Telekom in disarray

rejobako said:

I could see that, although I think Basso has become threatening enough that he will be on the radar of the big 4 at Disco/T-Mobile. The big guns typically mark each other pretty closely; seems to me that two years ago, Vinokourov (when Ullrich was still with Bianchi) kind of snuck up on the duo during that fateful stage when Beloki crashed out. Although Vino and Ullrich are now teammates and both threats to the GC, I could see a similar situation where a good rider who wasn't hyped pre-tour might sneak away on a critical stage and make a run for the GC.

Of course, I forgot Basso's at CSC (sorry Ivan !).

Spot on they are and so are dutch. We don't talk around a subject we say it as it is. That's why Boogerd and De jongh say what they say in the newspapers about rabo and the dutch championships. I think in most teams that's not done, but I think it's good to give an opinion.

Dekker wrote in his book that if Boogerd ever attacked him again he would leave rabo (after liege 2004). Boogerd got mad and a few newspapers further with interviews of both riders they are riding again like nothing happened. That's how it should be..........they are professionals, no friends and you still can be in a business together.

whiteboytrash said:

:-) No problems I was just playing.............

I'm not sure if there are any German posters on this board but I work with a lot of Germans and they are very very very very direct people and just because they say what they think doesn’t actually mean there is trouble.... Germans will often tell each other that they are upset and that is that....... Germans do not have what English/Americans have called 'small talk'... they just don’t do it.... So when Kloden says it straight he means it but Ulle would not take offence and they are still best mates....... or maybe because Kloden's wife is very good friends with Jan's ex there maybe some ill feeling ? Remember they all went to on holidays as couples at the end of last year and bough those ridiculous baseball glove chairs !

Love hurts !

WBT gossip column out.

limerickman said:

Of course, I forgot Basso's at CSC (sorry Ivan !).

LOL; so did I. I had to look up the start list to remind myself of who the top gun was there.

rejobako said:

I could see that, although I think Basso has become threatening enough that he will be on the radar of the big 4 at Disco/T-Mobile. The big guns typically mark each other pretty closely; seems to me that two years ago, Vinokourov (when Ullrich was still with Bianchi) kind of snuck up on the duo during that fateful stage when Beloki crashed out. Although Vino and Ullrich are now teammates and both threats to the GC, I could see a similar situation where a good rider who wasn't hyped pre-tour might sneak away on a critical stage and make a run for the GC.

Having just seen Hell on Wheels I felt very sad to see Zabel and Audag off the T Mobile squad. In that film they are like a couple of war veterans scarred by years fighting together, and you could see the love and respect between them. You could also sense that Zabel was on the decline and now he's off the team completely.

Personally I'd like to see Vino take on leadership of T Mobile, but I think it fair for that to be decided on the road. I would have dumped Kloden if I were T mobile.

I saw this on DVD as well... ordered it off Amazon.de to get hold of it.... it was very well filmed and I did to feel sorry for Zabel..... its like such a hard sport especially when your at the back of the peleton on the mountain stages.... looks like a lot of hard work.... the bodies of cyclists do look a little scary thou.... they are so thin and just full of muscle.... I liked the old guy who washed down all the riders after they finished..... he was a professor....

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mmamster said:

Having just seen Hell on Wheels I felt very sad to see Zabel and Audag off the T Mobile squad. In that film they are like a couple of war veterans scarred by years fighting together, and you could see the love and respect between them. You could also sense that Zabel was on the decline and now he's off the team completely.

Personally I'd like to see Vino take on leadership of T Mobile, but I think it fair for that to be decided on the road. I would have dumped Kloden if I were T mobile.

whiteboytrash said:

I saw this on DVD as well... ordered it off Amazon.de to get hold of it.... it was very well filmed and I did to feel sorry for Zabel..... its like such a hard sport especially when your at the back of the peleton on the mountain stages.... looks like a lot of hard work.... the bodies of cyclists do look a little scary thou.... they are so thin and just full of muscle.... I liked the old guy who washed down all the riders after they finished..... he was a professor....

you can order from here:

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I think I'll buy it - it is in english I presume ?

limerickman said:

I think I'll buy it - it is in english I presume ?

they showed that documentary on french tv last weekend ( i live in france obviously) and it was filmed in german but obviously with subtitles of your choice. wouldnt mind orderin that meself havin watched it in german with french subs, bit confusin....on the kloden point i read an interview with him where he came across as a bit big headed and even suggests that armstong should have let him win that stage of the TDF last year...i'm glad he lost now.

Huh ? Its from the 2003 Tour so that stage hadn’t even occurred yet.... Kloden actually drops out with a back injury in this movie.... and for you girls out there, there is plenty of action with Kloden with his top off showing his tats !

It’s in German but you can chose between Dutch, English, French on the subtitles..... there is also an American subtitle option which doesn’t use big words so they can understand and follow what’s going on..... ;-)

WBT is your Daddy !

drewdoddy said:

they showed that documentary on french tv last weekend ( i live in france obviously) and it was filmed in german but obviously with subtitles of your choice. wouldnt mind orderin that meself havin watched it in german with french subs, bit confusin....on the kloden point i read an interview with him where he came across as a bit big headed and even suggests that armstong should have let him win that stage of the TDF last year...i'm glad he lost now.

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Chambers of this type enable athletes to recreate the atmospheric conditions found at high altitude and boost their red blood cell count in a totally legitimate way.

Ullrich’s basement remodelling was carried out by Berlin-based company Low Oxygen Systems. Their founder, Volker Spiegel, told French news agency AFP that if Ullrich “is in good form for the Tour, he will certainly be able to take advantage of his simulated high-altitude preparation.”

Spiegel explained: “We can now recreate atmospheric conditions that are found between 2000 and 4500 metres in absolutely any room.” The oxygen content of the air in the plexiglass chambers can be reduced to as low as 13% from the 21% found at sea level.

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whiteboytrash said:

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Chambers of this type enable athletes to recreate the atmospheric conditions found at high altitude and boost their red blood cell count in a totally legitimate way.

Ullrich’s basement remodelling was carried out by Berlin-based company Low Oxygen Systems. Their founder, Volker Spiegel, told French news agency AFP that if Ullrich “is in good form for the Tour, he will certainly be able to take advantage of his simulated high-altitude preparation.”

Spiegel explained: “We can now recreate atmospheric conditions that are found between 2000 and 4500 metres in absolutely any room.” The oxygen content of the air in the plexiglass chambers can be reduced to as low as 13% from the 21% found at sea level.

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THIS IS A REPEAT OF THE SAME STORY FROM PREVIOUS T'SDF !

We had stories about JU training in a hyperbaric chamber in Leipzig Sports Institute two years ago as well.

The story is a derivative of the same concept pertaining to Dr Helga Pfeiffer
and the East German doping controversy :
Pfeiffer developed the first "swimming tunnel" to test swimmers in a water tunnel and is flogging these tunnels to China.
Craig Lord of the Sunday Times did a piece about this in early May 2005.

http://www.cyclingforums.com/showthread.php?p=1884412&highlight=pfeiffer#post1884412

Haha and it still won't help him. I just watched an documentaire about Armstrong. Mart smeets spook to him during this years dauphine, it was interesting. I'll post the link when it gets online!

limerickman said:

THIS IS A REPEAT OF THE SAME STORY FROM PREVIOUS T'SDF !

We had stories about JU training in a hyperbaric chamber in Leipzig Sports Institute two years ago as well.

The story is a derivative of the same concept pertaining to Dr Helga Pfeiffer
and the East German doping controversy :
Pfeiffer developed the first "swimming tunnel" to test swimmers in a water tunnel and is flogging these tunnels to China.
Craig Lord of the Sunday Times did a piece about this in early May 2005.

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I honestly feel that no matter how much Jan trains for the tour, he won't win. He's too preoccupied with the whole beating Lance thing, that when Lance doesn't contend, Jan will be even further down in the rankings for waiting on Lance to make his move.

I am really looking forward to watching this years tour because I think there will be a lot of supprises. I think that the overall winner will be form one of the smaller teams and riders like Oscar Savilla will start to come back into form and do well. There are a lot of riders that showed promise in years past that seemed to fizzle out. I think we will see them make a big splash.

My two favorites for this years tour are Mayo and Savilla.

davidbod said:

If Vino had been there last year he probably would have done the same as Kloden. I would look for Vino to be their main attacker. If Jan can't hack it, then I would suspect Vino will be there to step in. I also think this will be Vino's last year at T-Mobile. His cycling brain in my opinion is miles ahead of Jan's. All I've ever seen Jan do is follow wheels until they ride away from him. He takes no chances and ultimately you can only be second doing that. I'd rather see a rider take the chance and crack than always be second.

This is Ullrich's problem. Godefroot is allowing talk of another leader even before the tour has begun. All talk should be of how they are going to support JU, even if he has a bad day or two.

Trouble now is that if Ullrich has one bad day Kloden and Vino will have the knives out that night. Ullrich might as well just ride on his own - as he basically has the last few years.

I said I would post he link of the armstrong documentaire: nos.nllancearmstrondocu.htmlOpen ↗ and then click on the right side of the page interview😎

Some parts are in dutch. The end is funny where LA says last question and says jokingly that all journalist are lyers. Mart smeets quickly replyed haha what are all cyclist then.............LA jokingly honest, clean blalal.......then he coughed and said BS!

T-Mobile's Erik Zabel is using his unaccustomed free time this summer to think about his future. He acknowledged that the team had offered him a two-year contract, with continued employment after his active career. "I have a good offer from Olaf Ludwig," he said in a dpa interview. "I hope we can find a solution that will satisfy both sides."

He admitted that it was hard at first to accept the team's decision not to take him to the Tour this year. "I wanted to be part of the Tour team for Jan," he said. "But I could fully understand Walter Godefroot's argument when he said: If you're a water carrier, then you're not a sprinter any more."

After the German championships, third-place finisher Zabel said he would like to take 18 year-old winner Gerald Ciolek under his wing. "Maybe there's a chance for him to ride where I ride. I could help him."

The temperamental sprinter will follow the Tour on television, but only to a certain extent. "When it comes down to the last five kilometres in the sprint stages and my pulse is at 160 - then I'll probably turn the TV off." He will be guest commentator on the German TV broadcaster ARD, but "probably just the last weekend. It would be very difficult for me emotionally to comment on my sprinter colleagues in the first week."

And who's going to win that race in France? "I don't want to make a prediction."

whiteboytrash said:

I saw this on DVD as well... ordered it off Amazon.de to get hold of it.... it was very well filmed and I did to feel sorry for Zabel..... its like such a hard sport especially when your at the back of the peleton on the mountain stages.... looks like a lot of hard work.... the bodies of cyclists do look a little scary thou.... they are so thin and just full of muscle.... I liked the old guy who washed down all the riders after they finished..... he was a professor....

you can order from here:

amazon.de028 1146207 7117355Open ↗

Its on free to air here tomorrow night (just before the tour starts euro time). You've inspired me get to up and set a tape now (I'll be watching Australia kick Frances backsides in rugby).

[font=Verdana]Defo a good watch...... I heard they are showing the Tour live on SBS this year ? Is this true ? [/font][font=Verdana]France[/font][font=Verdana] has a good rugby side... the aussies maybe troubled.... The French will scratch your eyes out if they start to lose......

You are very lucky having the ‘voice of cycling’ Phil Liggert doing your coverage.... we have to put up with EuroSh*t over here in the [/font][font=Verdana]UK[/font][font=Verdana] with Sean Kelly..... they should prescribe this man to insomniacs....... oh dear..... [/font]

mitosis said:

Its on free to air here tomorrow night (just before the tour starts euro time). You've inspired me get to up and set a tape now (I'll be watching Australia kick Frances backsides in rugby).

whiteboytrash said:

[font=Verdana]Defo a good watch...... I heard they are showing the Tour live on SBS this year ? Is this true ? [/font][font=Verdana]France[/font][font=Verdana] has a good rugby side... the aussies maybe troubled.... The French will scratch your eyes out if they start to lose......

You are very lucky having the ‘voice of cycling’ Phil Liggert doing your coverage.... we have to put up with EuroSh*t over here in the [/font][font=Verdana]UK[/font][font=Verdana] with Sean Kelly..... they should prescribe this man to insomniacs....... oh dear..... [/font]

Hey WBT : Kelly gives great insights to the sport, he's not a continuity man but he always - always - calls the result correctly.

As regards France - they do try to scratch your eyes out - just ask the SA hooker Smit.
He nearly got his eyes taken out in Port Elizabeth last weekend.

Are you serious ? I just cant cope when there is a break occurring or someone of note is dropping off the pack and Kelly and co are talking about what they had for lunch on the previous day... its kills me.... I also cant cope when Mike Smith says something like..... "I think Basso is in trouble he is beginning to lose touch with the peleton..." he then pans to Kelly for his super comments and he says "Yes, um, I think, that, um Basso, um, is, um, losing, um, touch, um, er, um, with the, bunch, um, der, errr, yes, um...." zzzzzzzzzzzz

amazing insight !

The Safa's are way dodgy..... although the Kiwi's with there spear tackles are no better...... Go the Lions !

limerickman said:

Hey WBT : Kelly gives great insights to the sport, he's not a continuity man but he always - always - calls the result correctly.

As regards France - they do try to scratch your eyes out - just ask the SA hooker Smit.
He nearly got his eyes taken out in Port Elizabeth last weekend.

whiteboytrash said:

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You are very lucky having the ‘voice of cycling’ Phil Liggert doing your coverage.... we have to put up with EuroSh*t over here in the [/font][font=Verdana]UK[/font][font=Verdana] with Sean Kelly..... they should prescribe this man to insomniacs....... oh dear..... [/font]

Hey, I love Phil and Paul but they are pretty funny. Two things you can count on with Phil and Paul: 1) If Phil predicts the winner of the stage during the stage, that rider will NOT win, and 2) Paul will spend at least 15 minutes during each mountain stage talking about Lance's cadence.