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Chris
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It seems the question, could be T positives during a grand tour race? I
don't recall any.
Also, do the B samples from his other test exist, and will they be tested
now to learn more?
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Sandy wrote:
> [email protected] a écrit :
> > When this self-righteous obsession was directed against
> > LANCE, I thought it had to do with LANCE's sometimes
> > obnoxious persona. But now that it's directed against
> > Floyd, whom nobody hated before, I'm thinking it has
> > deeper roots. We want our heroes to be perfect to
> > compensate for our own inadequacies; it looks like Floyd
> > pays the price for the fans' own nagging feelings
> > that they might not be morally perfect.
> >
> > Kill 'em all and let **** Pound sort them out.
> >
> > Ben
> > Judge Natty Dread
>
> If the one and only positive test related to some rider who finished
> 122.5th, this entire thread would not exist. It still rattles me that
> the single positive result was this one. I still don't know how to
> evaluate that.
I don't either. I could offer various explanations, for example:
(1) there is only one user of doping in the race (which I
don't believe). (2) there are a number of users of doping,
carefully regulated so as not to test positive under most
circumstances, but that the extreme stress of the Tour can
create unusual circumstances that alter a rider's hormone
levels and mess up their programs. (3) the conspiracy theory,
that whether any doping test is revealed has to do with
the face-off between WADA, UCI, and ASO (which I think
has something to do with _how_ the test is revealed
but not the actual positive).
But there is also a more prosaic effect, which is that the
122.5th placed rider may never or hardly ever be tested
during the Tour. The UCI vampires regularly sample
the riders' hematocrits, but to my understanding there
are only about 5-6 pee tests per day: the top 3 of the stage,
the yellow jersey, and a few randoms. (Maybe the other
jersey holders also?) So if there is a positive, it is most
likely to be a sprinter (frequently in the top 3) or a GC
contender (frequent high finish, MJ wearer).
How many positives have there been during recent
Tours? I would guess 1 or 0. The last couple I can
remember are riders who got popped for high HCT
or EPO in the tests before the start and never actually
started. That also makes this result unusual.
Ben
don't recall any.
Also, do the B samples from his other test exist, and will they be tested
now to learn more?
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Sandy wrote:
> [email protected] a écrit :
> > When this self-righteous obsession was directed against
> > LANCE, I thought it had to do with LANCE's sometimes
> > obnoxious persona. But now that it's directed against
> > Floyd, whom nobody hated before, I'm thinking it has
> > deeper roots. We want our heroes to be perfect to
> > compensate for our own inadequacies; it looks like Floyd
> > pays the price for the fans' own nagging feelings
> > that they might not be morally perfect.
> >
> > Kill 'em all and let **** Pound sort them out.
> >
> > Ben
> > Judge Natty Dread
>
> If the one and only positive test related to some rider who finished
> 122.5th, this entire thread would not exist. It still rattles me that
> the single positive result was this one. I still don't know how to
> evaluate that.
I don't either. I could offer various explanations, for example:
(1) there is only one user of doping in the race (which I
don't believe). (2) there are a number of users of doping,
carefully regulated so as not to test positive under most
circumstances, but that the extreme stress of the Tour can
create unusual circumstances that alter a rider's hormone
levels and mess up their programs. (3) the conspiracy theory,
that whether any doping test is revealed has to do with
the face-off between WADA, UCI, and ASO (which I think
has something to do with _how_ the test is revealed
but not the actual positive).
But there is also a more prosaic effect, which is that the
122.5th placed rider may never or hardly ever be tested
during the Tour. The UCI vampires regularly sample
the riders' hematocrits, but to my understanding there
are only about 5-6 pee tests per day: the top 3 of the stage,
the yellow jersey, and a few randoms. (Maybe the other
jersey holders also?) So if there is a positive, it is most
likely to be a sprinter (frequently in the top 3) or a GC
contender (frequent high finish, MJ wearer).
How many positives have there been during recent
Tours? I would guess 1 or 0. The last couple I can
remember are riders who got popped for high HCT
or EPO in the tests before the start and never actually
started. That also makes this result unusual.
Ben