Supplements.......

"Tamyka Bell" wrote

Quoted message said:

most pharmicists are clueless and try
to give me ultrasound gel or KY jelly instead of electrode gel.

I am so not going to comment on that.

Theo

gplama said:

Kingsley said:

I was sure I read something about flavoured milk being
as good as 'sports drinks' - couldn't find it, not sure
I didn't make it up.

Yes, but nothing new... Check the carb/protein content ratio of Big
M's... now down one after hard training! yum!

Yep, it's ace! But ... no good in a bidon, warm milk? Urghhhh

Bleve said:

Quoted message said:

Yes, but nothing new... Check the carb/protein content ratio of Big
M's... now down one after hard training! yum!

Yep, it's ace! But ... no good in a bidon, warm milk? Urghhhh

I dunno... it went down well as a kid...

tinyurl.comr3jlkOpen ↗

😉

gplama said:

Bleve said:

Quoted message said:

Yes, but nothing new... Check the carb/protein content ratio of Big
M's... now down one after hard training! yum!

Yep, it's ace! But ... no good in a bidon, warm milk? Urghhhh

I dunno... it went down well as a kid...

http://tinyurl.com/r3jlk

If that milk's chocolate, I'm not touching it.

Kingsley said:

On Tue, 09 May 2006 19:19:03 -0700, Absent Husband wrote:

I was sure I read something about flavoured milk being
as good as 'sports drinks' - couldn't find it, not sure
I didn't make it up.

I was alerted to this in March

http://www.nutritionhorizon.com/newsmaker_article.asp?idNewsMaker=10280&fSite=AO545&next=pr

Haven't seen the paper yet

RoryW

Rory Williams said:

I was alerted to this in March

http://www.nutritionhorizon.com/newsmaker_article.asp?idNewsMaker=10280&fSite=AO545&next=pr

Haven't seen the paper yet

RoryW

"its ideal combination of carbohydrates and protein"... skip the paper, drink the milk!

Rory Williams said:

I was alerted to this in March

nutritionhorizon.comnewsmaker article.aspOpen ↗

Haven't seen the paper yet

RoryW

"Stager and colleagues had nine cyclists bike until their muscles were depleted of energy, rest four hours, then bike again until exhaustion, three separate times"

cruel and unusual punishment - I hope they got paid well.

gplama said:

Rory Williams said:

I was alerted to this in March

http://tinyurl.com/qrgqr

Haven't seen the paper yet

RoryW

"its ideal combination of carbohydrates and protein"... skip the paper,
drink the milk!

Yep, but if you read carefully, they were comparing it to "standard"
sports drinks, which would be gatorade or powerade. Neither contain
*any* protein, and they contain crappy, cheap sugars, no magnesium and
are way too sweet.

It's the small amount of protein that makes the big difference, and
yes, milk *is* good! But as above, it's not very portable when riding
(although most servos etc will sell it 🙂 )

I can't find the paper at the moment, but will try and remember to look
it up tonight.

sinus said:

Rory Williams said:

I was alerted to this in March

http://tinyurl.com/qrgqr

Haven't seen the paper yet

RoryW

"Stager and colleagues had nine cyclists bike until their muscles were
depleted of energy, rest four hours, then bike again until exhaustion,
three separate times"

cruel and unusual punishment - I hope they got paid well.

C&U is biopsies. Every time some PhD student wants cyclists, they
bribe with a "free' VO2max test etc, but they want biopsies. STAY AWAY
FROM MY MUSCLES WITH THAT THING!

quote='Bleve'sinus said:

Rory Williams said:

I was alerted to this in March

http://tinyurl.com/qrgqr

Haven't seen the paper yet

Abstracts for the relevant issue (feb 2006) at

http://www.humankinetics.com/IJSNEM/toc.cfm?jid=tNcAnb33tVkRhnDXtKjUqkNttRcFyq3DtHmKrbTDtN&iss=721&site=tNcAnb33tVkRhnDXtKjUqkNttRcFyq3DtHmKrbTDtN

Also an article comparing drinks with whey protein

I don't think we subscribe but I may get a chance to look around

RoryW

I do recall thinking of jumping on the Sanitarium "Up'n'Go" wagon. But
then I checked tehnutritional panel, and compared it to a glass of milk
with some Activite (vit/min fortified choco powder). And then compared
the cost.

So now the kids wonder why Dad is drinking all their choco milk!!
*grins*

Cheers,
Abby

PS Does anyone take Glutamine?????

"Absent Husband" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi all,

Being a slave-ish follower of nutritional trends, I was thinking about
heading down the protein supplement road. However, after much
indecision (a la Travis... *grins*), I decided that until I start doing
some mega-mileage, its probably not necessary.

Balfour's Green Frog Cakes and Cooper's Pale Ale. Yes I'm in SA. Carbo
loading at its ultimate.

More seriously, SO takes creatine powder. Coincidentally, so does our cat
(in licking out the cornflakes bowl with creatine in the bottom). Our Cat is
the meanest largest muscliest and quickest recovering tom cat in the street.
He does suffer from fluid retention before peaking for upcoming cat fights.

Gemm

Gemma_k said:

Balfour's Green Frog Cakes and Cooper's Pale Ale. Yes I'm in SA. Carbo
loading at its ultimate.

Mmmm ... Coopers Pale. I have just demolished the last from my case and
I have moved on to Little Creatures.

Getting off topic here, but does anyone else think that Coopers have
changed their brewing method for Pale Ale? The last 2 cases I bought
seem to be fizzier and more acidic than I remember.

I don't like the new taste. I prefer the older flatter, less fizzy taste.

On 11/05/06 at 23:52:11 petulance somehow managed to type:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Getting off topic here, but does anyone else think that Coopers have
changed their brewing method for Pale Ale? The last 2 cases I bought
seem to be fizzier and more acidic than I remember.

Dunno about Pale Ale but their Extra Strong Vintage Ale and their Dark
Ale are just as fine as always...:-)

--

Humbug

"More seriously, SO takes creatine powder. "

<snip>

Hi Gemma - so why does your SO take creatine powder?? And do you reckon
it works??

Humbug said:

On 11/05/06 at 23:52:11 petulance somehow managed to type:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Getting off topic here, but does anyone else think that Coopers have
changed their brewing method for Pale Ale? The last 2 cases I bought
seem to be fizzier and more acidic than I remember.

Dunno about Pale Ale but their Extra Strong Vintage Ale and their Dark
Ale are just as fine as always...:-)

Thanks. I'll try to check out those beers the next time around.

"Absent Husband" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"More seriously, SO takes creatine powder. "

<snip>

Hi Gemma - so why does your SO take creatine powder?? And do you reckon
it works??

He is a 'power athlete' (track sprinter) so not your typical cyclist. Lifts
a lot of weights, and does lots of short sharp maximal efforts. Creatine is
supposed to particularly help with recovery for these types of overload
training sessions.
From my point of view he just gets a lot heavier quickly on creatine, and
when he stops taking it he loses a few kg straight away. He claims it works
for him, who am I to argue?
I haven't noticed any difference in the cat taking it....

Gemm

Gemma_k said:

"Absent Husband" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"More seriously, SO takes creatine powder. "

<snip>

Hi Gemma - so why does your SO take creatine powder?? And do you reckon
it works??

He is a 'power athlete' (track sprinter) so not your typical cyclist. Lifts
a lot of weights, and does lots of short sharp maximal efforts. Creatine is
supposed to particularly help with recovery for these types of overload
training sessions.
From my point of view he just gets a lot heavier quickly on creatine, and
when he stops taking it he loses a few kg straight away. He claims it works
for him, who am I to argue?
I haven't noticed any difference in the cat taking it....

Gemm

Has he tried the "Ignite" instantly available creatine stuff? It's made
by Powerzone Nutrition. My massage therapist is most recently a track
cyclist and swears by the stuff in a horror concoction involving red
bull...

Tam

"gplama" wrote

Quoted message said:

"its ideal combination of carbohydrates and protein"... skip the

paper,

Quoted message said:

drink the milk!

In the news this morning. There's apparently no evidence that drinking
milk does anything for your bones. Plenty of exercise as a kid growing
up gives you good bones. What future is there for people who got
driven to and picked up from school every day?

Theo

Theo Bekkers said:

"gplama" wrote

Quoted message said:

"its ideal combination of carbohydrates and protein"... skip the

paper,

Quoted message said:

drink the milk!

In the news this morning. There's apparently no evidence that drinking
milk does anything for your bones. Plenty of exercise as a kid growing
up gives you good bones. What future is there for people who got
driven to and picked up from school every day?

Theo

There has been quite a lot on this subject over the year or so. eg: a link to a paper from March last year which may have started it all off.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/115/3/736?eaf

I think that much of the science of nutrition is going to have similar dificulties as the science of exercise. One is dealing with a system that can have so much natural variation in the response to the intervention that when all the data is put together one looses sight of the wood for the trees.

It's going to be an individual thing about how each person responds to the dose, other components in the meal, state of the metabolism, level of exercise etc.Hence the so-called field of 'nutrigenomics' where one will be tailoring one's input based on an individual profile of needs and responses.

The trick, of doing it for your self, like the trick of coaching having the right objective (or maybe informed subjectivity) measures to be able to guide you.

RoryW