Syncope, atenolol, now I'm scared

Discussion in 'Health and medical' started by Cher, Feb 24, 2004.

  1. Cher

    Cher Guest

    Don't mean to sound like an idiot... I'm 34yo and relatively healthy. I went on this ride that had
    many gforces, I had a severe migraine (which I never had before) and went to the dr. They said it
    was from the ride, looked in my eyes with a light, then put me in an ambulance to the hospital where
    they did a spinal tap. They said I was ok, the fluid was clear and sent me home. Three weeks later,
    I fained suddenly. Since then I fainted 4 times and came close 12 times. I had a tilt table test
    confirming syncope yesterday and put on Atenolol. I am petriifed. I don't like taking pills and this
    pill makes me cold all over! I am afraid to go on any rides now not knowing if it is all related or
    not. My dr. says there is no way to know. I am very frustrated and scared. I didn't go to work
    today, I think I just need a day to get my head together. Thank you for letting me vent.

    cheryl
     
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  2. Susan

    Susan Guest

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    >Don't mean to sound like an idiot... I'm 34yo and relatively healthy. I went on this ride that had
    >many gforces, I had a severe migraine (which I never had before) and went to the dr. They said it
    >was from the ride, looked in my eyes with a light, then put me in an ambulance to the hospital
    >where they did a spinal tap. They said I was ok, the fluid was clear and sent me home. Three weeks
    >later, I fained suddenly. Since then I fainted 4 times and came close 12 times. I had a tilt table
    >test confirming syncope yesterday and put on Atenolol. I am petriifed. I don't like taking pills
    >and this pill makes me cold all over! I am afraid to go on any rides now not knowing if it is all
    >related or not. My dr. says there is no way to know. I am very frustrated and scared. I didn't go
    >to work today, I think I just need a day to get my head together. Thank you for letting me vent.
    >
    >cheryl

    I urge you to find a doctor who's knowledgable (no easy task) about mast cell activation disorder,
    mastocytosis, and, if you have face flushing, carcinoid syndrome.

    I found my friend's diagnosis of masto on Medline after about 12 doctors at 3 hospitals tortured her
    and failed to find it.

    All I had to do was type in her three main symptoms.

    Susan
     
  3. Julianne

    Julianne Guest

    "Susan " <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > >Don't mean to sound like an idiot... I'm 34yo and relatively healthy. I went on this ride that
    > >had many gforces, I had a severe migraine (which I never had before) and went to the dr. They
    > >said it was from the ride, looked in my eyes with a light, then put me in an ambulance to the
    > >hospital where they did a spinal tap. They said I was ok, the fluid was clear and sent me home.
    > >Three weeks later, I fained suddenly. Since then I fainted 4 times and came close 12 times. I had
    > >a tilt table test confirming syncope yesterday and put on Atenolol. I am petriifed. I don't like
    > >taking pills and this pill makes me cold all over! I am afraid to go on any rides now not knowing
    > >if it is all related or not. My dr. says there is no way to know. I am very frustrated and
    > >scared. I didn't go to work today, I think I just need a day to get my head together. Thank you
    > >for letting me vent.
    > >
    > >cheryl
    >
    > I urge you to find a doctor who's knowledgable (no easy task) about mast
    cell
    > activation disorder, mastocytosis, and, if you have face flushing,
    carcinoid
    > syndrome.
    >
    > I found my friend's diagnosis of masto on Medline after about 12 doctors
    at 3
    > hospitals tortured her and failed to find it.
    >
    > All I had to do was type in her three main symptoms.
    >
    > Susan

    Susan:

    What clinical evidence leads you to believe that the original poster is suffering from an allergy? I
    took it that she had a migraine and was prescribed a Beta Blocker. B-blockers are notorious for
    causing symptoms such as described.

    Entering in three main symptoms in a computer program seems a bit simplistic. If you consider that
    12 docs have about 48 years of med school experience, it is unlikely that a three question program
    can supersede their education. In fact, it seems a tad arrogant. Was the site at which you found the
    questionnaire promoting 'Mast Cell Disease'?

    Obviously, you have touched a nerve with me and I do not mean to be sarcastic. I get very tired of
    hearing people self diagnose themselves via the internet, etc. and then proclaim that they are able
    to do what clinicians are unable to do. I believe that great harm comes from self-diagnosis. I
    believe that it is easier to believe that fibromylagia or toxic mold is the cause of depression and
    lethargy because there is no cure. Until depressed and lethargic folks believe that they can
    determine their outcomes, they will remain depressed and lethargic. Alas, I have known too many
    patients who 'enjoyed' their illness. Without it they would be nothing or at least unworthy of the
    attention that illness garners.

    I believe in the benefits of herbal remedies but I have seen more than one person forego needed
    surgery because they believed in chelation therapy which has not been proven. CoQ10 is an excellent
    alternative adjunct to traditional cardiology but it is not a stand alone therapy.

    Please forgive me for this rant. I do not now, nor will I ever, believe that a three question
    internet quiz is a substitute for real medical care.

    j
     
  4. Julianne

    Julianne Guest

    I am in awe of your emotional response. Although fibromylagia patients are very real, it did become
    the disease of the month club for a while and was quite over diagnosed. Do you deny that? Do you
    think it helps true fibro patients when scores of patients complaining of vague symptoms are given a
    'legit' diagnosis? I would be offended if I had fibromyalgia. I have seen the bizarre lab work of
    true toxic mold patients but it is not typical of the fast majority of those claiming the disease.

    I am sure that you hold it as a badge of honor that you have NEVER missed a day of work Like you, I
    have never missed a day of work regardless of how badly I felt related to allergies, etc. I do not
    believe I made a mockery of anyone.

    Maybe instead of working 50 - 70 hours a week, you should relax a little. Your granddaughter might
    appreciate a Grandmother who is more rested and in less pain. Being a martyr counts for little when
    it comes to little kids.

    By the way, I am not sure that you are qualified to tell me what I am or am not worthy of. I am a
    nurse and I care deeply for people. It is not your call.

    I noticed that you didn't address the other points in my email. Is that because you believe that a
    three question internet quiz can accurately diagnose 'mast cell' disease?

    j "Complex592" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    m11.aol.com...
    > How dare you talk about fibro patients like they are mental cases. Having
    been
    > diagnosed with Fibro all the way back in 1983 I can tell you it is a real disorder. Do I wallow in
    > pain? No. I have learned to live with it and keep
    it
    > at a minimum. I NEVER miss a day of work and never walk around
    complaining.
    > How dare you make a mockery of someone who feels so worn out from pain
    that
    > they can not move:? Their pain is as real as in any other disease. Just
    as
    > your funny bone has been hit so has mine. Mitral valve prolapse,
    irritable
    > bowel syndrom, tendonitius, muscle spasm, chronic back pain, numerous
    trigger
    > points. parasthesias, mental fog, muscle cramps, stiff man syndrome. You
    want
    > to know something. I have worked 50-70 hours a week with all of the
    above.I
    > take care of a home, my granddaughter and then work at night from home. I
    have
    > had breast cancer and and 6 months of chemo and it was easier than fibro
    any
    > day of the week. Dont be so quick to validate or invalidate anybodys
    complaint
    > of discomfort. Your not worthy of it obviously. Goodnight.
     
  5. Julianne

    Julianne Guest

    "Complex592" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Julie I am not a martyr. I work hard because I love my work. You, Love
    people.
    > I think you sound more like the black nurse of death. Loving people is
    to
    > accwept them for what they are not run their lives. Get a life. I just
    can
    > see it now...The patient in 201B calls out on the intercom and the lite
    goes
    > on.. The patient needs to go to the bathroom. Nurse Julie sitting
    there,tells
    > the nurses charting at the station, "That patient in 201B is a real pain.
    She
    > has nothing to do but call out. All she wants is attention." Dont give
    me the
    > loving nurse routine. I have worked in hospitals for 29 years. I have
    watched
    > nurses SKIP TO A CODE HOLDING HANDS. DO HATE NURSES. No. There are good
    ones
    > and their are bad ones. But hidding behind the dear nurse routine doesnt
    work.
     
  6. Julianne

    Julianne Guest

    I have a life, thank you very much. I no longer work in a hospital but work as a consultant., I have
    no patients in 201B or whatever number you imagination comes up with.

    I will tell you this. I am ruthless when it comes to people questioning my motives and trashing my
    nursing skills and judgment. Unless you can come up with actual situations in which I behaved in the
    unprofessional way in which you described, you would be better off not relating them online or
    anywhere else in a public forum. This is not a suggestion. I will take action.

    As best I know you have never been my patient nor have you been a patient at a facility that has
    used my consulting services. To call me the Black Nurse of Death because I tend to think that
    fibromyalgia has been over diagnosed tells me more than I ever wanted to know about you. I
    personally, have never skipped to a code holding hands with anyone although, I have attended
    numerous codes in my role as a CCU nurse. I can assure you that my only objective was to restore an
    airway and heartbeat. Does that make me a black nurse of death?

    Be very careful. I love my job and I love teaching patients. I do not take threats to my livelihood
    lightly. By the way, how much time have you spent in nursing school? What license do you have?

    julianne (note spelling).

    "Complex592" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    m11.aol.com...
    > Julie I am not a martyr. I work hard because I love my work. You, Love
    people.
    > I think you sound more like the black nurse of death. Loving people is
    to
    > accwept them for what they are not run their lives. Get a life. I just
    can
    > see it now...The patient in 201B calls out on the intercom and the lite
    goes
    > on.. The patient needs to go to the bathroom. Nurse Julie sitting
    there,tells
    > the nurses charting at the station, "That patient in 201B is a real pain.
    She
    > has nothing to do but call out. All she wants is attention." Dont give
    me the
    > loving nurse routine. I have worked in hospitals for 29 years. I have
    watched
    > nurses SKIP TO A CODE HOLDING HANDS. DO HATE NURSES. No. There are good
    ones
    > and their are bad ones. But hidding behind the dear nurse routine doesnt
    work.
     
  7. Cheryl,

    I'd be scared,too. There is a procedureto prevent fainting - an exercise you can be trained to do.

    [email protected] (Cher) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Don't mean to sound like an idiot... I'm 34yo and relatively healthy. I went on this ride that had
    > many gforces, I had a severe migraine (which I never had before) and went to the dr. They said it
    > was from the ride, looked in my eyes with a light, then put me in an ambulance to the hospital
    > where they did a spinal tap. They said I was ok, the fluid was clear and sent me home. Three weeks
    > later, I fained suddenly. Since then I fainted 4 times and came close 12 times. I had a tilt table
    > test confirming syncope yesterday and put on Atenolol. I am petriifed. I don't like taking pills
    > and this pill makes me cold all over! I am afraid to go on any rides now not knowing if it is all
    > related or not. My dr. says there is no way to know. I am very frustrated and scared. I didn't go
    > to work today, I think I just need a day to get my head together. Thank you for letting me vent.
    >
    > cheryl
     
  8. Cher

    Cher Guest

    What is it? How?

    Thanks, Cheryl
     
  9. Julianne

    Julianne Guest

    "Susan " <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > FTR, I'm really sick of ignorant people who think everyone is searching
    herbal
    > medicine retail sites for their health info, or who recommend sitting back
    and
    > letting ignorant lazy doctors (my friend's were at very prestigious NY
    academic
    > hospitals) do the driving.
    >
    > Susan

    Ah, but surely there must be some happy medium....

    Not all doctors are lazy and ignorant. Furthermore, herbal and other alternative medical practices
    have been around for centuries longer than traditional medicine. I cannot imagine that China would
    have overpopulation problems if tea, tofu and acupuncture were harmful. I also have seen patients
    taking vinegar for high blood pressure in lieu of antihypertensive meds because they were hostile
    against traditional medicine. (It doesn't work, by the way.) I had a patient with maggots in a wound
    because her family didn't think the doctors knew how to dress a wound the way they preferred.
    (Debridement looks bad but it is necessary!)

    I have never worked in NY academic hospitals. I have not heard that the docs there were lazy or
    ignorant. The docs I worked with, for the most part, worked exceptionally hard. Is it even remotely
    possible that some of the docs and other health care professionals care just a little about their
    patients? Instead of letting the doc or the patient do the driving, maybe a co-pilot relationship
    would be best??
     
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