Tall Rider/Advice



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Ryan

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I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been a
few years since I have ridden partially because of poor bike
fitment I believe. I am well above average height. 6'7" with
a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs. Proportionally my legs are
longer compared to my torso then an average person. My main
concern is finding a bike that fits correctly for me. Do you
think a custom bike will be the only route to go for me? If
so who would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about
my limit for a complete bike.

Ryan
 
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:38:07 +0000, Ryan wrote:

> I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been a
> few years since I have ridden partially because of poor
> bike fitment I believe. I am well above average height.
> 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs. Proportionally my
> legs are longer compared to my torso then an average
> person. My main concern is finding a bike that fits
> correctly for me. Do you think a custom bike will be the
> only route to go for me?

This seems likely. At your height, with the proportions you
indicated, there are very few stock frames that would be
even close to fitting you.

> If so who would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be
> about my limit for a complete bike.

There are a number of people to talk to. One would me Mark
Hickey, a denizen of these newsgroups who makes titanium
bike frames. I think his custom sizes are around $900, road,
mountain, or cross. You could then get it outfitted (Mark
can do that, too) within your budget if you use traditional
wheels (which I recommend, anyway, and with 36 spokes) and
don't go high-end on the components. http://habcycles.com

--

David L. Johnson

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RE/
>I have ridden partially because of poor bike fitment I
>believe. I am well above average height. 6'7" with a 38"
>inseam. I weigh 200 lbs. Proportionally my legs are longer
>compared to my torso then an average person. My main
>concern is finding a bike that fits correctly for me. Do
>you think a custom bike will be the only route to go for
>me? If so who would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be
>about my limit for a complete bike.

Bottom line: Maybe - Unless you're able to ride comfortably
with your bars quite a bit lower than the saddle (like 4-5"
lower...).

I'm 6'5, 37" inseam....just over the 6'3" max that XL frames
are designed for (per a Jamis rep I talked to last year).

I rode my Ellsworth Isis for several years (XL, 22"),
gradually changing things until I had something I could ride
in comfort for 2-3 hours at a time. In my case, I needed the
handlebar grip surfaces at saddle height or even an inch
above. I can ride with them lower, but after a few hours I
always wind up with a sore neck and tunnel vision. Wearing
contacts helps. It lets my lower my head a few degrees more
because I don't have the rims of the glasses in the
way...but for me the bars still need to be up there.

Eventually I got paranoid about the stem extension/handlebar
rise that I was using to achieve my position (breakage while
under way and all that...) and decided to suck it up and
spend the money for a custom frame.

Liked it so much, I did it twice: a hardtail from Curtlo and
an FS from Seven. (Actually 3 times - starting with a
hardtail from a local dealer.... But we don't want to go
there right now....)

The hardtail's dimensions grew out of what I had done to my
Ellsworth to make it comfortable. I like the result, and
enjoy riding it - but I'd probably be even happier if I'd
let the maker fit the bike to me instead of telling him what
dimensions I wanted.

I think it was about $1,200 delivered - including a Ritchey
breakdown feature and custom adjustable dropouts. That
would leave $1,300 for a build kit - maybe a more
considering you wouldn't be paying for the dropouts or the
breakdown feature.

However...

When I went for the FS, the first guy I approached didn't
respond; and the second guy's frame was just too un-
aesthetic. That left Seven.

The rationale being that I couldn't see any way to even
*touch* a custom FS for less than two grand and Seven's was
"only" $800 more. Besides it used the Maverick suspension
and it seemed like something interesting to try.

But let's be clear here: I'm really a Walgoose-level rider.
- A log that I'm not sure I can clear? Walk it every
time....no sense risking a header...
- Rock garden or hardpack? Hardpack every time.
- A $2,800 titanium frame? Some people would puke.

But, given that Habanero didn't have their FS in productin
yet, it seemed TB the only game in town. I had it made
without any decals and removed the logo from the head
tube...so maybe nobody'll notice... In the end, maybe a can
or two of Pep Boy's finest primer in different colors...

Having said that, however: I ride 4-6 times/week; and I want
to minimize my chances of joining Christopher Reeves.
There's also a feelgood factor. Even such a pathetic rider
as myself can enjoy something that clearly handles so much
better. As long as my wife doesn't find out I spent enough
on a freaking *bicycle frame* to feed an entire Somalian
village for several months, I can live with the cost as
being the lesser of two evils.

Frankly, Seven ****** me off in the beginning - and I'm
still a little ******-off at them even now. But they saved
me from myself in the end. Their thing seems to be "Trust
Us"..... I did, and it worked. I realize now that what I
perpetrated on my poor old Isis had defeated the bike's
design. Set up per Seven's recommendations, the Ellsworth
handles much better - but there's still the stem/bar
failure thing.

Seven's implementation is a whole new ballgame. That sucker
is *tight*: Easier to balance when not moving, much more
predictable when trying to weave aound things and there's no
perceptable pedal-induced bobbing...about 80% to a hardtail,
but with all benefits of an FS.

At this point, I can't distinguish between what's due to
Seven's frame, what's due to the Maverick sus system they
use, and what's from being in a more bike-friendly
position....but the whole system *does* work a lot better.

Bottom line: I'm spoiled. Wouldn't want anything *but* a
custom frame for my weird bod... and I'm only 6'5"...

Problem is the cost. A custom FS completely-built for $2,500
bottom-line? No way Jose'.

That leaves a hardtail. First place I'd go is Habanero. If
you feel that the bars need to be at or near saddle height,
I'd dig my heels in for a 6.5" or even 7" head tube. That'll
give you the height you need using 2.5" risers without an
excessive spacer stack - yet let you move down quite a bit
if you decide to lower the bar height.

--
PeteCresswell
 
"Ryan" <[email protected]> writes:

> I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been
> a few years since I have ridden partially because of
> poor bike fitment I believe. I am well above average
> height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
> Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso
> then an average person. My main concern is finding a
> bike that fits correctly for me. Do you think a custom
> bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
> would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my
> limit for a complete bike.

No, Rivendell offers large non-custom frames (66-68 cm).
Their Rambouillet and Atlantis frames are a very good value
and would come in for at or under your limit.

http://www.rivendellbicycles.com
 
> I'm 6'5, 37" inseam....just over the 6'3" max that XL
> frames are designed for (per a Jamis rep I talked to
> last year).

Specialized has XXL sizes. You/Ryan may want to see if
they'd fit.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training
 
RE/
>No, Rivendell offers large non-custom frames (66-68 cm).
>Their Rambouillet and Atlantis frames are a very good value
>and would come in for at or under your limit.
>
>http://www.rivendellbicycles.com

Oops... my apologies to the original poster. I has jumped
over to this thread from the MTB group and didn't realize it
wasn't still in that group. Hence my MTB-centric rant...
--
PeteCresswell
 
RE/
>> I'm 6'5, 37" inseam....just over the 6'3" max that XL
>> frames are designed for (per a Jamis rep I talked to
>> last year).
>
>Specialized has XXL sizes. You/Ryan may want to see if
>they'd fit.

No, I definately *do not* want to look....if it turns out
they're a fit, in light of what I just spent; I'm gonna bag
work, go home, climb into bed turn the electric blanket up
to 9, and assume a foetal position for about a week.
--
PeteCresswell
 
Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Ryan" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> > I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been
> > a few years since I have ridden partially because of
> > poor bike fitment I believe. I am well above average
> > height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
> > Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso
> > then an average person. My main concern is finding a
> > bike that fits correctly for me. Do you think a custom
> > bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
> > would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my
> > limit for a complete bike.
>
> No, Rivendell offers large non-custom frames (66-68 cm).
> Their Rambouillet and Atlantis frames are a very good
> value and would come in for at or under your limit.
>
> http://www.rivendellbicycles.com

Good suggestion. But OP is "leggy", so the length of
Rivendell's top tubes could be an issue.

At 6'3", most of it in the legs, I'm sympathetic. But I'm
very happy with my new ride, which is essentially a 63cm
frame with a 57cm top tube. Yes it's custom. Specifically
Chas Roberts (UK) with mostly Centaur components. All in
about $2100, even with lousy dollar/sterling exchange rates.

Peter Storey
 
Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Ryan" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> > I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been
> > a few years since I have ridden partially because of
> > poor bike fitment I believe. I am well above average
> > height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
> > Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso
> > then an average person. My main concern is finding a
> > bike that fits correctly for me. Do you think a custom
> > bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
> > would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my
> > limit for a complete bike.
>
> No, Rivendell offers large non-custom frames (66-68 cm).
> Their Rambouillet and Atlantis frames are a very good
> value and would come in for at or under your limit.
>
> http://www.rivendellbicycles.com

Good suggestion. But OP is "leggy", so the length of
Rivendell's top tubes could be an issue.

At 6'3", most of it in the legs, I'm sympathetic. But I'm
very happy with my new ride, which is essentially a 63cm
frame with a 57cm top tube. Yes it's custom. Specifically
Chas Roberts (UK) with mostly Centaur components. All in
about $2100, even with lousy dollar/sterling exchange rates.

Peter Storey
 
"Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:zBeGc.26285$a24.6051@attbi_s03...
> I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been
> a few years since I have ridden partially because of
> poor bike fitment I believe. I am well above average
> height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
> Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso
> then an average person. My main concern is finding a
> bike that fits correctly for me. Do you think a custom
> bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
> would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my
> limit for a complete bike.

I'd say you're likely to be fit well with a 63 cm frame,
provided you find a good shop to set you up. I think that
large tube aluminum bikes are particularly well suited to
tall riders because of their lateral rigidly. I would look
at bikes like Cannondale or Klein. If you're looking for a
flexible bike that can do it all, check out touring bikes,
they'll take more sizes of tires, fenders, etc., plus the
longer wheelbase provides more stability for the taller
rider. I'm 6'10" and ride a 68 cm Cannondale touring bike,
it works for everything from ultra-cycling to time trialing.

I wouldn't bother going custom, unless you're interested in
something exotic (which I wouldn't recommend until you have
more miles in). If you get steel, you might as well just
buy an old, nice, 25" frame (the older ones tend to have
shorter toptubes, which would fit you well), and put a nice
new group on
it. That would be much cheaper (such frames are almost
free), and if you get a custom later, you can just move
the components over.
 
messiah-<< My main concern is finding a bike that fits
correctly for me. Do you think a custom bike will be the
only route to go for me? If so who would you recommend?
$2,000 - $2,500 would be about my limit for a complete bike.
>><BR><BR>

get a fit and go to a Waterford dealer-$2500 bike for you
would be easy-Veloce double or triple, hand made wheels,
etc, if you came to me.

Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali
costruite eccezionalmente bene"
 
"Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<zBeGc.26285$a24.6051@attbi_s03>...
> I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been
> a few years since I have ridden partially because of
> poor bike fitment I believe. I am well above average
> height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
> Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso
> then an average person. My main concern is finding a
> bike that fits correctly for me. Do you think a custom
> bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
> would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my
> limit for a complete bike.

Custom frames in the US seem very pricey, you get much
better deals in the UK and you don't have to pay the sales
tax! I know Mercian cycles sel a lot of frames to US
customers.

I've actually managed to shoehorn my 16yr old (6'7", 40"
inseam) onto a stock frame with extreme difficulty. I'm not
going to get him a custom frame until I'm sure he's stopped
growing. I went for a cyclocross bike with very high bottom
bracket (to fit 21cm cranks), 60cm top-tube, a 15 cm stem, a
400mm seatpost, wide bottom bracket so that his size 17 feet
miss the rear derailleur. He loves it!

LGF
 
"Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been a
> few years since I have ridden partially because of poor
> bike fitment I believe. I am well above average height.
> 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs. Proportionally my
> legs are longer compared to my torso then an average
> person. My main concern is finding a bike that fits
> correctly for me. Do you think a custom bike will be the
> only route to go for me?

No, you can do fine with commercially available frames if
you and your dealer are willing to swap out a few
components. You'll likely need a stem with more rise and
extension than stock, perhaps a longer seatpost depending
on the frame height and the original seatpost size. I'm
taller than you are and about twice as heavy now, but your
fit concerns are similar to those I faced in my first few
years of riding. I always managed to make do nicely with
stock frames.

A good starting point for saddle height is 1.09 times your
barefoot standing inseam, measured from the saddle top to
the pedal top at maximum extension. Start with your
handlebars approximately level with the saddle and adjust
from there according to your tastes and abilities.

Horizontal extension from seat to bars is somewhat arbitrary
and mostly a matter of taste, but I find that if my (flat)
handlebars are anywhere close to one cubit (elbow to
fingertips) from the saddle nose, I feel too confined to
ride hard. I usually opt for about 3" to 4" more than this.
I mention this measure because it used to be an old-timer's
rule of thumb for fitting a drop-bar bike.

In days of yore, you rode the tallest frame you could stand
over (or whichever one left you with a "fistful" of seatpost
exposed), and fitted it with a stem that had a horizontal
extension enough for your fingertips rested on the
handlebars when your elbow was on the saddle nose.

These fit methods are occasionally faulty, and increased
variety of frame and component shapes have rendered such
conventional wisdom even less reliable, but they are not
entirely without merit. They can help with the primary
undertaking, which is establishing an effective spatial
relationship between the bars, saddle, and pedals. The
secondary geometrical relationship is between those three
points and the contact patches of the tires, which dictates
some of the bike's handling qualities.

The shapes of the bike frame and components that give you
these primary and secondary geometrical characteristics are
less important, which is why bikes that appear wildly
different can function basically the same from a rider
standpoint.

> If so who would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be
> about my limit for a complete bike.

Rivendell make a bike called the Redwood in 65cm and 68cm,
intended for tall riders and using quite traditional rider
position and fit principles, that sells new and complete for
around $1500. That would be a decent choice if you don't
mind spending some money. http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/-
html/bikes_romulusframes.html

I would definitely refrain from spending more than that
until you've developed some personal opinions on what works
well for you and what doesn't. For instance, I have found
that I prefer longer cranks than those available on stock
bikes, or those compatible with low bottom bracket heights.
There are many tall riders who like short cranks just fine,
though. A rider my height who likes 170mm cranks has a very
different set of options in suitable bike frames than I do
if I want to use 200mm cranks.

As you develop opinions about what you like or dislike,
must or must not have in a bike, that in turn will
determine whether you must have a custom-built frame to
suit your preferences. But first you should put in lots of
miles on a regular bike so you can figure those things out
for yourself.

Chalo Colina
 
Peter Cole wrote:
> "Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:zBeGc.26285$a24.6051@attbi_s03...
>
>>I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been
>>a few years since I have ridden partially because of
>>poor bike fitment I believe. I am well above average
>>height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
>>Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso
>>then an average person. My main concern is finding a
>>bike that fits correctly for me. Do you think a custom
>>bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
>>would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my
>>limit for a complete bike.
>
>
> I'd say you're likely to be fit well with a 63 cm frame,
> provided you find a good shop to set you up. I think that
> large tube aluminum bikes are particularly well suited to
> tall riders because of their lateral rigidly. I would look
> at bikes like Cannondale or Klein. If you're looking for a
> flexible bike that can do it all, check out touring bikes,
> they'll take more sizes of tires, fenders, etc., plus the
> longer wheelbase provides more stability for the taller
> rider. I'm 6'10" and ride a 68 cm Cannondale touring bike,
> it works for everything from ultra-cycling to time
> trialing.

i second that! i'm 6'5", 35/36" inseam & ride a 61 big tube
aluminum bianchi. very stable. big tubes are /definitely/
the way to go for large frames.

>
> I wouldn't bother going custom, unless you're interested
> in something exotic (which I wouldn't recommend until you
> have more miles in). If you get steel, you might as well
> just buy an old, nice, 25" frame (the older ones tend to
> have shorter toptubes, which would fit you well), and put
> a nice new group on
> it. That would be much cheaper (such frames are almost
> free), and if you get a custom later, you can just
> move the components over.