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Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago

Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey

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The propaganda war used to justify Western policies over Kosovo was
unrelenting. We were told that 500,000 ethnic Albanians had been
killed there by the Serbs (miraculously we are now given a figure of
around 10,000). Much was made of a 1989 speech by former Yugoslav
leader Slobodan Milosevic said to call for "ethnic cleansing" in
Kosovo. But one has only to read the speech to realize it said the
exact opposite - that it was a call for moderation in handling ethnic
Albanian hostility to a justifiably stronger Serbian political
presence there; the idea that the 10 percent Serbian minority there
would set out deliberately to expel the large ethnic Albanian majority
was patently absurd from the start. Yet that absurdity has regularly
been trundled out by allegedly objective Western commentators relying
heavily on the 1999 flight of ethnic Albanians to neighboring
Macedonia as proof. But that flight was temporary, and came after the
U.S - NATO bombing attacks, not before. Some of it was also staged.
 
Davey Crockett schreef:
> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey


Better to lead the chase at 21 km/h than to drop back, let the pace fall
to 18 and invite escapes at 22.


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"Davey Crockett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
>
> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey


Protect who?
Gerdemann or Rogers who was in yellow jersey position when he crashed?
 
"JC" <[email protected]> writes:

> "Davey Crockett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
>>
>> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey

>
> Protect who?
> Gerdemann or Rogers who was in yellow jersey position when he crashed?
>

Rogers was about as much comparable to Maillot Jaune Material
as my Ass


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On the 50th anniversary of their original unification, the EU powers
congratulated themselves on the way they had kept Europe free of war
ever since 1945. They did not seem even to notice how they had just
gone to war with a European nation called Serbia. Serbia was the one
European nation to resist Nazi German domination (the others either
surrendered or collaborated). Its capital, Belgrade, was viciously
bombed as a result. The next time it was bombed was by a NATO that
included Germany and many of the other former collaborator nations,
this time to force it to submit over Kosovo. Little wonder the Serbs
remain angry.
 
"Davey Crockett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "JC" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> "Davey Crockett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
>>>
>>> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey

>>
>> Protect who?
>> Gerdemann or Rogers who was in yellow jersey position when he crashed?
>>

> Rogers was about as much comparable to Maillot Jaune Material
> as my Ass


The commentators i'm listening to weren't exactly in agreeance with your
views :)

Any particular reason you don't rate him?
And what are your views on Cadel Evans's chances?
 
"JC" <[email protected]> writes:

> "Davey Crockett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "JC" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> "Davey Crockett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
>>>>
>>>> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey
>>>
>>> Protect who?
>>> Gerdemann or Rogers who was in yellow jersey position when he crashed?
>>>

>> Rogers was about as much comparable to Maillot Jaune Material
>> as my Ass

>
> The commentators i'm listening to weren't exactly in agreeance with your
> views :)
>


Well of course. When a race has been as boring as this one has been
with only minor points of interest, it's the job of the commentators
to fire up the Wankers so they don't flip the channel to a Tractor
Pull or Chicks Mud Wrestling, both of which would be eminently more
entertaining


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White Nations are growing weary of seeing their sons die in wars to
bring Democracy to people who do not seem all that appreciative. They
are tired of reading of factories going to China and jobs going to
India, while Illegal Aliens march in their cities under foreign flags
to demand their "civil rights" and the Government hands out their Tax
Money as Welfare with both hands.
 
"Davey Crockett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "JC" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> "Davey Crockett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "JC" <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>> "Davey Crockett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
>>>>>
>>>>> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey
>>>>
>>>> Protect who?
>>>> Gerdemann or Rogers who was in yellow jersey position when he crashed?
>>>>
>>> Rogers was about as much comparable to Maillot Jaune Material
>>> as my Ass

>>
>> The commentators i'm listening to weren't exactly in agreeance with your
>> views :)
>>

>
> Well of course. When a race has been as boring as this one has been
> with only minor points of interest, it's the job of the commentators
> to fire up the Wankers so they don't flip the channel to a Tractor
> Pull or Chicks Mud Wrestling, both of which would be eminently more
> entertaining


Well we both wankers then eh
any reason why you didn't answer my Questions

Any particular reason you don't rate him?
And what are your views on Cadel Evans's chances?

>
>
> --
> Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
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> White Nations are growing weary of seeing their sons die in wars to
> bring Democracy to people who do not seem all that appreciative. They
> are tired of reading of factories going to China and jobs going to
> India, while Illegal Aliens march in their cities under foreign flags
> to demand their "civil rights" and the Government hands out their Tax
> Money as Welfare with both hands.
 
On Jul 15, 11:33 am, Davey Crockett <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Well of course. When a race has been as boring as this one has been
> with only minor points of interest, it's the job of the commentators
> to fire up the Wankers so they don't flip the channel to a Tractor
> Pull or Chicks Mud Wrestling, both of which would be eminently more
> entertaining.


I've enjoyed the race so far and only found that one slow stage
frustrating (which was corrected later in the day). What exactly were
you hoping would happen in the first week?

R
 
in message <[email protected]>, Davey Crockett
('[email protected]') wrote:

> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
>
> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey


I have to admit I partly agree. Still, it's rotten bad luck for Rogers.

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in message <[email protected]>, JC
('[email protected]') wrote:

> Any particular reason you don't rate him?
> And what are your views on Cadel Evans's chances?


Nil, I hope. He wheelsucked all the way up the last climb. If he'd worked
with Moreau instead of against him, they'd both have put a bigger gap into
Vino - and, let's face it, Vino is still the most likely winner of this
year's tour. Vino is recovering each day, and has a rest day tomorrow. The
day to put minutes into him was today, and it could have been done. But
Evans would not (or could not) do a stroke of work, and so will finish
behind Vino.

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Simon Brooke wrote:
> Vino is recovering each day, and has a rest day tomorrow. The
> day to put minutes into him was today, and it could have been done. But
> Evans would not (or could not) do a stroke of work, and so will finish
> behind Vino.


Vino can't really afford to lose much more time on Tuesday, he's good
at the ITT but he's no Ullrich.

And speaking of Ullrich, if he's watching he must be wishing he used a
more discreet service provider because that elusive no.2 might finally
have come, what with more than 100Km of ITT's to come and no really big
attacks in the mountains.
 
On Jul 15, 1:12 pm, Simon Brooke <[email protected]> wrote:
> in message <[email protected]>, JC
>
> ('[email protected]') wrote:
> > Any particular reason you don't rate him?
> > And what are your views on Cadel Evans's chances?

>
> Nil, I hope. He wheelsucked all the way up the last climb. If he'd worked
> with Moreau instead of against him, they'd both have put a bigger gap into
> Vino - and, let's face it, Vino is still the most likely winner of this
> year's tour. Vino is recovering each day, and has a rest day tomorrow. The
> day to put minutes into him was today, and it could have been done. But
> Evans would not (or could not) do a stroke of work, and so will finish
> behind Vino.
>
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Evans never attacks! But none of the other racers were helping Moreau.
I agree that group could have put the Vino/Kloden/Levi/Sastre group in
trouble today.

Andre
 
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<[email protected]>,
Donald Munro <[email protected]> wrote:

> Simon Brooke wrote:
> > Vino is recovering each day, and has a rest day tomorrow. The
> > day to put minutes into him was today, and it could have been done. But
> > Evans would not (or could not) do a stroke of work, and so will finish
> > behind Vino.

>
> Vino can't really afford to lose much more time on Tuesday, he's good
> at the ITT but he's no Ullrich.
>
> And speaking of Ullrich, if he's watching he must be wishing he used a
> more discreet service provider because that elusive no.2 might finally
> have come, what with more than 100Km of ITT's to come and no really big
> attacks in the mountains.


We haven't seen everybody yet. Have we? I think there
are some riders who have not hoisted their colors yet.
I am looking forward to more, serious racing.

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Andre wrote:
> Evans never attacks! But none of the other racers were helping Moreau.
> I agree that group could have put the Vino/Kloden/Levi/Sastre group in
> trouble today.


Moreau seemed to be up for it today. I hope I'm wrong in wondering if, at
36, he'll be able to recover well enough for the steeper Pyrenean climbs
after the TT next weekend.
 
On Jul 16, 10:43 am, Donald Munro <[email protected]> wrote:
> Andre wrote:
> > Evans never attacks! But none of the other racers were helping Moreau.
> > I agree that group could have put the Vino/Kloden/Levi/Sastre group in
> > trouble today.

>
> Moreau seemed to be up for it today. I hope I'm wrong in wondering if, at
> 36, he'll be able to recover well enough for the steeper Pyrenean climbs
> after the TT next weekend.


He forced it too much. By attacking his breakaway companions several
times he clearly showed them that he was the strongest of the group.
>From then on, they wouldn't cooperate anymore. Dumbass move by Moreau,

really.
Why should they help the guy that attacked them just before?
It was all of them against him from this point on. Of course they
wouldn't let him go anymore.

Mayo showed them how it's done:
Attack once. The others have to chase back.
Make yourself disappear in the group. Play dead (you seemingly put all
your effort into your first attack).
Attack when nobody expects it because they think you are dead.

Unfortunately for Mayo, it only works once. In the next stages he will
also be a marked man.
 
On Jul 15, 5:21 pm, "JC" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Davey Crockett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > "JC" <[email protected]> writes:

>
> >> "Davey Crockett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago

>
> >>> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey

>
> >> Protect who?
> >> Gerdemann or Rogers who was in yellow jersey position when he crashed?

>
> > Rogers was about as much comparable to Maillot Jaune Material
> > as my Ass

>
> The commentators i'm listening to weren't exactly in agreeance with your
> views :)


The guys _in_ the race (riders and their directeurs sportifs), however
seemed to agree by letting Rogers go into such rather serious break in
the first place. And these are the guys that count more than any
commentators. Rogers was a GC contender only in the eyes of the T-Mob
(weel, maybe also the cyclingnews-Oz-connection).
Unfortunately for all of us, we cannot be proved wrong either way
anymore.
 
Cyrus De Kline wrote:
> He forced it too much. By attacking his breakaway companions several
> times he clearly showed them that he was the strongest of the group.
> From then on, they wouldn't cooperate anymore. Dumbass move by Moreau,


In fairness, before the attacking I saw him gesturing more than once,
asking them to ride together (finger making circles).


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in message <[email protected]>, Andre
('[email protected]') wrote:

> On Jul 15, 1:12 pm, Simon Brooke <[email protected]> wrote:
>> in message <[email protected]>, JC
>>
>> ('[email protected]') wrote:
>> > Any particular reason you don't rate him?
>> > And what are your views on Cadel Evans's chances?

>>
>> Nil, I hope. He wheelsucked all the way up the last climb. If he'd
>> worked with Moreau instead of against him, they'd both have put a bigger
>> gap into Vino - and, let's face it, Vino is still the most likely winner
>> of this year's tour. Vino is recovering each day, and has a rest day
>> tomorrow. The day to put minutes into him was today, and it could have
>> been done. But Evans would not (or could not) do a stroke of work, and
>> so will finish behind Vino.

>
> Evans never attacks! But none of the other racers were helping Moreau.
> I agree that group could have put the Vino/Kloden/Levi/Sastre group in
> trouble today.


I assume the reason Schleck didn't help Moreau was team orders - Sastre was
back with Vino. I don't understand why Evans and Valverde didn't work with
Moreau, because it was clearly in both of their interests to do Astana as
much damage as possible.

I have to say I hope Sastre is up to this. He talks about playing a long
game and was able to climb away from Vino at the end; but I really feel
that yesterday was the day to hit Astana hard, and it was not done.

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On Jul 15, 1:04 pm, Simon Brooke <[email protected]> wrote:
> in message <[email protected]>, Davey Crockett
>
> ('[email protected]') wrote:
> > Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago

>
> > Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey

>
> I have to admit I partly agree. Still, it's rotten bad luck for Rogers.
>
> --
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> ;; information, though, quite frankly, if you're not the intended
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wow. sure whhhhishKlang i was standing there. Rodgers thought that was
a 50mph bend?
Mal route!
and geredeman on the brink.
results of the no drugs policy: carnage from foggy thinking.
as above.
 
On Jul 16, 5:48 am, Cyrus De Kline <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 15, 5:21 pm, "JC" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Davey Crockett" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>
> >news:[email protected]...

>
> > > "JC" <[email protected]> writes:

>
> > >> "Davey Crockett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >>news:[email protected]...
> > >>> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago

>
> > >>> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey

>
> > >> Protect who?
> > >> Gerdemann or Rogers who was in yellow jersey position when he crashed?

>
> > > Rogers was about as much comparable to Maillot Jaune Material
> > > as my Ass

>
> > The commentators i'm listening to weren't exactly in agreeance with your
> > views :)

>
> The guys _in_ the race (riders and their directeurs sportifs), however
> seemed to agree by letting Rogers go into such rather serious break in
> the first place. And these are the guys that count more than any
> commentators. Rogers was a GC contender only in the eyes of the T-Mob
> (weel, maybe also the cyclingnews-Oz-connection).
> Unfortunately for all of us, we cannot be proved wrong either way
> anymore.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Levi benefitted also from those strange tactics played out in the
Moreau group. Levi made up some time and is still in contention.