TDF Stage 4 Tours - Blois TTT : Spoiler

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  1. Ullefan

    Ullefan New Member

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    The team tactic was for Steinhauser and Schreck to give it 100% in the first 50km, they're just excess weight in the final part espcially as it goes uphill. Musette you always must find something to criticise don't you?
     


  2. Lonnie Utah

    Lonnie Utah Banned

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    The Eurosport guys said they don't apply even in the last Km.

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  3. musette

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    Hmm, that's correct re: Stainhauser being deliberately shed. T-Mobile now indicates: "Three kilometres later, Tobias Steinhauser dropped off the back, a victim of his own pace making. "It was planned that Tobias would sacrifice himself in the earlier part of the course, take some big turns at the front and keep the tempo high for as long as he could," said Ludwig. Significantly, T-Mobile shed two more riders in the last few kilometres, coming home with six, whereas all nine Disco boys finished together."

    From cyclingnews live coverage (approx times):

    3:40 p.m. (15:40) - T-Mobile starts off

    16:31 CEST
    Tobias Steinhauser (TMO) is dropped.

    Around 50 minutes into the 1.10.39 ride (using DC's faster time), Steinhauser gets shed.

    The 1 km rule definitely applies to TTT. The regular rule for other stages (except obviously ITT) is now 3 km, but for TTT, it's 1 km. That was added in response to Simoni arguments he got a separate time last year because he fell in the final parts.
     
  4. gpriatko

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    When two riders have the same time, but one rider wins the stage, the jersey goes to the stage winner.

    IOW, Discovery won the stage so Armstrong gets yellow even if he has the same time as Zabriskie.
     
  5. tcklyde

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    That was terrible. A great TTT marred by the worst possible crash: the yellow jersey crashing just outside 1 km. If he hadn't crashed CSC might have come in a second or two faster. Whatever the case, I was so disappointed to see this, both for CSC and Zabriskie.

    T-Mobile and Liberty were wonderful. Discovery excellent, not surprisingly. Phonak looked out of practise on TTT...
     
  6. Bjorn P.Dal

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    I noticed when he crossed the finish line with a final 'thrust' several drops left his face.
     
  7. rejobako

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    I saw the same thing happen in a porno I watched with my wife last night. Is Armstrong related to Peter North?
     
  8. wolfix

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    I didn't actually see the TT that close, but it is my understanding that Lance had some extremly long pulls at the front. If that was the case, he must have wanted the last TT he rode real bad. Maybe he thought he could catch Ullrich again and pass him. Maybe after Sherwin's comments the other day , he wanted to catch the "strawberry" again and share it with his teammates.
     
  9. Ted B

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    He could be. After all, both are renowned for their impressive finishes...
     
  10. limerickman

    limerickman Moderator

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    Sean Kelly and David Harmon on Eurosport both quoted the TTT rule book saying "that if DZ had fallen within the last 1000metres he would have been accorded the CSC finish time (that is the time of the fifth CSC rider crossing the finish
    line), However because DZ fell before the final 1000 metre mark, he can't have the same time recorded as his team mates who crossed the finish line ".

    They're the rules folks.
     
  11. limerickman

    limerickman Moderator

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    The time difference on Eurosport today showed that Discovery beat the CSC time by 1.97 seconds, in the TTT.

    DZ had two seconds to spare on LA before the start of todays stage : so if DZ had fallen within the final 1000 metres, he would still be in Yellow tonight, because 1.97 secs, isn't 2 secs.
    It's an academic discussion anyhow because DZ fell before 1,000 metre mark.
     
  12. whiteboytrash

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    Nice return of serve ! :eek:) Armstrong only has one ball so couldn't really compare him to the great Peter North.....

     
  13. ilpirata

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    lim, It is quite possible that had he not fallen, his team would have finished first. That would not only keep him in yellow but would be a nice feather for the sponsor.
     
  14. limerickman

    limerickman Moderator

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    I reckon CSC would have won the TTT if he had stayed on board : they were flying as it was.
    Did you see Voigt ? He was blasting.
     
  15. tcklyde

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    I agree with this. What position was DZ in at the time? Looked like about five back to me, but I can't remember. Anyway, those behind him would have to get around. I can't believe no one else went down.
     
  16. limerickman

    limerickman Moderator

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    You're right.
    DZ was slap bang in the middle of the group : it is a wonder that other CSC riders weren't brought down.
     
  17. vadimivich

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    It's a real shame because DZ is an absolute monster against the clock. He was certainly one of the key engines in the CSC train.

    Still, looking at the DC roster ... even losing by 2 seconds to them is a heck of an accomplishment.
     
  18. hillelos

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    ca be any surprises? maybe valverde?



     
  19. Lonnie Utah

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    Well it's easy this years TTT was deadflat except for the last bit. So everyone knew the gaps would be a lot smaller............last years TTT was lots harder!

    Nonetheless a very good ride by T-Mobile and liberty. Phonak and gerolsteiner disappointed me!

    And Zabriskie well it's sad........but that's bike racing too!


     
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