Stronglight Modele Depose Crankset

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  1. Bantae

    Bantae Guest

    I have a Stronglight Modele Depose Crankset that I am trying to find out some information about.
    They came off of a old Gitane. The markings around the square taper hole are "Made in France"
    and "Modele Depose" The other markings are 170 which is obviously the length and 14 x 125 which
    I am guessing has something to do with the bolt pattern. The pedal threading appears to be
    French and not 9/16.

    I can provide pictures but I don't know how to post them to a web page.

    Any info you can provide would be great.

    Thanks

    Eric Banta

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  2. Russell Yim

    Russell Yim Guest

    >The other markings are 170 which is obviously the length and 14 x 125 which I am guessing has
    >something to do with the bolt pattern. The pedal threading appears to be French

    The other marking is the pedal size: 14 x 1.25mm, which is indeed French threading.

    Russell
     
  3. Kinkycowboy

    Kinkycowboy Guest

    On 22 Feb 2003 15:21:12 -0800, [email protected] (BantaE) wrote:

    >I have a Stronglight Modele Depose Crankset that I am trying to find out some information about.
    >They came off of a old Gitane. The markings around the square taper hole are "Made in France" and
    >"Modele Depose" The other markings are 170 which is obviously the length and 14 x 125 which I am
    >guessing has something to do with the bolt pattern. The pedal threading appears to be French and
    >not 9/16.
    >
    >I can provide pictures but I don't know how to post them to a web page.
    >
    >Any info you can provide would be great.
    >
    >Thanks
    >
    >Eric Banta
    >
    >Switch from aol.com to adelphia.net to reply.

    "Modele depose" is just French for "registered design". In olden days, Stronglight basically made
    three main patterns of cranks, a TA Cyclotouriste type, a Campag 144mm BCD (smallest ring is 42T)
    compatible road race and a model with a smaller BCD of 86mm (smallest ring is 28T) for touring. The
    latter were made in various models, the most common being Model 99.

    Kinky Cowboy

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  4. A Muzi

    A Muzi Guest

    "BantaE" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > I have a Stronglight Modele Depose Crankset that I am trying to find out some information about.
    > They came off of a old Gitane. The markings around the square taper hole are "Made in France" and
    > "Modele Depose" The other markings are 170 which is obviously the length and 14 x 125 which I am
    > guessing has something to do with the bolt pattern. The pedal threading appears to be French and
    > not 9/16.
    >
    > I can provide pictures but I don't know how to post them to a web page.
    >
    > Any info you can provide would be great.

    Modele Depose is just the equivalent of "patented"

    170 is the length as you surmised.

    Your Stronglight crank might be a type 49D which interchanges rings (in pairs only ) with TA classic
    Cyclotouriste and Criterium models. Type 49D have the name "stronglight" in a pretty starburst in
    the middle of the arm and a five-bolt interface right at the base of the arm,50mm diameter .

    It is more likely a type 93 which was the standard French competition crank of the seventies
    (smallest ring 38t). The arm is quite "square-ish" with a straight line down the side from end to
    end. The name is small at the spindle end across the arm, not lengthwise. There were also later
    models (105, 106) which interchange to Campagnolo Nuovo Record chainrings. Those generally are
    waisted like a Nuovo Record arm. The sensible Stronglight 99 with its 86mm diameter was never very
    popular on new bicycles but it's a possibility. Write with some better description.

    The 14x1.25 marking is for a French dimension pedal thread. If you tap them larger to ISO British (
    only a scant 0.013 inches) it's nice to mark the crank for the next guy who works on the bike ( as
    you stamp oversized cyliders).

    It is also likely the crank remover is larger than today's 22mm standard. The removing tool is
    available. A 16mm crank bolt would indicate the older extractor thread, later 22mm models shipped
    with 14mm bolts.

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  5. Dax

    Dax Guest

    [email protected] (BantaE) wrote in message
    > markings around the square taper hole are "Made in France" and "Modele Depose" The other markings
    > are 170 which is obviously the length and 14 x 125 which I am guessing has something to do with
    > the bolt pattern. The pedal threading appears to be French and not 9/16.
    >
    > Eric Banta
    >
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    modèle deposé = patented
     
  6. Bantae

    Bantae Guest

    "A Muzi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >
    > Modele Depose is just the equivalent of "patented"

    That would explain why I found nothing when I searched for that as a model name.

    > It is more likely a type 93 which was the standard French competition crank of the seventies
    > (smallest ring 38t). The arm is quite "square-ish" with a straight line down the side from end to
    > end. The name is small at the spindle end across the arm, not lengthwise. There were also later
    > models (105, 106) which interchange to Campagnolo Nuovo Record chainrings. Those generally are
    > waisted like a Nuovo Record arm. The sensible Stronglight 99 with its 86mm diameter was never very
    > popular on new bicycles but it's a possibility. Write with some better description.

    I found some pics online (ebay) of the cranks. It sounds from you description that they ar
    the type 93.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2709039222&category=7298

    > The 14x1.25 marking is for a French dimension pedal thread. If you tap them larger to ISO British
    > ( only a scant 0.013 inches) it's nice to mark the crank for the next guy who works on the bike (
    > as you stamp oversized cyliders).

    Is taping it out to 9/16 considered an easy or dificult job. I found a shop that said they have the
    taps to do it.

    Thanks for the help

    Eric Banta

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  7. A Muzi

    A Muzi Guest

    > "A Muzi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >
    > > Modele Depose is just the equivalent of "patented"
    >

    "BantaE" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > That would explain why I found nothing when I searched for that as a model name.
    >
    "am"> > It is more likely a type 93 which was the standard French competition crank
    > > of the seventies (smallest ring 38t). The arm is quite "square-ish"
    with a
    > > straight line down the side from end to end. The name is small at the spindle end across the
    > > arm, not lengthwise. There were also later
    models
    > > (105, 106) which interchange to Campagnolo Nuovo Record chainrings.
    Those
    > > generally are waisted like a Nuovo Record arm. The sensible Stronglight
    99
    > > with its 86mm diameter was never very popular on new bicycles but it's a possibility. Write with
    > > some better description.

    "be"> I found some pics online (ebay) of the cranks. It sounds from you
    > description that they ar the type 93.
    >
    >
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2709039222&category=7298
    >
    >
    > > The 14x1.25 marking is for a French dimension pedal thread. If you tap
    them
    > > larger to ISO British ( only a scant 0.013 inches) it's nice to mark the crank for the next guy
    > > who works on the bike ( as you stamp oversized cyliders).
    >
    > Is taping it out to 9/16 considered an easy or dificult job. I found a shop that said they have
    > the taps to do it.

    oui! ( or is it <<zut!>> ?) that's a type 93 Stronglight . Nice product, IMHO in that it is light,
    pretty and takes a 38!

    You'll need 23.35mm* Stronglight puller. _Do not_ use a TA crank remover** in it, Park
    notwithstanding***

    Tapping 9/16" to 14mm is simple. You are really only removing a small whisp of material. I didn't
    pull the 0.013 inches out of the air. I looked it up.

    * I looked that up, too - I knew it was bigger but what were they smoking?
    23.35mm?? **TA is 23mm. *** Park once made a tool advertised as suitable for 23mm and 23.35mm cranks
    on the same thread. Maybe someone _else's_ cranks. . .

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    Andrew Muzi http://www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April 1971
     
  8. Bantae

    Bantae Guest

    "A Muzi" <[email protected]> wrote in message

    > oui! ( or is it <<zut!>> ?) that's a type 93 Stronglight . Nice product, IMHO in that it is light,
    > pretty and takes a 38!

    By "takes a 38" am I correct in assuming you mean a 38t chainring? I would have to agree with you
    that it is pretty, and when you consider I rescued it from the dump it makes it even sweeter. I
    can't wait to get it on my first fixed gear bike that has been my winter project.

    > You'll need 23.35mm* Stronglight puller. _Do not_ use a TA crank remover** in it, Park
    > notwithstanding***

    I used one of my Park pullers on it I don't know the model off the top of my head (and would have to
    move the truck and 4 bikes to get to it) but it is one with a reversable head.

    > Tapping 9/16" to 14mm is simple. You are really only removing a small whisp of material. I didn't
    > pull the 0.013 inches out of the air. I looked it up.

    Am I trying to go "to 9/16" or "to 14mm" to use current pedals?

    Again thanks for all your help Andrew.

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  9. A Muzi

    A Muzi Guest

    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > oui! ( or is it <<zut!>> ?) that's a type 93 Stronglight . Nice
    product,
    > > IMHO in that it is light, pretty and takes a 38!

    "BantaE" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > By "takes a 38" am I correct in assuming you mean a 38t chainring? I would have to agree with you
    > that it is pretty, and when you consider I rescued it from the dump it makes it even sweeter. I
    > can't wait to get it on my first fixed gear bike that has been my winter project.

    Yes 38t is the smallest possible ring for a 93.

    "am"> > You'll need 23.35mm* Stronglight puller. _Do not_ use a TA crank remover**
    > > in it, Park notwithstanding***

    "eb"> I used one of my Park pullers on it I don't know the model off the top
    > of my head (and would have to move the truck and 4 bikes to get to it) but it is one with a
    > reversable head.

    Glad that worked out OK. Is isn't a great fit IMHO.

    "am"> > Tapping 9/16" to 14mm is simple. You are really only removing a small
    > > whisp of material. I didn't pull the 0.013 inches out of the air. I
    looked
    > > it up.

    "eb"> Am I trying to go "to 9/16" or "to 14mm" to use current pedals?

    The earlier French standard 14mm is slightly smaller. Tapping to the ISO standard 9/16" is trivially
    simple and quick. Do make a notation on the crank that it is _not_ 14x1.25 any longer.

    --
    Andrew Muzi http://www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April 1971
     
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