Tadpole Trike on Ebay (Phil Wood hubs, Hudyn HPV)



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I'm selling my Leibold tadpole trike on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7124270651

This trike was built in the late 80's in Davis, CA by Jeff Leibold. The
basic design is a rigid triangulated space frame of small diameter square
steel tubing, with an adjustable aluminum boom tube. The design is ideally
designed for experimentation and easy modification, with loads of
adjustability. Aside from the Phil Wood wheelchair hubs and go kart tie
rods, all other components are standard issue bike parts from the late
1980's. Steerer bearing and kingpins are 1" threaded headsets. Brakes are
normal reach calipers. Chain routing is fully adjustable. I will include a
Leibold-built jackwheel that just clamps to the long aluminum boom tube. You
can experiment with different wheel sizes, since the brake attachment points
are fully adjustable over a wide range. The boom adjusts to accomodate a
very wide range of rider sizes. I haven't weighed it, but it feels light.
I've hauled it up narrow staircases many times.

I purchased this trike in 1996 from the original owner, and have not ridden
it very much. It still has the original and prized Hudyn HPV high-pressure
451mm tires on it. The sling seat is very cool and comfortable. The
Blackburn rack is perfect for touring, should you get serious about long
distance riding.

How does it ride? It can go pretty fast. Steering is tight. It's hard to
tip, with a wide wheel stance and low center of gravity. The tiller design
keeps hands away from the rotating wheels, which I see as a plus.

I'll include some photos and several pages of hand-written notes and
drawings by Jeff Leibold, the builder describing design details and possible
modifications.

I'll ship it in two boxes via Fed Ex Ground. Not sure what shipping will
cost; but I'll pack it carefully. Reassembly will be easy, requiring only
standard bike tools.

Email or post a followup if you have any questions.

Rocketman
 
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War On Error [1] wrote:

> I'm selling my Leibold tadpole trike on Ebay.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7124270651 ...


Here is what Zach Kaplan had to say about the Hudyn tires: "Hudyn HPV
Slick 32-451 (20x1 1/4) 6 bar (90 psi) 325 g $20 (slick, brown wall, a
very rare, high quality 451mm tyre, the highest quality 451mm tyre
available. These are no longer in production and were among the last
bicycle tyres produced in USA)." [2]

It is seriously un-cool to talk about the Phil Wood hubs on your trike.
;) The eBay announcement even says "Front hubs are Phil Wood sealed
bearing wheelchair hubs (best hubs on the planet.)"

These are the best trike hubs on the planet:
<http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df11.jpg>,
<http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df12.jpg>,
<http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df13.jpg>. :)

P.S. Which park was the picture taken in?

[1] Who is presumably posting anonymously because he never again wants
to hear the words "Detroit" and Lions" used in the same sentence.
[2] <http://mnhpva.org/tires/451.html>.

--
Tom Sherman - Who misses C-U and PCC rides
 
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> War On Error [1] wrote:
>
>> I'm selling my Leibold tadpole trike on Ebay.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7124270651 ...

>
> Here is what Zach Kaplan had to say about the Hudyn tires: "Hudyn HPV
> Slick 32-451 (20x1 1/4) 6 bar (90 psi) 325 g $20 (slick, brown wall, a
> very rare, high quality 451mm tyre, the highest quality 451mm tyre
> available. These are no longer in production and were among the last
> bicycle tyres produced in USA)." [2]


Yes. They're excellent tires, and still have many miles left, thoug the
tread cap is separating from the casing a bit after 16 years or so.

> It is seriously un-cool to talk about the Phil Wood hubs on your trike. ;)
> The eBay announcement even says "Front hubs are Phil Wood sealed bearing
> wheelchair hubs (best hubs on the planet.)"
>
> These are the best trike hubs on the planet:
> <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df11.jpg>,
> <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df12.jpg>,
> <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df13.jpg>. :)


Rub it in, why don't ya?

Ok, you win: Those are the sweetest hubs on the planet. Now I think I know
why you moved Heaven and Earth to obtain the rare and prized Dragonflyer.
Wow, what a machine.

> P.S. Which park was the picture taken in?


Meadowbrook, early fall, a couple of years ago. It's a beautiful place, and
great for trike riding.

> [1] Who is presumably posting anonymously because he never again wants to
> hear the words "Detroit" and Lions" used in the same sentence.


Busted! ;-)

> [2] <http://mnhpva.org/tires/451.html>.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Who misses C-U and PCC rides


PCC is wonderful.

How much do I love C-U? Perhaps this story will provide illumination.

This past summer, I interviewed in the La Jolla/San Diego CA area for my
dream job. They enthusiastically offered me the position, with a generous
salary (though not stellar). They begged me to move there and commute daily
in the best cycling climate on the planet. After the toughest decision
making process of my life, I ended up not going. There's a good reason; but
it's complex, and best not to discuss it when there's snow on the ground in
C-U. Here's a big clue, though: Ranch-style starter homes near La Jolla
cost $600,000+. I've heard that the position I turned down is still vacant.
I think I know one reason why.

Barry
 
War On Error wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>War On Error [1] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm selling my Leibold tadpole trike on Ebay.
>>>
>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7124270651 ...

>>
>>Here is what Zach Kaplan had to say about the Hudyn tires: "Hudyn HPV
>>Slick 32-451 (20x1 1/4) 6 bar (90 psi) 325 g $20 (slick, brown wall, a
>>very rare, high quality 451mm tyre, the highest quality 451mm tyre
>>available. These are no longer in production and were among the last
>>bicycle tyres produced in USA)." [2]

>
>
> Yes. They're excellent tires, and still have many miles left, thoug the
> tread cap is separating from the casing a bit after 16 years or so.
>
>
>>It is seriously un-cool to talk about the Phil Wood hubs on your trike. ;)
>>The eBay announcement even says "Front hubs are Phil Wood sealed bearing
>>wheelchair hubs (best hubs on the planet.)"
>>
>>These are the best trike hubs on the planet:
>><http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df11.jpg>,
>><http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df12.jpg>,
>><http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df13.jpg>. :)

>
>
> Rub it in, why don't ya?
>
> Ok, you win: Those are the sweetest hubs on the planet. Now I think I know
> why you moved Heaven and Earth to obtain the rare and prized Dragonflyer.
> Wow, what a machine.


A different Tom S., who also attended graduate school at UIUC in the
1990's, and worked as a bicycle mechanic for a store on Mattis, was
largely responsible for keeping the Dragonflyer out of the clutches of
Larry Varney. ;)

>>P.S. Which park was the picture taken in?

>
>
> Meadowbrook, early fall, a couple of years ago. It's a beautiful place, and
> great for trike riding.


Garden Pavilion (Race Street) parking lot?

I think my RANS Rocket knows how to find Meadowbook Park on its own, at
least on a Saturday morning.

>>[1] Who is presumably posting anonymously because he never again wants to
>>hear the words "Detroit" and Lions" used in the same sentence.

>
> Busted! ;-)


Is this you <http://www.j-harris.net/bike/ambfaq.htm#1.3.9>?

>>[2] <http://mnhpva.org/tires/451.html>.
>>
>>--
>>Tom Sherman - Who misses C-U and PCC rides

>
>
> PCC is wonderful.
>
> How much do I love C-U? Perhaps this story will provide illumination.
>
> This past summer, I interviewed in the La Jolla/San Diego CA area for my
> dream job. They enthusiastically offered me the position, with a generous
> salary (though not stellar). They begged me to move there and commute daily
> in the best cycling climate on the planet. After the toughest decision
> making process of my life, I ended up not going. There's a good reason; but
> it's complex, and best not to discuss it when there's snow on the ground in
> C-U. Here's a big clue, though: Ranch-style starter homes near La Jolla
> cost $600,000+. I've heard that the position I turned down is still vacant.
> I think I know one reason why.


I have thought about getting a Ph.D. as an excuse to move back to C-U. ;)

--
Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island
 
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> War On Error wrote:
>
>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>War On Error [1] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm selling my Leibold tadpole trike on Ebay.
>>>>
>>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7124270651 ...
>>>
>>>Here is what Zach Kaplan had to say about the Hudyn tires: "Hudyn HPV
>>>Slick 32-451 (20x1 1/4) 6 bar (90 psi) 325 g $20 (slick, brown wall, a
>>>very rare, high quality 451mm tyre, the highest quality 451mm tyre
>>>available. These are no longer in production and were among the last
>>>bicycle tyres produced in USA)." [2]

>>
>>
>> Yes. They're excellent tires, and still have many miles left, thoug the
>> tread cap is separating from the casing a bit after 16 years or so.
>>
>>
>>>It is seriously un-cool to talk about the Phil Wood hubs on your trike.
>>>;) The eBay announcement even says "Front hubs are Phil Wood sealed
>>>bearing wheelchair hubs (best hubs on the planet.)"
>>>
>>>These are the best trike hubs on the planet:
>>><http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df11.jpg>,
>>><http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df12.jpg>,
>>><http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df13.jpg>. :)

>>
>>
>> Rub it in, why don't ya?
>>
>> Ok, you win: Those are the sweetest hubs on the planet. Now I think I
>> know why you moved Heaven and Earth to obtain the rare and prized
>> Dragonflyer. Wow, what a machine.

>
> A different Tom S., who also attended graduate school at UIUC in the
> 1990's, and worked as a bicycle mechanic for a store on Mattis, was
> largely responsible for keeping the Dragonflyer out of the clutches of
> Larry Varney. ;)
>
>>>P.S. Which park was the picture taken in?

>>
>>
>> Meadowbrook, early fall, a couple of years ago. It's a beautiful place,
>> and great for trike riding.

>
> Garden Pavilion (Race Street) parking lot?


Exactly correct, as usual.

> I think my RANS Rocket knows how to find Meadowbook Park on its own, at
> least on a Saturday morning.
>
>>>[1] Who is presumably posting anonymously because he never again wants to
>>>hear the words "Detroit" and Lions" used in the same sentence.

>>
>> Busted! ;-)

>
> Is this you <http://www.j-harris.net/bike/ambfaq.htm#1.3.9>?


LOL! That's pretty funny, especially since that probably came out of a
flame war that may have only lasted a couple of weeks. It's been so long
that I had completely forgotten about it. Ironic that they should choose a
quasi-religious moniker with which to brand someone who was (indirectly)
exposing the rigid, cultish, hierarchical brand-worshipping totemism of "The
Bomberhood."

>>>[2] <http://mnhpva.org/tires/451.html>.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Tom Sherman - Who misses C-U and PCC rides

>>
>>
>> PCC is wonderful.
>>
>> How much do I love C-U? Perhaps this story will provide illumination.
>>
>> This past summer, I interviewed in the La Jolla/San Diego CA area for my
>> dream job. They enthusiastically offered me the position, with a
>> generous salary (though not stellar). They begged me to move there and
>> commute daily in the best cycling climate on the planet. After the
>> toughest decision making process of my life, I ended up not going.
>> There's a good reason; but it's complex, and best not to discuss it when
>> there's snow on the ground in C-U. Here's a big clue, though:
>> Ranch-style starter homes near La Jolla cost $600,000+. I've heard that
>> the position I turned down is still vacant. I think I know one reason
>> why.

>
> I have thought about getting a Ph.D. as an excuse to move back to C-U. ;)


It's only getting better and better, although taxes are getting pretty
high...

I recently met another C-U grad student who was offered a great job in San
Diego, and turned it down for very similar reasons to my own. We're thinking
of starting a commuter-oriented bicycle co-op. U of I's growth, together
with recent infrastructure changes, obviate the expansion of bicycle
commuting. However, the community has not provided adequate support or
advocacy programs to nurture such expansion. We would like to fill that gap
as much as possible, as a volunteer organization, without putting ourselves
in legal jeopardy on liability issues. There is much investigation left to
do before we move forward on this.

B. Sanders
 
Rocketman wrote:

> ...
> I recently met another C-U grad student who was offered a great job in San
> Diego, and turned it down for very similar reasons to my own. We're thinking
> of starting a commuter-oriented bicycle co-op. U of I's growth, together
> with recent infrastructure changes, obviate the expansion of bicycle
> commuting. However, the community has not provided adequate support or
> advocacy programs to nurture such expansion. We would like to fill that gap
> as much as possible, as a volunteer organization, without putting ourselves
> in legal jeopardy on liability issues. There is much investigation left to
> do before we move forward on this.


Barry,

I think the perfect bicycle for riding around C-U is the RANS Rocket.
The bottom bracket it low enough for easy starting and stopping,
acceleration at intersections is decent, handling is quick but
confident, and it is fast enough to minimize to the closing speed of
overtaking "autoforms" [1], [2]. The weight distribution allows for
excellent braking, which is important when riding in areas with idiot
pedestrians [3] who cross the streets everywhere BUT a marked crosswalk
or on the "Walk" light.

I have ridden on Mattis, Prospect, Neil, Lincoln, Vine, Bradley,
University, Springfield, Green, Florida/Kirby and Windsor during rush
hour traffic with no negative incidents.

The only negative reactions I have received have been in the suburban
sprawl [4] areas, and those from people in the more expensive motorized
cages who seemed to be offended at my presence, even I did not cause
them the slightest delay.

[1] A G. Danielism
[2] The insane can cross campus at high speed on Green Street by
drafting a CUMTD bus at 30+ mph. ;)
[3] Also known as UIUC undergraduate students: population ca. 27,000.
[4] I was unpleasantly surprised last spring when I was able to see
housing developments from the yard of a certain recumbent riding farmer
who lives west of Champaign. :(

--
Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island