast majority of machines nowadays -- and it works
perfectly for 99.99% of the posts *I* read, at least. (Sensible threading,
easy formatting, etc. Granted I *am* using OE w/Quote Fix. Now if THAT is
why your posts are being stripped, then I take it all back.) The fact that
you are deliberately using a trick to make OE see your posts as attachments
doesn't make the newsreader crappy; it simply means you're a self-defeating
curmudgeon (or something 🙂 ).

Bill,

Have you written Microsoft to file a bug report? That's clearly what
needs to happen here. David, for whatever reason, has a legal quoting
style that your OE won't easily read. It's a bug in the product
you're using. You, as the user, should complain to your vendor to get
that product fixed.

Good luck with the borg.

Pat

Email address works as is.

Patrick Lamb said:

Bill Sornson said:

David Damerell said:

The difference is that his format is wrong. There's nothing wrong
with mine; the bug is in your crappy newsreader.

I still maintain that the vast majority of people use OE -- after
all it comes standard on the vast majority of machines nowadays --
and it works perfectly for 99.99% of the posts *I* read, at least.
(Sensible threading, easy formatting, etc. Granted I *am* using OE
w/Quote Fix. Now if THAT is why your posts are being stripped, then
I take it all back.) The fact that you are deliberately using a
trick to make OE see your posts as attachments doesn't make the
newsreader crappy; it simply means you're a self-defeating
curmudgeon (or something 🙂 ).

Bill,

Have you written Microsoft to file a bug report? That's clearly what
needs to happen here. David, for whatever reason, has a legal quoting
style that your OE won't easily read. It's a bug in the product
you're using. You, as the user, should complain to your vendor to get
that product fixed.

A "legal posting style"??? If there were numerous people whose entries I
couldn't access, then perhaps I'd be bothered. As it is, Mr. DamnItAll is
the sole queer duck.

(Indeed, the only reason I entered this thread was because HE apparently
found someone ELSE's quoting style "vile", which I found more than a bit
ironic.)

I can see it now: "Hello, Mr. Softie? I'm a cyclist, and there's this one
guy in a newsgroup..." I'm sure they'd snap to in a jif!

I'll take it under advisement, Patrick 🙂
--
BS (no, really)

[email hidden] wrote (content removed...or "snipped" if you will
{read on}):

Quoted message said:

Th@t must be the f@ault of your oper@ting system. Stop
trying to bl@me everyone else. You don't see D@vid D@merell
compl@ining th@t everyone else is mist@ken, do you?

There's a thread about vasectomies right now in .misc; I think David should
post there!

{Really? Why?}

BECAUSE HE'S SHOOTING BLANKS!!!

I'll be here all week...
--
BS (no, really)

quoting Bill Sornson <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

David Damerell said:

No. The fact that OE interprets a line starting "begin" followed by 2
spaces as an attachment makes the newsreader crappy.

But no one /naturally/ posts like that!

Oh, well, that's all right then, isn't it? Why should anyone go to the
work of handling any wellformed article - like non-crappy newsreaders do -
when we can just confine ourselves to the things we think people probably
will post? That'd be a lot less work!

Remember that this problem is merely the most obvious symptom of the
numerous bugs Microsoft have introduced by this idiotic attempt to infer
document types by wild guesses about their contents.

Quoted message said:

Umm, look at YOUR post (the one to which I'm replying); it's pretty mangled
itself!

No, it isn't. It's a perfectly normal piece of interspersed quoting
(unlike your exercise in quoting the whole article unedited, which used to
be the common bad quoting format before top-posting). What do you suppose
is wrong with it?
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!
Today is Second Teleute, January.