Terrorist cyclists selfish, mean-spirited, dangerous and aggressive

[Alan Erskine]

"flyingdutch" <[email protected]> wrote in
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>
> cfsmtb Wrote:
> > Bike lane alert, Elizabeth Street, Richmond, bike lane towards city.
> > Much broken glass in little piles btw Church & Hoddle.
>
> that stretch is a nightmare and after a series of punctures over the
> alst few months i now avoid E-street. Vic St is a shocker for glass
> too. No i didnt mean it was a purely asian problem. Anyone is capable
> of it, the nature of that street just lends itself to much wandering
> about (Chapel, Sydney Rd, etc are all the same)

And don't forget Clayton Road - pedestrian's there are just plain crazy the
way the weave in and out between cars and trucks.


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[DRS]

"John L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[...]

> I realise that, my post was aimed at D R Sole. I included your post
> to follow in context. It can become confusing, but it's become my
> policy to only top post to D S Sole's (the troll) posts. He needs a
> lesson in manners

Since you are incapable of giving it why are you wasting everybody's time,
****wit? Since a troll is someone who sets out to create trouble it
inexorably follows that you must be the troll, not me, since I actually
contribute to the group and will continue to do so long after you've moved
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[John L]

Gee I must have missed the vote when you were appointed spokesman for
this group.

You first lesson in manners follows,"It's impolite to call people
names & reflects more on the person making them than on the
recipient".

Next lesson in logic, "it will probably have the opposite effect to
the message you are incapable of imparting without abuse.

Second lesson in logic," if you don't like what I say, don't reply.
That will serve two purposes. I will get around to contributing
something usefull to the group & you can try & get over your anal
fixation with your version of netiquette.

If you can't help yourself & must reply, try & think of something
original. Your contributions to the group lately all seem to revolve
around the word "****wit"

I'll be around for a while, so GET USED TO IT

John L.

-On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:36:45 +1000, "DRS"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"John L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>[...]
>
>> I realise that, my post was aimed at D R Sole. I included your post
>> to follow in context. It can become confusing, but it's become my
>> policy to only top post to D S Sole's (the troll) posts. He needs a
>> lesson in manners
>
>Since you are incapable of giving it why are you wasting everybody's time,
>****wit? Since a troll is someone who sets out to create trouble it
>inexorably follows that you must be the troll, not me, since I actually
>contribute to the group and will continue to do so long after you've moved
>on.

 

[blah]

John L <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

It can become confusing, but it's become my
> policy to only top post to D S Sole's (the troll) posts. He needs a
> lesson in manners

Yeah. That'll settle it. Good idea.

 

[John L]

On 21 Jul 2004 01:56:39 -0700, [email protected] (blah) wrote:

>John L <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>It can become confusing, but it's become my
>> policy to only top post to D S Sole's (the troll) posts. He needs a
>> lesson in manners
>
>Yeah. That'll settle it. Good idea.

Was that meant to be sarcastic or are you agreeing with me?

Maybe if you used an emoticon your comments would make more sense ;-)

Then again, that would probably upset our anonymous DRS even more.

John L.

 

[DRS]

"John L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[...]

> If you can't help yourself & must reply, try & think of something
> original. Your contributions to the group lately all seem to revolve
> around the word "****wit"

You're a liar as well as a fool, ****wit.

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[John L]

Thanks for confirming my last posting, TROLL.

John L.

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:44:32 +1000, "DRS"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"John L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>[...]
>
>> If you can't help yourself & must reply, try & think of something
>> original. Your contributions to the group lately all seem to revolve
>> around the word "****wit"
>
>You're a liar as well as a fool, ****wit.

 

[DRS]

"John L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:44:32 +1000, "DRS"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "John L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> If you can't help yourself & must reply, try & think of something
>>> original. Your contributions to the group lately all seem to
>>> revolve around the word "****wit"
>>
>> You're a liar as well as a fool, ****wit.

> Thanks for confirming my last posting, TROLL.

You still don't know what a troll is. I contribute. You don't. Therefore
you are the troll, ****wit. You're a shameless liar, a fool and a troll. I
bet your parents are proud.

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[DRS]

"flyingdutch" <[email protected]> wrote
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> DRS Wrote:
>> "You're a liar as well as a fool, f***wit.
>
> oh goody. we're back onto the mythical liar thing again
>
> cut the 'f***' . "this is a family show"

**** off, Dutchy. You lied and I called you on it and every time you are
stupid enough to bring it up I'll drag up the proof from Google and rub your
nose in it: [email protected] and
[email protected]. This is Usenet, a fact you seem
constitutionally incapable of grasping. Usenet is archived. You cannot
make **** up out of thin air, like you did, and expect to get away with it.
He also lied and I'm calling him on it too. There's nothing the least
mythical about his lies. They, too, are now a matter of record.

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[DRS]

"flyingdutch" <[email protected]> wrote
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> DRS Wrote:
>>
>> **** off, Dutchy. You lied and I called you on it and every time you
>> are
>> stupid enough to bring it up I'll drag up the proof from Google and
>> rub your
>> nose in it: [email protected] and
>> [email protected]. This is Usenet, a fact you seem
>> constitutionally incapable of grasping. Usenet is archived. You
>> cannot
>> make **** up out of thin air, like you did, and expect to get away
>> with it.
>> He also lied and I'm calling him on it too. There's nothing the
>> least mythical about his lies. They, too, are now a matter of
>> record.
>
> your links dont work, your 'proof' is non existant, your language

Jesus wept. They're Usenet message-ids, not links, and I assure you they
are very much valid.

> getting worse by the post, and if truth be told, youre accusing me of
> lieing is lieing in itself.
> I have never 'made **** up'. something you are only able to refer to
> with rhetoric, bad language.

You did make **** up, you made it up out of thin air, you accused me of
stuff I never did and I used Google to prove it and I'll keep doing it as
long as you are silly enough to pretend it didn't happen.

> Why dont you be a good chap and go to these supposed threads and
> cut-n-paste them here to settle this once and for all. If you can
> prove I lied, I'll apologise.

In your web browser go to Google's news groups search page:
http://groups.google.com.au/advanced_group_search. In the field marked
"Message ID" cut and past one of the message ids I gave (you have to do
message ids one at a time). Hit the "Search" button. Watch and weep.

> If not, well... I'll blow rhaspberries 'eeen yur jeneraaal,
> direxeeeeeon'
>
> And just where is johns 'lies' ?

Here's his most recent: 'Your contributions to the group lately all seem to
revolve around the word "****wit"' Blind Freddy can see he's projecting his
own lack of contributions on to me.

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[DRS]

"ritcho" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> DRS Wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> [email protected]
>>
>> [snip]
>
> Ok, now the thread has been totally derailed, I looked up the message
> that DRS was talking about. DRS referenced two messages, but the
> second (inter alia) referred to this one:

It also mentioned a bunch of other stuff he either made up or twisted beyond
recognition.

> Flyingdutch said: (to Hippy, it seems)
>
> "Yes, but you were blocking my way!!!
> perhaps I shoulda shouted at you like Drs does to kids on
> bikepaths..."
>
> And that is all that appears in the message.

There's a context to that that Dutchy should be all too well aware of (there
was a thread started by someone who saw a cyclist yell at a kid on a
bikepath - it might have been me). I shouted once at a kid who veered
across a bike path when I was overtaking him and he nearly caused me to
crash. Dutchy tries to make out it's my habit. I have a thing about people
trying to misrepresent my position and I told him so. He denied doing it
even when the evidence was put right in front of him. He's been told more
than once everything he posts is stored in Google's archives but he just
doesn't seem to grok what that means.

[...]

> Either way, the offence taken (or given) by the message is trivial
> compared to the back and forth tirade of abuse that followed. In the
> true sense of the word, it's a disgrace.

Um, if you've been paying attention you should know by now that I'm not the
one who keeps bringing it up. He is.

> Ritch.
>
> PS. Thanks to DRS for pointing out the advanced groups search with
> message-id... never really tried that one before...

Teach a man to fish and all that.

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[DRS]

"flyingdutch" <[email protected]> wrote
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> DRS Wrote:
>>
>> It also mentioned a bunch of other stuff he either made up or twisted
>> beyond
>> recognition.

[...]

> No it didnt DRS
> OK, perhaps i dont know Usenet inside out like you and all the
> different types of features, etc but you claim that it included "a
> bunch of other stuff" is pure rhubarb!

Oh, no it bloody isn't. And that is exactly the kind of dishonesty I object
to. It manifestly refers to several instances. Of course, it would have
made things clearer if you'd left the attributions in like you're supposed
to. This is also my text in that post, quoted from a previous post
([email protected]):

"I never called Hippy an idiot; I never called Hitchy either stupid or a
fool (although in his case I confess to believing both to be true); I never
called anirm stupid or a fool. You're [sic] stuff up out of thin air yet
again."

All things you accused me of which were not true.

If you want to follow that part of that thread when reading a post in Google
then click on the "View: Complete Thread" link at the upper right-hand
corner of the page.

> And that's what youre invective is based on???

You've been told often enough.

> It would appear that it is your perception of what i said, as opposed
> to what i actually said, that got you to arrive at your accusing me of
> lying
>
> You stated that you once shouted at a kid and later said you would do
> so again (going on to buy a airzound, WIMHO was a good idea)
>
> i referred to shouting at a kid 'like DRS' cos I you said that is what
> you did and will continue to do,

I said: "I only yell at the ones trying to cause an accident." That's
called context.

> so i doubt its much of a quantum leap
> to stereotype you as someone who shouts at kids on bikepaths
>
> How you can call that 'proof' is just unbelieveable

It's perfectly believable when the necessary context is put back in. I told
you I wouldn't put up with being misrepresented and I won't.

> Like i said. If you could prove it i would apologise, but that's
> hollow
> I will not be slandered on this any further

You don't know the meaning of the word.

> Some people just dont WANT to get along, for lordy's sake, but for the
> betterment of the form let's try...

My history in here is very clear. Don't tell lies about me and I won't get
upset at you for telling lies about me.

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[DRS]

"flyingdutch" <[email protected]> wrote
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>> No it didnt DRS
>> OK, perhaps i dont know Usenet inside out like you and all the
>> different types of features, etc but you claim that it included "a
>> bunch of other stuff" is pure rhubarb!
>
>> Oh, no it bloody isn't. And that is exactly the kind of dishonesty
>> I object to. It manifestly refers to several instances.
>
> All of which werent lieing, just your 'interpreation filter' going
> haywire again[/color]

I said it referred to a bunch of stuff, you said it didn't, I listed the
bunch of stuff it referred to. So whose interpretation is haywire?

>> Of course, it would have
>> made things clearer if you'd left the attributions in like you're
>> supposed to. ...
>
> Fair nuff. not meant to confuse. just brevity...

This is a classic example of why Usenet conventions and standards have
evolved as they have. Attributions matter. If you quote someone then you
are obligated to attribute properly.

>> This is also my text in that post, quoted from a previous post
>> ([email protected]):
>> "I never called Hippy an idiot; I never called Hitchy either stupid
>> or a fool (although in his case I confess to believing both to be
>> true); I never called anirm stupid or a fool. You're [sic] stuff up
>> out of thin air yet again."
>
>> All things you accused me of which were not true.
>
> Strange, cos all 3 commented (later in subsequent threads, private
> messages and in person) on how much you ****** them off!

Even if that is true (claiming support from Private Email is a source of
derision on Usenet since it is untestable without making public that which
was intended to be private, assuming it exists at all) it remains a fact
that I did not do the things you accused me of. And I most sincerely
couldn't give a stuff what Hitchy thinks.

[...]

> Yes but the same thread includes you stating that kids should not
> be/ride on paths at all. that was what I originally took you to task
> on, my perspective being they should be encouraged, not yelled at

That's called a strawman: an argument you make up, attribute to your
opponent, subsequently knock down and preen about how good you are. The
problem is *no-one* ever said kids shouldn't be on bike paths at all.

Once again, here's what I actually said: "If your kids can't keep left then
they shouldn't be riding on the path".

"If they can't or won't do the right thing then they should not be on the
bike paths at all."

"What people are saying in this thread is that kids should keep left and if
they can't or won't then they shouldn't be on the paths in the first place,
which is absolutely spot on."

"Some people need to realise that everybody has responsibilities in a shared
environment and that kids are not exempt."

If anybody cares, the thread is called "why do you ride on a shared path"
(9/3/04).

http://groups.google.com.au/groups?...afe=off&selm=404d7ad3_1%40news.iprimus.com.au

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