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::: Ryan Cousineau <
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:::::: Rich Clark wrote:
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::::::::: I was watching last night, and being that this is the first
::::::::: TdF I have really paid any attention too, just noticed that
::::::::: there are no women riders. I looked at the offical TdF website
::::::::: and didn't see anything that mentioned that riders must be
::::::::: male. Is it an "un-written" rule. Or did I just miss where it
::::::::: said that on the website? Surely there must be at least a few
::::::::: female cyclist that would be capable of competing at this
::::::::: level.
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:::::::: I don't believe there are any rules about that, as such.
::::::::
:::::::: But remember, this is a professional team sport. Teams choose
:::::::: their riders based on their ability to contribute to winning.
:::::::: If a competitive woman rider were available to a team that
:::::::: could use her particular skills, she could very well be offered
:::::::: a job.
::::::::
:::::::: But such a woman would probably be the top woman rider in the
:::::::: world. Tough to give that up just to be a domestique on a
:::::::: "men's" team, although it would probably pay better.
::::::
:::::: If a top woman rider were to get on a TdF competitive team, that
:::::: would do wonders for women's cycling.
:::::
::::: Even in a technique-oriented sport like golf, the best women in
::::: the world can't come close to seriously competing with top men.
::::: Michelle Wie and Annika Sorenstam have trouble making the cuts at
::::: men's tournaments.
:::::
::::: In a power-oriented sport like cycling, it's not even that close.
::::: Let's take a look at some times, these from the 2004 Olympics:
:::::
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:::
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/olympics04/?id=results/road_women_tt
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/olympics04/?id=results/road_men_tt
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::::: Note especially the finishing times for the 24 km women's TT, and
::::: the 24km timing splits for the men's TT. In this event the
::::: fastest woman would have finished last at the 24 km mark in the
::::: men's TT. Except that the men were pacing for a 48 km TT, not a
::::: 24.
:::
::: I think your math got off...the fastest woman would have beat the
::: slowest guy at 24km, but my only a small margin. Your point is
::: made.
:::
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::::: It appears the course for both races was a 24 km out-and-back
::::: route, but the men did 2 laps to the women's one. That makes the
::::: times especially comparable. This is also an event where we can
::::: fairly assume that the
::::: men and women both would have been world-class fields.
:::::
::::: I found some results from the Cascade Classic TT stage this year,
::::: a race in which the women, if anything, are likely to be
::::: relatively more world-class than the men's field. The top women
::::: would have finished
::::: below mid-pack in the elite men, and would not have challenged for
::::: top positions in the Men's Cat 2/3 (ie: mid-level amateur men)
::::: field.
:::
::: Obviously, men still generate greater power/weight ratios.
::: However, I thought women were supposed to have better endurance.
::: Maybe racing is not an endurance event...
:::
:::
:::
:: Would you consider the Boston Marathon to be an endurance event?
::
::
http://www.bostonmarathon.org/BostonMarathon/Default.asp
::
:: Men's Open:
:: Hailu Negussie (Ethiopia), 2:11:45
:: Women's Open:
:: Catherine Ndereba (Kenya), 2:25:13
:: Men's Masters:
:: Joshua Kipkemboi (Kenya), 2:19:28
:: Women's Masters:
:: Madina Biktagirova (Russia), 2:32:41
:: Men's Wheelchair:
:: Ernst Van Dyk (South Africa), 1:24:11
:: Women's Wheelchair:
:: Cheri Blauwet (United States), 1:47:45
::
:: Men are stronger and faster than women.
Notice that the men's
:: masters winner was faster than the women's open winner, so he was
:: older than she.
I'm not arguing the point that men are stronger and faster than women.
However, I *thought* it was *supposed* to be that women in general are
better at endurance events than men (one reason might be that they are
generally lighter). I'm not saying that's true, BTW.
When you look at the times of the finishers in the marathon, I'd have to
wonder how the results would look if the score was based on how far each
participant could run in a continual (pee, food and water breaks allowed)
effort, rather than how fast they can run a fixed distance. Obviously,
these folks can run 26 miles quite easily. Thus, it's not really a test of
endurance for them anymore, so it becomes a question of how fast they can
go. It seems, anyway.
Compared to sprinting, I do consider a marathon an endurance event.
However, for these athletes, I'm not convinced it really is so much a test
of endurnace anymore.