Taylor Phinney Article

Carl Sundquist said:

"Colin Campbell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I was a volunteer at the World Cup in LA. I worked the "morning"
session on Friday, which was originally scheduled to begin at 11:30AM.
Due to the unprecedented number of riders registered, that session was
rescheduled to begin at 9AM. I left the "morning" session with the
last race still running at 5:40PM, twenty minutes before spectators
for the "evening" session were scheduled to be admitted.

So I believe your rant about very few showing up, even fewer in an
Olympic year, can be discounted as the ravings of someone who doesn't
check his facts.

It is true that some of the British sprinters skipped this World Cup
event.

Colin,

Don't overlap quantity with quality. As you noted, not all of the top
tier riders participated in the event. That can be for a number of
reasons: riders may have a contractual obligation to be elsewhere, they
may (as noted by the emotionally track-conflicted MG) be in a training
cycle that is not conducive to travel or a particular training block (it
was six weeks out from Worlds), national teams may be trying to qualify
additional spots for Worlds, or teams may be sending riders for
experience development.

Also, I tend to think that the world cups were designed partially with
the expectation that not all top tier riders would attend all of the
world cups.

If you are ramping up for the grand pooh-bah event of your lifetime -
Beijing Olympics in August....you would never want to be going hard
right now. It's simply too early.

If you are going hard now, you are risking burnout or stagnation by
August.

Trust me, Phinney will not medal in Beijing and then he - and all his
vicarious phans in here - will have another 4 years to think about how
the gorilla called it right once again.

Until you can show me photos of Jack Nicholson or Demi Moore sitting in
the stands at the Home Depot track in LA, it's just an indoor gerbil
wheel outside the city limits of LA to keep the leprosy from infecting
the chosen people of that area: celebrities.

The problem with Americans is they get retarded about the Olympics and
they get even more retarded about thinking Americsn are better athletes
than they really are. Taylor Phinney will pull a Bode Miller at the
Olympics, except he won't have any endorsements from Nike to fall back on.

Mark my great ape words,

Magilla

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So I'm not sure how impressed I should really be.

Boardman rode a 4:11 and that was over 12 years ago. Phinney won't get
that much better.

I'm not disagreeing with you about TP, but Boardman rode what was a world
record in '92 with a 4:23. Who would have predicted that he could (with
partial thanks to Obree) drop another 12 seconds?

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If you are ramping up for the grand pooh-bah event of your lifetime -
Beijing Olympics in August....you would never want to be going hard right
now. It's simply too early.

There are two problems with his "ramp-up": He doesn't know what his limits
or expectations (time-wise) are. Since this is all new to him, it's
difficult to establish realistic time goals for him. His handlers can
predict that the fastest time will probably be in the 4:14 to 4:16 range,
but they have no idea how close he can get to that in the next 6 months or
the best way to get him there. Next year he will have a far better defined
baseline from which to draw up goals and training regimens.

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If you are going hard now, you are risking burnout or stagnation by
August.

You're right, but in an atypical way. TP has no idea what he is -or isn't-
capable of. That can work in his favor. However, it also means that without
a baseline it's exceedingly difficult to fine tune his optimal performance
and errors of mis-coaching would be likely be more costly.

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Trust me, Phinney will not medal in Beijing and then he - and all his
vicarious phans in here - will have another 4 years to think about how the
gorilla called it right once again.

Has anyone in here posted that they believe that he will medal?

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>If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
>riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
>years ago. He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
>to the elite cats.

>You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
>shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
>parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. All the difference in
>the world.

Everybody I brought up had parents. It's an undisputed fact.

After the WC in Oz, a friend of mine emailed me and asked about TP. I didn't
know much so I googled. He and Davis rode the 50 mile version of Tour of
Tucson in 2000 when Taylor was 10 years old.
http://perimeterbicycling.com/!ETT/ETT00-50.htm Didn't win of course, but it
would be a stretch to classify a 10 year old presumably traveling 800 miles
to ride a 50 mile event as "very recreationally at best".

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I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about
Poppy-[censored]?

As we both know, Evanshine didn't just win Jr Worlds then implode. There
were signs of trouble along the way. I was perepheral to the situation, but
IIRC his parents were a bit overindulgent and he was lacking some discipline
that he should have been able to acquire in the military.

FWIW, how many "next big deals" can you reasonably expect to actually turn
out to be a true "big deal"? All of them? Of course not. Your measure for
(other people's) success is an incredibly harsh one. How close have have you
come to meeting your own standards?

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The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.

Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado.

It is? Who didn't show up for Jr Worlds that was eligible and competitive?

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Most of the Olympic medal
contenders for the pursuit don't even want to be good right now because
it's a waste of time, money, and emotions.

Time? Maybe.
Money? Why should they care? It's not their dime.
Emotions? You're joking, right?

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The problem with you people who live in Colorado is you're all so
nearsighted and you inflate the future of everybody who shows even the
slightest glimpse of talent.

Tom Danielson, Katie Compton, Jeff Evanshine, Taylor Phinney....there's a
pattern of writing checks you can't cover with these predictions.

Evanshine was a SoCal guy.

Carl Sundquist said:

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So I'm not sure how impressed I should really be.

Boardman rode a 4:11 and that was over 12 years ago. Phinney won't
get that much better.

I'm not disagreeing with you about TP, but Boardman rode what was a
world record in '92 with a 4:23. Who would have predicted that he could
(with partial thanks to Obree) drop another 12 seconds?

Anybdy who wants to win an Olympic medal better be going faster than the
blokes from Barcelona.

Ceramic bearings, more extensive wind tunnel testing, living at altitude
....Taylor Phinney has a lot of advantages over Boardman.

I figure a pursuiter will need to do a 4:15 or better to win a medal in
Beijing.

Plus if Phinney plans on going sober to Chinatown, he won't be able to
top the EPO and blood dopers. Somebody needs to inform Phinney that the
Spanish and Aussie track team didn't sign up for ACE testing. So while
that looks fine and dandy to Anorexic Drew Carey and Team High Horse, it
won't let you hear your national anthem in August while wearing a crown
of thorns.

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Thanks,

Magilla

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>I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
>imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
>to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about
>Poppy-[censored]?

BTW, I don't think you can classify any of your other three as having
imploded. IMO, if you want to add another person who imploded, you might
think about Grewal.

Carl Sundquist said:

"Colin Campbell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I was a volunteer at the World Cup in LA. I worked the "morning"
session on Friday, which was originally scheduled to begin at 11:30AM.
Due to the unprecedented number of riders registered, that session was
rescheduled to begin at 9AM. I left the "morning" session with the
last race still running at 5:40PM, twenty minutes before spectators
for the "evening" session were scheduled to be admitted.

So I believe your rant about very few showing up, even fewer in an
Olympic year, can be discounted as the ravings of someone who doesn't
check his facts.

It is true that some of the British sprinters skipped this World Cup
event.

Colin,

Don't overlap quantity with quality. As you noted, not all of the top
tier riders participated in the event. That can be for a number of
reasons: riders may have a contractual obligation to be elsewhere, they
may (as noted by the emotionally track-conflicted MG) be in a training
cycle that is not conducive to travel or a particular training block (it
was six weeks out from Worlds), national teams may be trying to qualify
additional spots for Worlds, or teams may be sending riders for
experience development.

Also, I tend to think that the world cups were designed partially with
the expectation that not all top tier riders would attend all of the
world cups.

All valid points. I always think how much it would cost to get to all
four World Cup track meets. When we had to go to the velodrome for
volunteer orientation, two weeks before the WC, the Polish National Team
was already there. They participated in the local races that day,
leaving only crumbs for the local racers. Where does Poland get the
money for something like three weeks (or longer, I don't know when the
Poles arrived) out of the country? I know the Euro is strong, but....

I'd have to check, but I think the French and Germans, among others,
brought their best riders to LA.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Carl Sundquist said:

"Colin Campbell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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I was a volunteer at the World Cup in LA. I worked the "morning" session
on Friday, which was originally scheduled to begin at 11:30AM. Due to the
unprecedented number of riders registered, that session was rescheduled to
begin at 9AM. I left the "morning" session with the last race still
running at 5:40PM, twenty minutes before spectators for the "evening"
session were scheduled to be admitted.
So I believe your rant about very few showing up, even fewer in an Olympic
year, can be discounted as the ravings of someone who doesn't check his
facts.
It is true that some of the British sprinters skipped this World Cup
event.

Colin,

Don't overlap quantity with quality. As you noted, not all of the top tier
riders participated in the event. That can be for a number of reasons:
riders may have a contractual obligation to be elsewhere, they may (as noted
by the emotionally track-conflicted MG) be in a training cycle that is not
conducive to travel or a particular training block (it was six weeks out
from Worlds), national teams may be trying to qualify additional spots for
Worlds, or teams may be sending riders for experience development.

Also, I tend to think that the world cups were designed partially with the
expectation that not all top tier riders would attend all of the world cups.

Have you ever ridden on a track before? From what I can gather, it
doesn't seem like you have.

thanks,

John Hansen

Has Carl Sundquist ever ridden the track? Maybe you'd better go to
USACycling.org and do a search on his name. If my memory is correct, I
watched him take a victory lap (at Blaine Minn.?) laying on his stomach
on the saddle, feet straight out behind him, and pedaling with one hand
while steering with the other. (What is that event called, anyway, Carl?)

Have _I_ ever ridden the track? Yes, since 1991, when I was a mere
stripling of 48. I've never distinguished myself, except by losing races.

Carl Sundquist said:

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>
>> If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
>> riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
>> years ago. He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
>> to the elite cats.
>
>
>> You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
>> shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
>> parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. All the difference in
>> the world.
>
>
> Everybody I brought up had parents. It's an undisputed fact.

After the WC in Oz, a friend of mine emailed me and asked about TP. I
didn't know much so I googled. He and Davis rode the 50 mile version of
Tour of Tucson in 2000 when Taylor was 10 years old.
http://perimeterbicycling.com/!ETT/ETT00-50.htm Didn't win of course,
but it would be a stretch to classify a 10 year old presumably traveling
800 miles to ride a 50 mile event as "very recreationally at best".

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>
> I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
> imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was
> suppose
> to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about
> Poppy-[censored]?

As we both know, Evanshine didn't just win Jr Worlds then implode. There
were signs of trouble along the way. I was perepheral to the situation,
but IIRC his parents were a bit overindulgent and he was lacking some
discipline that he should have been able to acquire in the military.

FWIW, how many "next big deals" can you reasonably expect to actually
turn out to be a true "big deal"? All of them? Of course not. Your
measure for (other people's) success is an incredibly harsh one. How
close have have you come to meeting your own standards?

Evanshine implosion began after he missed the random dope test after the
Freehold race in June of 1992. Him and his Greg LeMond-like
narcicisstic dad raised Caine with USAC but it did no good and he was
excluded from qualifying for the Barcelona road team. Although he went
on to ride with Saturn, Evanshine never recovered from that Olympic
exclusion and he ultimately quit the sport over it.

The reality is Evanshine's win at junior worlds road was never
indicative of his actual talent relative to all the other top pros.
Winning junior worlds was a false indicator of talent but because he was
from Colorado and American, Evenshine and his camp had it in their
myopic minds that you coud extrapolate a future of gold medals and Tour
de France stuffed lions from that one lucky day in Colorado.

The reality is junior worlds is a [censored] race that means nothing.
Eventually, reality spoiled his delusion.

Magilla

In article <[email hidden]>,

MagillaGorilla said:

Taylor Phinney will pull a Bode Miller at the
Olympics, except he won't have any endorsements from Nike to fall back on.

Mark my great ape words,

Marked, and you are wrong, wrong, wrong. This is Bode Miller.

³It does matter that it¹s the Olympics. I just did it
my way. I¹m not a martyr, and I¹m not a do-gooder. I
just want to go out and rock. And man, I rocked here.²

People said, ŒWhy can¹t you stay in for the two weeks,
three weeks? You¹ve got the rest of your life to
experience the games the way everybody else does.¹ But
I like the whole package. I always have.²

³People want athletes to cater to their image of what
an athlete should be, but they also want them to fail
so they can feel like their screwups are all right. If
I make a priority shift, I¹ll make it because it¹s best
for me.²

³The same people who recognize I came out with no
medals should recognize I could have won three.²

Q: Are performance-enhancing drugs hurting sports?

A: What do you call aspirin? What do you call Creatine?
What do you call vitamin C? Those are all the same
thing. It's not any different than anything else. I
don't know why everybody takes issue with [steroids].

I think they should not worry about it and let athletes
do what they want to do - to be in proper training,
proper diet. I wish the most performance-enhancing
stuff on everybody in their life. I would wish you to
enhance your performance as much as you could.
Something that kills or causes bodily harm, that's not
performance-enhancing

Q: So you never worried that your competitors in skiing
could be taking something and have on edge on you?

A: Couldn't care less. It doesn't matter to me.

--
Michael Press

Carl Sundquist said:

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The problem with you people who live in Colorado is you're all so
nearsighted and you inflate the future of everybody who shows even the
slightest glimpse of talent.

Tom Danielson, Katie Compton, Jeff Evanshine, Taylor
Phinney....there's a pattern of writing checks you can't cover with
these predictions.

Evanshine was a SoCal guy.

Evinrude was weaned on the mother nipple of Colorado Springs.

Magilla

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>> I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
>> imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was
>> suppose
>> to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about
>> Poppy-[censored]?

BTW, I don't think you can classify any of your other three as having
imploded. IMO, if you want to add another person who imploded, you might
think about Grewal.

Well, Grewal went all God and [censored] because he got his ass handed to him
when he went over to Europe and realized that Euro-racing was tougher
than an all-amateur BOYCOTTED Olympics. Once again, winning a gold
medal in a meaningless race was blown out of proportion.

Athletes have too many yes-people around them, and it comes back to
haunt them.

Grewal kind of just faded away...I'm not sure he ever imploded. Even
when he got kicked off the 7-Eleven team, he rode for several years
after that.

Whereas Evinrude just up and quit one day.

Magilla

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If you are ramping up for the grand pooh-bah event of your lifetime -
Beijing Olympics in August....you would never want to be going hard
right now. It's simply too early.

There are two problems with his "ramp-up": He doesn't know what his
limits or expectations (time-wise) are. Since this is all new to him,
it's difficult to establish realistic time goals for him. His handlers
can predict that the fastest time will probably be in the 4:14 to 4:16
range, but they have no idea how close he can get to that in the next 6
months or the best way to get him there. Next year he will have a far
better defined baseline from which to draw up goals and training regimens.

Next year isn't the Olympics though. And 4 years is an awful long time
to have to wait to ride in circles again on TV.

If Phinney doesn't win a medal in Beijing this year, he's gonna implode
once Doug Ellis decides to pull his Wall Street money from that sinkhole
Slipsemen.

Maybe he can write children's books like Erin Mirabella?

Thanks,

Magilla

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Carl Sundquist said:

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If you are ramping up for the grand pooh-bah event of your lifetime -
Beijing Olympics in August....you would never want to be going hard
right now. It's simply too early.

There are two problems with his "ramp-up": He doesn't know what his
limits or expectations (time-wise) are. Since this is all new to him,
it's difficult to establish realistic time goals for him. His handlers
can predict that the fastest time will probably be in the 4:14 to 4:16
range, but they have no idea how close he can get to that in the next 6
months or the best way to get him there. Next year he will have a far
better defined baseline from which to draw up goals and training
regimens.

Next year isn't the Olympics though. And 4 years is an awful long time to
have to wait to ride in circles again on TV.

If Phinney doesn't win a medal in Beijing this year, he's gonna implode
once Doug Ellis decides to pull his Wall Street money from that sinkhole
Slipsemen.

Maybe he can write children's books like Erin Mirabella?

Nice strawman.

The point is, nobody knows whether he is going hard right now or not.

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>>> I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
>>> imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was
>>> suppose
>>> to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about
>>> Poppy-[censored]?

BTW, I don't think you can classify any of your other three as having
imploded. IMO, if you want to add another person who imploded, you might
think about Grewal.

Well, Grewal went all God and [censored] because he got his ass handed to him
when he went over to Europe and realized that Euro-racing was tougher than
an all-amateur BOYCOTTED Olympics. Once again, winning a gold medal in a
meaningless race was blown out of proportion.

Athletes have too many yes-people around them, and it comes back to haunt
them.

Grewal kind of just faded away...I'm not sure he ever imploded. Even when
he got kicked off the 7-Eleven team, he rode for several years after that.

Whereas Evinrude just up and quit one day.

Magilla

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Well, Grewal went all God and [censored] because he got his ass handed to him
when he went over to Europe and realized that Euro-racing was tougher than
an all-amateur BOYCOTTED Olympics. Once again, winning a gold medal in a
meaningless race was blown out of proportion.

How was it meaningless? If Grewal hadn't won, would he still have gotten a
contract with Panasonic? If Bauer had won, people would have viewed the Oly
RR as a stepping stone to a rather successful pro career.

Are we going back to that "only stage races are truly valid bike races" [censored]
again?

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Athletes have too many yes-people around them, and it comes back to haunt
them.

Why limit it to athletes? Virtually everyone who shows prodigal or
exceptional talent gets fawned over. It could be music, academics, or
anything else.

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Grewal kind of just faded away...I'm not sure he ever imploded. Even when
he got kicked off the 7-Eleven team, he rode for several years after that.

Whereas Evinrude just up and quit one day.

We'll have to differ if imploding has to be an immediate thing or if it can
be a slower, drawn out thing. I believe it can be slower. Do you think Meat
imploded?

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Has Carl Sundquist ever ridden the track? Maybe you'd better go to
USACycling.org and do a search on his name. If my memory is correct, I
watched him take a victory lap (at Blaine Minn.?) laying on his stomach on
the saddle, feet straight out behind him, and pedaling with one hand while
steering with the other. (What is that event called, anyway, Carl?)

Have _I_ ever ridden the track? Yes, since 1991, when I was a mere
stripling of 48. I've never distinguished myself, except by losing races.

It's an old rbr joke. John Hansen, aka Hansen Brother #1, once asked Shaun
Wallace if he had ever ridden a fixed gear.

BTW, I held the handlebar with both hands and coasted. I never tried to hold
it with one hand and pedal with the other. Would have been cool though.

ronaldo_jeremiah said:

On Jan 26, 10:25 pm, Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]>

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You're thinking Lemond (silver medal, 1979). Hampsten also took a
silver at Junior Worlds (1980, TTT).

Bob Schwartz

No, I'm not. Hampsten rode the pursuit in 1980 at the Junior Worlds
in Mexico City. He rode 3:40 for 3K.

The pacing of his ride is reviewed in detail in a track training
manual written by Norman Sheil.

Sho' nuf, page 66.

The results listing in the back: http://www.cvccbike.com/7-11gp/ip.html
doesn't even show him.

Bob Schwartz

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> The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
> Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.
>
> Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
> like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado.

It is? Who didn't show up for Jr Worlds that was eligible and competitive?

Lots of guys who go on to be top pros do not race as juniors or simply
don't ride seriously as juniors.

Evanshine was merely the biggest fish in a small pond. Junior racing is
an illusion; it has shallow competition and top talent rarely rises to
the top in the junior ranks. Michael Jordan wasn't a stand-out
basketball player when he was under 18.

If you don't believe me that junior palmares are bogus, just ask Magen
Long.

She was the most decorated junior women in the history of the United
States, and quit the sport by her 21st birthday (once she found out all
those trophies she collected in her closet were meaningless and based on
dumbed-down junior competition).

Magilla

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>>> I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
>>> imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was
>>> suppose
>>> to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about
>>> Poppy-[censored]?

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BTW, I don't think you can classify any of your other three as having
imploded. IMO, if you want to add another person who imploded, you might
think about Grewal.

Well, Grewal went all God and [censored] because he got his ass handed to him
when he went over to Europe and realized that Euro-racing was tougher
than an all-amateur BOYCOTTED Olympics. Once again, winning a gold
medal in a meaningless race was blown out of proportion.

Athletes have too many yes-people around them, and it comes back to
haunt them.

Grewal kind of just faded away...I'm not sure he ever imploded. Even
when he got kicked off the 7-Eleven team, he rode for several years
after that.

Whereas Evinrude just up and quit one day.

Magilla

Dumbass,

What stopped Grewal was rolling his jeep in James Canyon. He never
fully recovered from the injuries.

Bret