They did. They sent a rep to his actual hospitol room with his walking papers.nns1400 said:I thought LA said that COFIDIS cut him loose while he was still sick (in his book).
They did. They sent a rep to his actual hospitol room with his walking papers.nns1400 said:I thought LA said that COFIDIS cut him loose while he was still sick (in his book).
Cofidis, as per the contract with Armstrong, requested that he pass a physical. He refused and the team renegotiated his contract, lowering his salary from $1.2 million to about $800,000. He refused to sign the new contract and the team did not re-sign him. If I remember correctly (it;s in the Coyle book), Cofidis paid him some amount to terminate the contract.wolfix said:They did. They sent a rep to his actual hospitol room with his walking papers.
Armstrong was requested to pass a physical. Problem?earth_dweller said:Cofidis, as per the contract with Armstrong, requested that he pass a physical. He refused and the team renegotiated his contract, lowering his salary from $1.2 million to about $800,000. He refused to sign the new contract and the team did not re-sign him. If I remember correctly (it;s in the Coyle book), Cofidis paid him some amount to terminate the contract.
Then Armstrong signed with USPS and received a base salary of about $400,000 with perfomance incentives on top.
BD calling someone else cynical? Wow!Bro Deal said:You guys are so cynical. Slipstream has the best anti-doping program of any team. It's is way more comprehensive and intrusive than what the French teams have to ride under, and the French have not exactly been tearing up the ProTour races. It's a model for what the UCI should require.
Vaughters himself seems to be very ****** off that he was deceived by Armstrong and essentially tricked into doping. He appears determined to run his team so that riders are not pressured to dope. If he cannot succeed then no one can.
I'm with wolfix and HR2. I could've given them the benefit of the doubt, but hiring Millar just doesn't bode well. Until Vaughters pulls a Riis, I don't trust the guy.helmutRoole2 said:This is what I've heard as well, and the union with Millar confirms it in my mind. Why doesn't Vaughters admit his past offenses?
Details, details....cyclingheroes said:I thought this thread was about Slipstream.....
Okay, you got me there--usually.fscyclist said:BD calling someone else cynical? Wow!
I've changed my mind now. I'm leery, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt. After reading Bro's comments ref. their internal team testing and after reading Walsh's take on Vaughters, I'm willing to at least take a wait-and-see approach.fscyclist said:I'm with wolfix and HR2. I could've given them the benefit of the doubt, but hiring Millar just doesn't bode well. Until Vaughters pulls a Riis, I don't trust the guy.
Get a grip Doc. Slipstream as dirty as ONCE? Festina? Those teams rode in the days when there wasn't even an EPO test. Okay, say Slipstream isn't 100% clean for whatever reason, it still won't be doped to the gills like some of the teams you mention. It's Slipstream, not Slipknot.Doctor.House said:Slipstream will be as clean as:
USPO
Discovery
Festina
T-Mobile
Astana
Mapei
Robobank
AG2r
Liberty Seguros
Once
Banesto
PDM
Quick Step
Cofidis
Dirty! Vaughters is yet another Armstrong alumni fraud.
They have ZERO drug tests for 90% of the doping in use.
EPO test?????? What blood doping tests?Rolfrae said:Get a grip Doc. Slipstream as dirty as ONCE? Festina? Those teams rode in the days when there wasn't even an EPO test. Okay, say Slipstream isn't 100% clean for whatever reason, it still won't be doped to the gills like some of the teams you mention. It's Slipstream, not Slipknot.
Yes, you're right, no test for EPO micro dosing but for EPO macro dosing as ONCE et al used to do, there is a test.Doctor.House said:EPO test?????? What blood doping tests?
In 2007 EPO, RSR-13, C.E.R.A, human and cow blood are abused w/o any testing worries.
You have lost it.
THERE are NO drug tests for daily injections of micro dosed EPO. NONE.
Quit pandering to the Slipstream/UCI/WADA fraud theme.
True----but everyone injects on a daily basis now. And very few athletes are ever urine tested each day.Rolfrae said:Yes, you're right, no test for EPO micro dosing but for EPO macro dosing as ONCE et al used to do, there is a test.
It's the only way to get invited to all the races, by proving in-team you are clean. Until the UCI isn't a sham and is a bona fide law-enforcing regulator teams will have to take the testing into their own hands.IH8LANCE said:Slipstream is a bad idea. If their riders have any success, the cynics (comprised of about 99% of people who follow cycling) will label them hypocrites. On the other hand, if they don't win anything, the lesson learned is that doping pays.
Either way, the entire premise strikes me as a load of grandstanding self-righteousness.
Doctor.House said:True----but everyone injects on a daily basis now. And very few athletes are ever urine tested each day.
Only rare exceptions are caught now (Iban Mayo, Nina Kraft, Marion Jones)
Most EPO users are NEVER caught.
Slipstream will slip right through the doping controls, just as Once did.
IH8LANCE said:Slipstream is a bad idea. If their riders have any success, the cynics (comprised of about 99% of people who follow cycling) will label them hypocrites. On the other hand, if they don't win anything, the lesson learned is that doping pays.
Either way, the entire premise strikes me as a load of grandstanding self-righteousness.
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