Suggestions for 6V lighting head



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Kevin Elphinsto

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Hi All,

I unfortunately mananged to lose the lighting head to a niterider setup I bought in the US 3 years
ago. I'm left with a nice, high capacity NiCd battery pack, plus tail light.

I'm look for options for something to replace the missing headlight . It was 15W halogen, but I'm
only commuting these days, so any wattage would probably suffice.

I am considering a lumotec head, which seems to be 6V (only 2.4 W, which would run for days :)). I
can't seem to find out if vistalite are 6V systems (and whether they will sell lighting heads
without the full "kit").

Does anybody have any suggestions? Maybe a source for 6V MR11s or MR16s so I could do a complete
home brew replacement?

cheers

- Kevin
 
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Bruce

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Kevin Elphinstone wrote:

> Does anybody have any suggestions? Maybe a source for 6V MR11s or MR16s so I could do a complete
> home brew replacement?

Look in your local yellow-pages for a specialist lamp supplier.
 
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Chuan Chew

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In article <[email protected]>, "Kevin Elphinstone"
<[email protected]> wrote:

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> I can't seem to find out if vistalite are 6V systems

5.5V globes overvolted. So your 6V battery will be perfect.

> (and whether they will sell lighting heads without the full "kit").

Yes, they do. 5W, 10W or 15W, with a nice built-in handlebar clamp.

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Alan Erskine

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"Kevin Elphinstone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi All,
>
> I unfortunately mananged to lose the lighting head to a niterider setup I bought in the US 3 years
> ago. I'm left with a nice, high capacity NiCd battery pack, plus tail light.
>
> I'm look for options for something to replace the missing headlight . It
was
> 15W halogen, but I'm only commuting these days, so any wattage would probably suffice.
>
> I am considering a lumotec head, which seems to be 6V (only 2.4 W, which would run for days :)).
> I can't seem to find out if vistalite are 6V systems (and whether they will sell lighting heads
> without the full
"kit").
>
> Does anybody have any suggestions? Maybe a source for 6V MR11s or MR16s so
I
> could do a complete home brew replacement?
>
>
> cheers
>
> - Kevin

What about VistaLight? I've got a 5/10 watt setup and they do have 15's as well. I don't know if the
connections are compatible, but worth a trip to a bike shop to find out.

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Iguana Bwana

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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:11:39 +1100, "Alan Erskine" <[email protected]usnet.com.au> wrote:

>What about VistaLight? I've got a 5/10 watt setup

What *effective* duration do you get when running the 10w unit continuously from a fully charged,
presumably NiMH (?), Vistalite battery?

Iguana Bwana
 
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Iguana Bwana

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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:04:49 +1100, "Kevin Elphinstone" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I can't seem to find out if vistalite are 6V systems (and whether they will sell lighting heads
>without the full "kit").

Vistalite are 6v systems. As Chuan Chew said, sealed bulb units are a
5.5v unit overdriven.

You can buy their sealed bulb units separately in 5, 10 & 15w or the complete headlight unit with
switch & input jack and for a fraction more. Speak with Kerry at http://www.phantomcycles.com.au

Supplied chargers output 7.2v @ 300mA for nicads, and 600mA as supplied with NiMH units.

cheers

Iguana Bwana
 
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"Iguana Bwana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:11:39 +1100, "Alan Erskine" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >What about VistaLight? I've got a 5/10 watt setup
>
> What *effective* duration do you get when running the 10w unit continuously from a fully charged,
> presumably NiMH (?), Vistalite battery?
>
> Iguana Bwana

Haven't given it a really good run yet, and the instructions say.

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Iguana Bwana

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:37:36 +1100, "Alan Erskine" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Haven't given it a really good run yet, and the instructions say.

Noted. Ta.

Already familiar with their stated & mathematically derived theoretical *maximum* endurance.

Iguana Bwana
 
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Turbo.Fahel

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I am looking at buying a headlight system that is rechargeable. I ride on a bike path in Beverly
Hills in Sydney with some on road riding that is lit.

Would you recommend the Vistalite and which one, the 5, 10 or 15w.

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"Iguana Bwana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:04:49 +1100, "Kevin Elphinstone" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I can't seem to find out if vistalite are 6V systems (and whether they will sell lighting heads
> >without the full "kit").
>
> Vistalite are 6v systems. As Chuan Chew said, sealed bulb units are a
> 5.5v unit overdriven.
>
> You can buy their sealed bulb units separately in 5, 10 & 15w or the complete headlight unit with
> switch & input jack and for a fraction more. Speak with Kerry at http://www.phantomcycles.com.au
>
> Supplied chargers output 7.2v @ 300mA for nicads, and 600mA as supplied with NiMH units.
>
> cheers
>
> Iguana Bwana

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:18:31 +1100, "Turbo.Fahel" <[email protected]> wrote:

<snip>

>Would you recommend the Vistalite and which one, the 5, 10 or 15w.

Given our pissweak dollar and local pricing in the Australian marketplace, IMO&E the various
Vistalite alternatives and their SRP arguably offer the optimum compromise of price vs performance
for most of us. I use and can confidently recommend them with the following caveats.

Taking into consideration your stated requirements. As you possibly already know, for riding on
lamplit roads (famil with Beverly Hills) or other areas saturated with light pollution, bicycle
front headlights really become semi-superfluous, and effectively act as a "what the!" attention
getter than being *required* by the rider to light the way.

For unlit bike path riding in the proverbial pitch black, IME&O a Vistalite of your choosing is an
ideal solution for those without an unlimited budget. ie: most of us. They are similarly effective
on unlit roads, although the speed at which you are riding will determine which wattage beam you
require to ensure you don't outride it.

As a guideline, for ambling along sub-20kph, properly adjusted, I find a (single) 5w projected beam
more than adequate. At around the 25kph, you're starting to outride it but can get by. ie: You'll
only spot the prominent rocks, holes or other unlit obstructions in time to alter track at that
speed. At 30kph, you're kidding yourself with 5w. A 10w or stronger is really required. 5, 10 or
15w, the beams all have excellent penetration, rather than diffusion. Combos work well, and can be
independently switched on and off for the prevailing conditions to maximise endurance.

Pretty obviously, for any 6v system the higher the globe wattage the brighter and more penetrating
the beam, the trade-off being less endurance per battery capacity, exponentially so. We'd all run
15w continuously if it wasn't for endurance constraints. Maximum endurance of a single 5w running on
a fully charged 2000mA nicad is stated at
2.2hrs. I find maximum practical risk of endurance to avoid overdischarging slightly less than this
at around 2hrs, and *effective* endurance closer to 1¾hrs per nicad. It's starting to dim and &
look pretty tired by the 2hr mark. Similarly Vistalight's specified 2.8hrs of a 5w from the 2200mA
NiMH is wishful thinking IME, and *effective* lighting being less than 2½hrs depending upon the
condition, age and maximum charge the battery will really accept. The latter cell conditional
caveat also applies to the nicads.

I have multiple Vistalite batteries and headlight units. That said, I prefer to run a single 5w
finding it more than adequate most of the time enjoying the safe *effective* 3½-4¼hrs endurance 5w
offers carrying just 2 compact slimline nicad/NiMH batteries. The problem I have with the 10w and
15w units becomes one of limited endurance vs the number of batteries you simultaneously need to
purchase, maintain, charge, and carry. If you were continuously running the higher wattages, NiMHs
(as supplied) and plenty of them, are a must.

For MTBing, IMO a combo of high and low wattage lamp units is definitely required which hits the
batteries (in continuous use) pretty hard. This is IM weenie night MTB experience offset by the
nature of night MTBing itself which is mentally and physically taxing leading to much shorter
endurance rides than you'll ordinarily do commuting, training or on bike path social night rides.

Vistalite strengths
-------------------
+ availability
+ PRICEpoint
+ portability - everything easily & quickly demountable
+ size - compact
+ weight - (relatively speaking)
+ availability of spare parts & replacement batteries
+ nicad or NiMH batteries available
+ 5, 10, 15w sealed globes available
+ can be used in multiples/wattage combo. Secondary switches etc available to facilitate this
+ reliable (IME)
+ robust (certainly will cop a physical hiding. I've witnessed some batteries continue to perform
despite woeful neglect from users.
+ battery mounting (doesn't occupy a water bottle cage; not slung from top tube or bars etc;
battery can be easily and compactly be carried in the supplied bracket, HydraPak pump pocket or
pump bracket.
+ headlight/helmet mounting - versatile alternatives
+ compact charger

Weaknesses and limitations
--------------------------
+ 6v system
+ endurance times with higher wattage globes
+ time to recharge - the battery units all have idiot proofed auto-resetting charge overload
protection. I haven't tried charging at higher rates myself, but presumably, this would limit
charging rates to around those spec. of the supplied chargers? The supplied chargers are 7.2v
300mA & 600mA for the nicad and NiMH units respectively. Battery fully charged capacities are
2000mA and 2200mA respectively. As can evidenced from this, practical time to ensure a full
recharge for a close to fully discharged battery (caution having been exercised not to over
discharge) is circa 7hrs for a nicad and 4½hrs for an NiMH unit.
+ more of a criticism than a weakness per se. Supplied chargers have no idiot light indication
indicating charging is even (a) taking place (eg: as per simple RC trickle chargers) and/or (b)
completed (as per eg: digital camera or mobile ph chargers). Relies upon feeling the transformer
for temp (yup it's charging) and gauging charge time.
+ replacement rain, dirt & mud rubber protective covers for battery jacks don't appear to be
available as a spare part item.

Iguana Bwana
 
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Turbo.Fahel

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Thanks a million. Must be the most detailed reply that I ever got for a simple question.

One last question, got any online shops you would recommend.

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"Iguana Bwana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:18:31 +1100, "Turbo.Fahel" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >Would you recommend the Vistalite and which one, the 5, 10 or 15w.
>
> Given our pissweak dollar and local pricing in the Australian marketplace, IMO&E the various
> Vistalite alternatives and their SRP arguably offer the optimum compromise of price vs performance
> for most of us. I use and can confidently recommend them with the following caveats.
>
> Taking into consideration your stated requirements. As you possibly already know, for riding on
> lamplit roads (famil with Beverly Hills) or other areas saturated with light pollution, bicycle
> front headlights really become semi-superfluous, and effectively act as a "what the!" attention
> getter than being *required* by the rider to light the way.
>
> For unlit bike path riding in the proverbial pitch black, IME&O a Vistalite of your choosing is an
> ideal solution for those without an unlimited budget. ie: most of us. They are similarly effective
> on unlit roads, although the speed at which you are riding will determine which wattage beam you
> require to ensure you don't outride it.
>
> As a guideline, for ambling along sub-20kph, properly adjusted, I find a (single) 5w projected
> beam more than adequate. At around the 25kph, you're starting to outride it but can get by. ie:
> You'll only spot the prominent rocks, holes or other unlit obstructions in time to alter track at
> that speed. At 30kph, you're kidding yourself with 5w. A 10w or stronger is really required. 5, 10
> or 15w, the beams all have excellent penetration, rather than diffusion. Combos work well, and can
> be independently switched on and off for the prevailing conditions to maximise endurance.
>
> Pretty obviously, for any 6v system the higher the globe wattage the brighter and more penetrating
> the beam, the trade-off being less endurance per battery capacity, exponentially so. We'd all run
> 15w continuously if it wasn't for endurance constraints. Maximum endurance of a single 5w running
> on a fully charged 2000mA nicad is stated at
> 2.2hrs. I find maximum practical risk of endurance to avoid overdischarging slightly less than
> this at around 2hrs, and *effective* endurance closer to 1¾hrs per nicad. It's starting to dim
> and & look pretty tired by the 2hr mark. Similarly Vistalight's specified 2.8hrs of a 5w from
> the 2200mA NiMH is wishful thinking IME, and *effective* lighting being less than 2½hrs
> depending upon the condition, age and maximum charge the battery will really accept. The latter
> cell conditional caveat also applies to the nicads.
>
> I have multiple Vistalite batteries and headlight units. That said, I prefer to run a single 5w
> finding it more than adequate most of the time enjoying the safe *effective* 3½-4¼hrs endurance 5w
> offers carrying just 2 compact slimline nicad/NiMH batteries. The problem I have with the 10w and
> 15w units becomes one of limited endurance vs the number of batteries you simultaneously need to
> purchase, maintain, charge, and carry. If you were continuously running the higher wattages, NiMHs
> (as supplied) and plenty of them, are a must.
>
> For MTBing, IMO a combo of high and low wattage lamp units is definitely required which hits the
> batteries (in continuous use) pretty hard. This is IM weenie night MTB experience offset by the
> nature of night MTBing itself which is mentally and physically taxing leading to much shorter
> endurance rides than you'll ordinarily do commuting, training or on bike path social night rides.
>
> Vistalite strengths
> -------------------
> + availability
> + PRICEpoint
> + portability - everything easily & quickly demountable
> + size - compact
> + weight - (relatively speaking)
> + availability of spare parts & replacement batteries
> + nicad or NiMH batteries available
> + 5, 10, 15w sealed globes available
> + can be used in multiples/wattage combo. Secondary switches etc available to facilitate this
> + reliable (IME)
> + robust (certainly will cop a physical hiding. I've witnessed some batteries continue to perform
> despite woeful neglect from users.
> + battery mounting (doesn't occupy a water bottle cage; not slung from top tube or bars etc;
> battery can be easily and compactly be carried in the supplied bracket, HydraPak pump pocket or
> pump bracket.
> + headlight/helmet mounting - versatile alternatives
> + compact charger
>
> Weaknesses and limitations
> --------------------------
> + 6v system
> + endurance times with higher wattage globes
> + time to recharge - the battery units all have idiot proofed auto-resetting charge overload
> protection. I haven't tried charging at higher rates myself, but presumably, this would limit
> charging rates to around those spec. of the supplied chargers? The supplied chargers are 7.2v
> 300mA & 600mA for the nicad and NiMH units respectively. Battery fully charged capacities are
> 2000mA and 2200mA respectively. As can evidenced from this, practical time to ensure a full
> recharge for a close to fully discharged battery (caution having been exercised not to over
> discharge) is circa 7hrs for a nicad and 4½hrs for an NiMH unit.
> + more of a criticism than a weakness per se. Supplied chargers have no idiot light indication
> indicating charging is even (a) taking place (eg: as per simple RC trickle chargers) and/or (b)
> completed (as per eg: digital camera or mobile ph chargers). Relies upon feeling the transformer
> for temp (yup it's charging) and gauging charge time.
> + replacement rain, dirt & mud rubber protective covers for battery jacks don't appear to be
> available as a spare part item.
>
> Iguana Bwana

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Iguana Bwana

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On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:07:35 +1100, "Turbo.Fahel" <[email protected]> wrote:

>One last question, got any online shops you would recommend.

Quite a few, but Phantom is probably your best bet in terms of both price and availability if you're
chasing Vistalite online. Not only is his pricing keenly competitive, but Kerry (Phantom) IMHO
deserves our support for carrying a comprehensive range of Vistalite spares other shops and online
sites seem unwilling to offer.

http://www.phantomcycles.com.au

Other Oz ones which I've used more than once which come highly recommended in terms of helpfulness,
pricing and service are:

Cecil Walker Dean Woods Cyclelink

with an honourable mention for; MBC

Dean doesn't offer Vistalite last I looked, although I think the others do carry the Code kits &
batteries but not miscellaneous spares.

Lastly, looking at the prices elsewhere than Phantom, you'll probably negotiate better on Code packs
walk-in with your LBS.

cheers

Iguana Bwana
 
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Kevin Elphinsto

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Thanks for all the suggestions, they have been most helpful.

- Kevin
 
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Lambert

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Hey,

Iguana on your point of:
+ replacement rain, dirt & mud rubber protective covers for battery jacks don't appear to be
available as a spare part item.

I recently bought some Vistalites but I never got any light jack covers to start with? Do your jacks
on the lights have any covers to protect mud/rain dirt?

"Iguana Bwana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:07:35 +1100, "Turbo.Fahel" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >One last question, got any online shops you would recommend.
>
> Quite a few, but Phantom is probably your best bet in terms of both price and availability if
> you're chasing Vistalite online. Not only is his pricing keenly competitive, but Kerry (Phantom)
> IMHO deserves our support for carrying a comprehensive range of Vistalite spares other shops and
> online sites seem unwilling to offer.
>
> http://www.phantomcycles.com.au
>
> Other Oz ones which I've used more than once which come highly recommended in terms of
> helpfulness, pricing and service are:
>
> Cecil Walker Dean Woods Cyclelink
>
> with an honourable mention for; MBC
>
> Dean doesn't offer Vistalite last I looked, although I think the others do carry the Code kits &
> batteries but not miscellaneous spares.
>
> Lastly, looking at the prices elsewhere than Phantom, you'll probably negotiate better on Code
> packs walk-in with your LBS.
>
> cheers
>
> Iguana Bwana
 
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