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On Oct 17, 11:24 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> jim beam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Michael Press wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <[email protected]>,
> > > jim beam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> Michael Press wrote:
> > >>> In article
> > >>> <[email protected]>,
> > >>> jim beam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >>>> Michael Press wrote:
> > >>>>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> > >>>>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> > >>>>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> > >>>>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> > >>>>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> > >>>>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> > >>>>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> > >>>>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> > >>>>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> > >>>>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> > >>>>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> > >>>>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> > >>>>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> > >>>>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
>
> > >>>> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
> > >>>> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
> > >>>> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
> > >>>> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
>
> > >>>> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
> > >>>> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
> > >>>> safety?
> > >>> One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
> > >> how much is your medical insurance?
>
> > > You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in
> > > <[email protected]>
>
> > > Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
> > > Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
>
> > do you always take things so personally?
>
> Yes, I take everything personally.
>
> > are you not an autonomous
> > adult capable of making your own decisions?
>
> Good one. What do you think?
>
> > if you're having failures - you allege
>
> I alleged nothing. Described events, reported observations,
> relayed a thought or two, asked for help.
>
> > that it's a cable routing problem
> > - and if the levers are defective, then use something /known/ to be
> > good. campy are a solution that are /known/ to be good /and/ they also
> > accommodate calipers without their own q.r. mechanism. simple.
>
> Do not know yet if they are defective.
> Experience here is uniformly positive.
>
> > to put it another way however, if you don't want answers, why ask questions?
>
> All this because I said
> "One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive."
>
> Have you ever earned a livelihood as a salesman?
>
> --
> Michael Press
Bourbon man is an apologist of all high cost popular brands that spend
lots of money in advertising to claim technological superiority of
their products. He is a critic of those in this newsgroup that
question marketing claims and are skeptical of some of the
technological claims that marketing makes of expensive products.
Whether its campy, shimano, mavic, giant or trek, if it is expensive
and has a lot of advertising behind, Bourbon man will defend it and
will advance his defense with further technological claims about the
defended product and with some progressively less subtle insults to
the critic.
Andres
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> jim beam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Michael Press wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <[email protected]>,
> > > jim beam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> Michael Press wrote:
> > >>> In article
> > >>> <[email protected]>,
> > >>> jim beam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >>>> Michael Press wrote:
> > >>>>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> > >>>>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> > >>>>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> > >>>>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> > >>>>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> > >>>>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> > >>>>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> > >>>>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> > >>>>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> > >>>>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> > >>>>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> > >>>>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> > >>>>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> > >>>>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
>
> > >>>> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
> > >>>> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
> > >>>> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
> > >>>> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
>
> > >>>> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
> > >>>> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
> > >>>> safety?
> > >>> One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
> > >> how much is your medical insurance?
>
> > > You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in
> > > <[email protected]>
>
> > > Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
> > > Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
>
> > do you always take things so personally?
>
> Yes, I take everything personally.
>
> > are you not an autonomous
> > adult capable of making your own decisions?
>
> Good one. What do you think?
>
> > if you're having failures - you allege
>
> I alleged nothing. Described events, reported observations,
> relayed a thought or two, asked for help.
>
> > that it's a cable routing problem
> > - and if the levers are defective, then use something /known/ to be
> > good. campy are a solution that are /known/ to be good /and/ they also
> > accommodate calipers without their own q.r. mechanism. simple.
>
> Do not know yet if they are defective.
> Experience here is uniformly positive.
>
> > to put it another way however, if you don't want answers, why ask questions?
>
> All this because I said
> "One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive."
>
> Have you ever earned a livelihood as a salesman?
>
> --
> Michael Press
Bourbon man is an apologist of all high cost popular brands that spend
lots of money in advertising to claim technological superiority of
their products. He is a critic of those in this newsgroup that
question marketing claims and are skeptical of some of the
technological claims that marketing makes of expensive products.
Whether its campy, shimano, mavic, giant or trek, if it is expensive
and has a lot of advertising behind, Bourbon man will defend it and
will advance his defense with further technological claims about the
defended product and with some progressively less subtle insults to
the critic.
Andres