The Acid question



"Carole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > "Carole" <[email protected]> wrote
> > >
> > > That isn't strictly true. What happens in the case of gout? This is
> > > when a person has too much uric acid which can't be eliminated and it
> > > forms crystals which accumulate around the feet and cause agony in the
> > > sufferer.
> >
> > I wish it were that simple to diagnose gout but it isn't. Not everybody
> > with a gouty joint has a high uric acid blood level. People with
calcium
> > pyrophosphate crystals in joints, pseudogout, do not have high calcium
blood
> > levels.
>
> Ah yes, but sodium phosphate and sulphate cellsalts help the body
> assimilate calcium.

Actually, they help the body excrete calcium.

> If the blood gets too acid calcium drops out of
> solution and deposits around the body - in joints, muscles, arteries
> probably.

Yeah, but the blood does not get too acid. Remember, the kidneys handle
that.

> I read about this in Paul Bragg's nature cure books. You can
> look them up at www.amazon.com.

That does not make it true. Most nature cures are really cures for the bank
accounts of those writing the books. The books have few facts to back them
up.

> > > I don't think modern medicine really has much of an idea about
> > > treating this condition because I once knew a bloke who got regular
> > > attacks which were very debilitating, causing him to have to stay home
> > > with his feet up. He had been to the top rheumatic specialists in
> > > Australia and they prescribed a drug called butazoladene (sp?) which
> > > wouldn't stop an attack once it occurred, just prevented an attack.
> > > However the side effects were dangerous if he took too much of the
> > > drug.
> > >
> > > I told him about sodium phosphate and sodium sulphate tablets which he
> > > took a couple each day for a year and never got an attack during that
> > > period. Then he did an experiment and went off them and the attacks
> > > began to return. He ended up swearing by the cellsalts and said he
> > > would recommend them to any other sufferer of the condition, over the
> > > drugs.
> >
> > Thats great as it gets him out of the hospital bothering us so anything
> > generating placebo meds so great for him and everybody else.
>
> Glossary term (from drug company controlled teaching institutions):
> Placebo - anything cure that isn't produced using a pharmaceutical
> product.

No, placebo is a substance that is not believed to have any affect on a
particular condition. For example, in tests of antidepressents, they make
placebos look exactly like the antidepressents.

What are the drug-company-controlled teaching institutions? Certainly not
medical schools While they get some grants from drug companies, the vast
majority of their money comes from the government from grants and from
tutition. They also do a lot of research on alternative medicines.

> > > Sodium phosphate is known as the acid neutraliser and sodium sulphate
> > > removes poison charged fluids from the cells, the poison I assume is
> > > waste products from food metabolism.
> >
> > You should really patten that.
>
> If it could be patented it would be one of the drug company top
> products.
> > > > you need to provide real evidence this diet works, like
peer-reviewed
> > > > journal articles, not stupid web sites.
> > >
> > > ********. Everybody knows that conventional medicine is geared towards
> > > pharmaceutical drugs and denies the efficacy of foods, vitamins and
> > > minerals in treating conditions.
> >
> > Conventional medicine takes over your body after you fail on trying
foods
> > and vitamins. If you don't want conventional medicine then don't go to a
> > hospital. Nobody is putting a gun to your head.
>
> Conventional medicine is a racket controlled by the pharmaceutical
> cartel.

Only a small percentage (around 10%) of medical care is actually spent on
drugs. Most of it goes to paying people in doctor's offices, hospitals,
insurance companies, and the government.
http://www.chcf.org/documents/other/HealthcareCostData.pdf.

I have seen you and other talk about a pharmaceutical cartel. But I don't
see you posting evidence that this cartel really exists.

Jeff

> Carole
> http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm
 
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:18:09 GMT, [email protected] (David
Wright) wrote:

>>Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
>
>Some of you may be wondering about that triple "ha" that Gohde likes
>to use. Actually, it's only one "ha" (the first one); the other two
>are the echo from inside his empty skull.

Could also be uttered like that from a Norwegian :) (Maybe also other
scandinavians??) anyway, spouting such a haunting way is not nice :-(
Better is 'ha, ha, ha' :) Uttered rapidly.
 
"Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Ah yes, but sodium phosphate and sulphate cellsalts help the body
> > assimilate calcium.
>
> Actually, they help the body excrete calcium.

Sodium phosphate and sulphate help keep the blood at the right PH
level. However, sodium has to be kept in balance with potassium and if
there isn't enough potassium the urine goes cloudy, presumably from
calcium being excreted.

> > If the blood gets too acid calcium drops out of
> > solution and deposits around the body - in joints, muscles, arteries
> > probably.
>
> Yeah, but the blood does not get too acid. Remember, the kidneys handle
> that.

The kidneys work when the body is in good health. When the body isn't
in good health, any one of the organs of elimination can fail.

> > I read about this in Paul Bragg's nature cure books. You can
> > look them up at www.amazon.com.
>
> That does not make it true. Most nature cures are really cures for the bank
> accounts of those writing the books. The books have few facts to back them
> up.

Why do you think the pharmaceutical-medical cartel are to intent on
keeping medicine "safe" by eliminating their competition, the
alternative medicine industry. Why don't they let doctors practise
nutritional medicine? Why do they spend thousands of dollars pushing
their products to doctors? Why is there so much chronic ill health and
so many diseases with no cures, despite all the money spend on
research?

Why do they run people like Rife, Reich and Koch out of business? Why
is medical innovation stifled?

> > > Thats great as it gets him out of the hospital bothering us so anything
> > > generating placebo meds so great for him and everybody else.
> >
> > Glossary term (from drug company controlled teaching institutions):
> > Placebo - anything cure that isn't produced using a pharmaceutical
> > product.

The truth about the Rockefeller drug empire
The Drug Story: By Hans Ruesch
From David Icke's Medical Archive:
http://www.davidicke.net/medicalarchives/conspiracy/drugstory.html


Something Rotten at the Core of Science? 
by David F. Horrobin 
http://www.digibio.com/archive/SomethingRotten.htm

"The core system by which the scientific community allots prestige (in
terms of oral presentations at major meetings and publication in major
journals) and funding, is a non-validated charade whose processes
generate results little better than does chance."

> > Conventional medicine is a racket controlled by the pharmaceutical
> > cartel.
>
> Only a small percentage (around 10%) of medical care is actually spent on
> drugs. Most of it goes to paying people in doctor's offices, hospitals,
> insurance companies, and the government.
> http://www.chcf.org/documents/other/HealthcareCostData.pdf.
>
> I have seen you and other talk about a pharmaceutical cartel. But I don't
> see you posting evidence that this cartel really exists.

Sure it exists, along with several others, like the transport and fuel
cartels. What do you think Bush is doing over in Iraq other than
cornering middle east oil.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm
 
>Subject: Re: The Acid question
>From: [email protected] (Carole)
>Date: 9/27/2003 6:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>

>However, sodium has to be kept in balance with potassium and if
>there isn't enough potassium the urine goes cloudy, presumably from
>calcium being excreted.
>

that statement makes no sense....."if the sodium is not kept in balance with
potassium.....(actually one can be in balance and the other out of
balance).."the urine goes cloudy "presumably from calcium being excreted"...

hmmm....why?? do you think calcium if it IS in the urine is like milk ..ie
cloudy?"

and how does that equate (anyway with your original that the calcium is being
"assimilated?"

you just contradicted yourself...

not to mention all the laws of physiology...
hawki
 
"Carole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > Ah yes, but sodium phosphate and sulphate cellsalts help the body
> > > assimilate calcium.
> >
> > Actually, they help the body excrete calcium.
>
> Sodium phosphate and sulphate help keep the blood at the right PH
> level. However, sodium has to be kept in balance with potassium and if
> there isn't enough potassium the urine goes cloudy, presumably from
> calcium being excreted.

For crying out loud will you stop with all that nonsense. Sodium and
potassium have the same positive charge so no, not in balance. You either
release K into the urine or a Na. There relative concentrations of sodium
is 140 meqs vs 4.0 meqs for potassium in the blood so that is a bunch of
nonsense.
Amorphous urates and amorphous phosphates can contribute to cloudy urines
which mean nothing as such.
Incredible how someone who pretends to use conventional medical rational
attacks it.


> Why do you think the pharmaceutical-medical cartel are to intent on
> keeping medicine "safe" by eliminating their competition, the
> alternative medicine industry. Why don't they let doctors practise
> nutritional medicine?
Lets see the doctor gets a type II diabetic which is overweight with a 600
glucose. Question what to do with this patient one) Tell the patient to get
rid of the weight and he will be cured of his diabetes or Two) give glucose
lowering meds.
Guess what? Most people know that weight gain is unhealthy but they eat
anyways so what are you going to tell these people? Tell them to come back
when they have a heart attack because they won't listen to you otherwise.
You and your coherts are the losers as nobody listen to you. They would
rather take a pill than to put up with any diet.

Why do they spend thousands of dollars pushing
> their products to doctors? Why is there so much chronic ill health and
> so many diseases with no cures, despite all the money spend on
> research?
Why is there so much chronic illness is because people live longer. LIVE
LONGER. They live longer because of meds. The average life expendency was
in the thirties or fourties at the term of the century. There was TB and
many infectious diseases like the plaque that killed off a third of the
worlds population.
There is many diseases like alzeihemers which is increasing along with
cancers and yes research is being done.
> Something Rotten at the Core of Science?
> by David F. Horrobin

> "The core system by which the scientific community allots prestige (in
> terms of oral presentations at major meetings and publication in major
> journals) and funding, is a non-validated charade whose processes
> generate results little better than does chance."

What he is saying that the studies are non validated which is a good
argument and alternate health has NO STUDIES so what does that make it.
 
[email protected]ospam (Hawki63) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >Subject: Re: The Acid question
> >From: [email protected] (Carole)
> >Date: 9/27/2003 6:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
> >However, sodium has to be kept in balance with potassium and if
> >there isn't enough potassium the urine goes cloudy, presumably from
> >calcium being excreted.
>
> that statement makes no sense....."if the sodium is not kept in balance with
> potassium.....(actually one can be in balance and the other out of
> balance).."the urine goes cloudy "presumably from calcium being excreted"...

Too much sodium produces a deficiency of potassium and vice versa.

> hmmm....why?? do you think calcium if it IS in the urine is like milk ..ie
> cloudy?"

A potassium deficiency makes the urine go cloudy, but when you take a
few potassium tablets it goes clear again - for some reason, maybe
calcium being excreted.

> and how does that equate (anyway with your original that the calcium is being
> "assimilated?"

The system has to be kept in balance. There is more than one one to
stuff up your body. That is why when you take cell salts you have to
be aware of changes in the body and adapt accordingly.

I'm going from my own experience, as I used to be very calcium
deficient. Its not enough just to take heaps of calcium because after
a while you start to get problems such as magnesium deficiency, sodium
and potassium deficiency etc. So as you take the calcium you watch out
for any supplementary deficiencies and take the cellsalts accordingly.

I think that potassium is another alkalizing mineral and they all work
together. The primary one is sodium and I'm not sure why the urine
goes cloudy if you take too much sodium, but it goes clear again when
you take some potassium tablets i.e., chelated potassium or potassium
containing the 3 cellsalts (potassium phosphate, sulphate and
chloride). Could be calcium being excreted but there may be another
reason.

I went into the chemist once to get some potassium tablets and they
showed me these cheap potassium chloride tablets. They would have been
alright if they had the potassium sulphate and chloride but not just
potassium chloride on its own. You need to read the labels.

> you just contradicted yourself...

Yes, I suppose I did, unintentionally.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/cellsalts.htm
 
"Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> http://groups.google.com/[email protected]&output=gplain
> > > >
> > > > http://www.healthlibrary.com/reading/ncure/chap11.htm
> > >
> > > This site is totally stupid. I already mentioned, the kidneys get rid of
> > > excess acid in urine.
> >
> > That isn't strictly true. What happens in the case of gout? This is
> > when a person has too much uric acid which can't be eliminated and it
> > forms crystals which accumulate around the feet and cause agony in the
> > sufferer.
>
> This is a problem with excretion of a particular compound. It has nothing
> to do with the compound being an acid. The person's acid/base balance
> remains intack during a gout attack.

Maybe the acid base does remain normal but when the acid can't be
neutralised it forms crystals and settles around the body. Maybe the
PH of the blood doesn't change. Gout is caused by eating and drinking
too rich food i.e, meat, alcohol which produced an acid residue when
they are metabolised.

> > I don't think modern medicine really has much of an idea about
> > treating this condition because I once knew a bloke who got regular
> > attacks which were very debilitating, causing him to have to stay home
> > with his feet up. He had been to the top rheumatic specialists in
> > Australia and they prescribed a drug called butazoladene (sp?) which
> > wouldn't stop an attack once it occurred, just prevented an attack.
> > However the side effects were dangerous if he took too much of the
> > drug.
> >
> > I told him about sodium phosphate and sodium sulphate tablets which he
> > took a couple each day for a year and never got an attack during that
> > period. Then he did an experiment and went off them and the attacks
> > began to return. He ended up swearing by the cellsalts and said he
> > would recommend them to any other sufferer of the condition, over the
> > drugs.
> >
> > Sodium phosphate is known as the acid neutraliser and sodium sulphate
> > removes poison charged fluids from the cells, the poison I assume is
> > waste products from food metabolism.
>
> Reallly? What makes you think this?

Because if you get a book on cellsalts it will tell you this. They
don't teach you this in med school because they teach pharmaceutical
based medicine which is in opposition to nature cure or homeopathic
medicine.

> > ********. Everybody knows that conventional medicine is geared towards
> > pharmaceutical drugs and denies the efficacy of foods, vitamins and
> > minerals in treating conditions.
>
> Well show us that foods, vitamins and minerals work in treating specific
> conditions that the medical community does not acknowledge. You make the
> claim. You back it.

For example, tinnitus is supposed to be incurable. Nothing can be done
for it, but silica or silicon dioxide (same thing) gets rid of it.
This is one of the 12 cellsalts and it is found in the cellulose or
roughage of vegetables or hard drinking water.

WHO FOOD ADDITIVES SERIES NO. 5
http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecfa/jecmono/v05je04.htm

"Observations in humans indicated that various conditions such as lung
diseases, chronic diseases and especially growth retardation in
children were associated with silicon deficiency."

> > Just open your eyes and ears to all the chronic disease in our society
> > which modern medicine is at a complete loss to cure. Work it out for
> > yourself - modern medicine isn't going to "spill the beans" on itself,
> > is it?
>
> Why do you except that modern medicine would have a cure for chronic
> diseases? Modern medicine is pretty good at prolonging life and improving
> the quality of life. For example, people with permanent heart damage (e.g.,
> following a heart attack) are doing much better, in part because of better
> treatment of heart attacks and heart failure. I don't remember modern
> medicine ever making a claim to cure many chronic diseases.

The Great American Drug Conspiracy
Undermining America at it's Roots
http://drugconspiracy.netfirms.com/
Some Food for Thought
Do you ever wonder why, with the hundreds of billions of dollars that
have gone into research through contributions, telethons, grants, and
other government funding that there are still no cures for: Cancer,
AIDS, Multiple Sclerosis, Muscular Dystrophy or Heart Disease just to
name a few in the health industry?
Do you ever wonder why there are so few medications that actually
"Cure" a disease... but only treat a symptom?

> In fact, much that medicine has been talking about involves prevention:
> Don't smoke, eat well and excercising. Doing these three things will do more
> to prolong the average person's life than anything else. Add vaccine to this
> mix vaccines and good sanitation and clean water.

True, medicine does dwell a little on prevention. They could do a lot
more such as advising of nutritional supplements. I'm not too sure
about vaccinations and think they may be a scam.

> > Modern medicine is unable to cure asthma, allergies, dementia,
> > arthritis, rheumatism, diabetes and so on. All chronic diseases
> > resulting from faulty diets - but they won't tell you that, you figure
> > it out from reading alternative health information and thinking for
> > yourself.
>
> Can you provide evidence that these are really caused by a faulty diet?
> Asthma, rheumatoid arthritis and other autoimmune like type 1 diebetes and
> allergies are a result of the body's immune system overreacting to various
> triggers like pollen and other allergens.

I used to be allergic to housedust and get asthma from it. I took
homeopathic sodium chloride (nat mur) every time I got an attack and
it alleviated the attacks. After 5 years on cellsalts I stopped
getting these attacks.

> Poor diet contributes to some types of dementia.
>
> Poor diet and lack of excercise contributes to diabetes.
>
> No question about it.
>
> However, I do read alternative health information. I find it full of
> unsupported conjectors and people trying to make money off of products that
> don't work.

I tried a few diets and products and found they didn't do anything
that I could notice. However, cellsalts work and I find it amazing
that the medical profession doesn't acknowledge them. I can only
assume they are under the control of the pharmaceutical cartel.

> Please prove our contention that alternative health information about diet
> is correct.

I don't understand what you are requesting. Please restate.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/cellsalts.htm
 
[email protected] (Carole) wrote in
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> I used to be allergic to housedust and get asthma from it. I took
> homeopathic sodium chloride (nat mur) every time I got an attack and
> it alleviated the attacks. After 5 years on cellsalts I stopped
> getting these attacks.

I used to get really bad hay fever every late summer and early fall. When
I was about 30, it started getting better, and within about 5 years, it was
essentially gone. What did I do differently? Nothing. Nada. Zip. It
just improved on its own, as I understand it often does. If I had been
taking "cellsalts" during that time, you'd surely have attributed the
improvement to them, wouldn't you? But I wasn't. Nor was I using any
conventional medical treatment to try to cure my hayfever. Yet it still
stopped. How do you explain that?

The point of my little story is that testimonials and personal experience
can be quite misleading as to the effectiveness of a particular therapy.
If I had tried *any* therapy, alternative or conventional, "natural" or Big
Pharma-based, for my hay fever during that time, I'd have been able to
offer a convincing-sounding testimonial for it. No matter what it was. My
personal experience would have been that the hay fever went away after I
pursued the therapy. That's why properly evaluating a therapy requires
control groups, randomization, blinding, and all that other stuff. So the
therapy doesn't wind up taking the credit for something that would have
happened all on its own.
 
>Subject: Re: The Acid question
>From: [email protected] (Carole)
>Date: 9/28/2003 3:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>

>Too much sodium produces a deficiency of potassium and vice versa.

totally bogus...

sodium homeostasis is much related to water intake ....dehydration will cause
an increased serum sodium....hydrate the person,,,and the serum sodium will
normalize...

potassium is an entirely different matter....those with normal kidney function
can excrete as much potassium as they can eat....now pushing a syringe full of
potassium can be lethal...

one level does NOT vary automatically with a change in the other...

look up homeostasis...the body is excellent at "holding in" what it needs,,,and
excreting what is in excess....it will do that automatically (assuming of
course the person is healthy with normal organ functions)

>A potassium deficiency makes the urine go cloudy, but when you take a
>few potassium tablets it goes clear again - for some reason, maybe
>calcium being excreted.

totally bogus...potassium and calcium are both positive ions....a potasssium
deficiency CAN be quite serious...causes muscle cramps..etc...what is the
biggest muscle?? right..the heart....

>The system has to be kept in balance.

that is a true statement...


hawki
 
>Subject: Re: The Acid question
>From: [email protected] (Carole)
>Date: 9/28/2003 4:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>

>I took
>homeopathic sodium chloride (nat mur) every time I got an attack an

you mean "diluted table salt"....

oh yeah...surely would affect one's allergies and asthma.....NOT

you do know that the above conditions are cyclical?? they come and go...
hawki
 
Eric Bohlman wrote:

> [email protected] (Carole) wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > I used to be allergic to housedust and get asthma from it. I took
> > homeopathic sodium chloride (nat mur) every time I got an attack and
> > it alleviated the attacks. After 5 years on cellsalts I stopped
> > getting these attacks.
>
> I used to get really bad hay fever every late summer and early fall. When
> I was about 30, it started getting better, and within about 5 years, it was
> essentially gone. What did I do differently? Nothing. Nada. Zip. It
> just improved on its own, as I understand it often does. If I had been
> taking "cellsalts" during that time, you'd surely have attributed the
> improvement to them, wouldn't you? But I wasn't. Nor was I using any
> conventional medical treatment to try to cure my hayfever. Yet it still
> stopped. How do you explain that?
>
> The point of my little story is that testimonials and personal experience
> can be quite misleading as to the effectiveness of a particular therapy.
> If I had tried *any* therapy, alternative or conventional, "natural" or Big
> Pharma-based, for my hay fever during that time, I'd have been able to
> offer a convincing-sounding testimonial for it. No matter what it was. My
> personal experience would have been that the hay fever went away after I
> pursued the therapy. That's why properly evaluating a therapy requires
> control groups, randomization, blinding, and all that other stuff. So the
> therapy doesn't wind up taking the credit for something that would have
> happened all on its own.

ERIC

"Cell Salts"??? Na-Cl IS common table salt...they probably removed all the

valuable minerals from same and SOLD it as an "HEALING SUBSTANCE"???
Yikes what a RIP-OFF! There ARE some herbals commonly available and
usually
grow in most wild areas ( except one) MULLEIN, Horehound, usually are
found i
in the wild but can be purchased from a GOOD Herbal company! A close
relative
that I ADD to the afore-mentioned is "Lamb's Ear". An astringent and
..another
"hairy-leafed" herbal as they ALL are I also add RED CLOVER..a KNOWN
anti-oxident and skin healer.
A minute pinch of Ceyenne assures healing! Take equal parts, "Bruise"
and simmer
for 10 minutes..filter when cooled and bottle and keep in a cool place.
GOOD STUFF
MAYNARD!!! It has kept me HEALED now for over 10 yrs after 40 yrs of
MISERY!
All to whom I've given this recipe have been blessed with its' healing
qualities. B-0b1
 
Eric Bohlman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> I used to get really bad hay fever every late summer and early fall. When
> I was about 30, it started getting better, and within about 5 years, it was
> essentially gone. What did I do differently? Nothing. Nada. Zip. It
> just improved on its own, as I understand it often does. If I had been
> taking "cellsalts" during that time, you'd surely have attributed the
> improvement to them, wouldn't you? But I wasn't. Nor was I using any
> conventional medical treatment to try to cure my hayfever. Yet it still
> stopped. How do you explain that?
>
> The point of my little story is that testimonials and personal experience
> can be quite misleading as to the effectiveness of a particular therapy.
> If I had tried *any* therapy, alternative or conventional, "natural" or Big
> Pharma-based, for my hay fever during that time, I'd have been able to
> offer a convincing-sounding testimonial for it. No matter what it was. My
> personal experience would have been that the hay fever went away after I
> pursued the therapy. That's why properly evaluating a therapy requires
> control groups, randomization, blinding, and all that other stuff. So the
> therapy doesn't wind up taking the credit for something that would have
> happened all on its own.

You mean double blind tests, the type the pharmaceutical companies do
which cost millions of dollars? Where they pay for a whole heap of
random double blind studies and pick the ones that favour their drugs?

Or peer review where the chances are as good as a toss of the dice. No
thanks! I would rather trust my own experience.
You obviously don't know anything about the nature cure system and
your opinion is therefore worthless.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
 
[email protected]ospam (Hawki63) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >Subject: Re: The Acid question
> >From: [email protected] (Carole)
> >Date: 9/28/2003 4:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
> >I took
> >homeopathic sodium chloride (nat mur) every time I got an attack an
>
> you mean "diluted table salt"....

I know it sounds strange but obviously you don't understand anything
about homeopathic treatment, only the conventional mentality.

> oh yeah...surely would affect one's allergies and asthma.....NOT

There's not much point trying to communicate with conventional
medicine people, who have been brought up in the allopathic schools
with teachings and textbooks designed to favour pharmaceutical
problems.

> you do know that the above conditions are cyclical?? they come and go...
> hawki

You obviously don't know anything about the corrupt pharmaceutical
cartel, which originages from I.G.Farben in Germany, which modern
medicine is based on and their only goal is making money - nothing to
do with curing anything.

The truth about the Rockefeller drug empire
The Drug Story: By Hans Ruesch
From David Icke's Medical Archive:
http://www.davidicke.net/medicalarchives/conspiracy/drugstory.html

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm
 
"Carole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fcb180f1.0309291636.3d061fd4@posting.
>
> You mean double blind tests, the type the pharmaceutical companies do
> which cost millions of dollars? Where they pay for a whole heap of
> random double blind studies and pick the ones that favour their drugs?

Hey, moron: like the original poster, you could easily have done a set of
double-blind tests *on yourself* at almost no cost, and the result would
have been that you didn't post here in a way that made you come across as a
deluded, idiotic ****.

Worth thinking about for the future, eh?

Ph.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Philippic <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Carole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:fcb180f1.0309291636.3d061fd4@posting.
>>
>> You mean double blind tests, the type the pharmaceutical companies do
>> which cost millions of dollars? Where they pay for a whole heap of
>> random double blind studies and pick the ones that favour their drugs?
>
>Hey, moron: like the original poster, you could easily have done a set of
>double-blind tests *on yourself* at almost no cost, and the result would
>have been that you didn't post here in a way that made you come across as a
>deluded, idiotic ****.
>
>Worth thinking about for the future, eh?

Hey, ya big bully, don't you go trying to confuse Carole with all your
"scientific" gobbledygook doubledome doubletalk! She's made up her
mind (what there is of it) and she *knows* the answers and anyone who
tries to tell her she might be wrong is part of The Conspiracy! And
don't you think she doesn't know it! And Cell Salts cure anything!
And the Loch Ness Monster works for the CIA! And the Queen of England
is part of the international Drug Cartel!

So there!

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
 
> >Hey, moron: like the original poster, you could easily have done a set of
> >double-blind tests *on yourself* at almost no cost, and the result would
> >have been that you didn't post here in a way that made you come across as a
> >deluded, idiotic ****.
> >
> >Worth thinking about for the future, eh?
>
> Hey, ya big bully, don't you go trying to confuse Carole with all your
> "scientific" gobbledygook doubledome doubletalk! She's made up her
> mind (what there is of it) and she *knows* the answers and anyone who
> tries to tell her she might be wrong is part of The Conspiracy! And
> don't you think she doesn't know it! And Cell Salts cure anything!
> And the Loch Ness Monster works for the CIA! And the Queen of England
> is part of the international Drug Cartel!

You've figured me out to a certain extent. Yes, I have made up my
mind.
I've been taking cellsalts for a long time with ever increasing
results - why would I deny it?
And yes, there is a conspiracy going on - prove me wrong. Allopathic
medicine is only interested in selling more drugs and treatment
instead of cure. Sorry if you can't handle the truth Dave.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
 
"Carole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > >Hey, moron: like the original poster, you could easily have done a set
of
> > >double-blind tests *on yourself* at almost no cost, and the result
would
> > >have been that you didn't post here in a way that made you come across
as a
> > >deluded, idiotic ****.
> > >
> > >Worth thinking about for the future, eh?
> >
> > Hey, ya big bully, don't you go trying to confuse Carole with all your
> > "scientific" gobbledygook doubledome doubletalk! She's made up her
> > mind (what there is of it) and she *knows* the answers and anyone who
> > tries to tell her she might be wrong is part of The Conspiracy! And
> > don't you think she doesn't know it! And Cell Salts cure anything!
> > And the Loch Ness Monster works for the CIA! And the Queen of England
> > is part of the international Drug Cartel!
>
> You've figured me out to a certain extent. Yes, I have made up my
> mind.

Took only a half-second?

> I've been taking cellsalts for a long time with ever increasing
> results - why would I deny it?
> And yes, there is a conspiracy going on - prove me wrong. Allopathic
> medicine is only interested in selling more drugs and treatment
> instead of cure. Sorry if you can't handle the truth Dave.

True. gLowlife Dave, the spammin' scammin' MLMer cannot handle the truth.
 
>Subject: Re: The Acid question
>From: [email protected] (Carole)
>Date: 10/8/2003 4:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>

>I've been taking cellsalts for a long time with ever increasing
>results - why would I deny it?

> Allopathic
>medicine is only interested in selling more drugs and treatment
>instead of cure. Sorry if you can't

but wait..if the cell salts "cure"....why have you continued to take them?? You
should be "cured" by now???


hawki
 
"Hawki63" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Subject: Re: The Acid question
> >From: [email protected] (Carole)
> >Date: 10/8/2003 4:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
> >I've been taking cellsalts for a long time with ever increasing
> >results - why would I deny it?
>
> > Allopathic
> >medicine is only interested in selling more drugs and treatment
> >instead of cure. Sorry if you can't
>
> but wait..if the cell salts "cure"....why have you continued to take
them?? You
> should be "cured" by now???

A question founded in complete ignorance of anything nutritional.
Without nutrition you lose health of body, mind and spirit. I'm
thinkin' you better get you some, soon.
 
>Subject: Re: The Acid question
>From: "Dave" [email protected]
>Date: 10/8/2003 10:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>

>A question founded in complete ignorance of anything nutritional.
>Without nutrition you lose health of body, mind and spirit. I'm
>thinkin' you better get you some, so

a reply founded in complete ignorance of anything physiologic

cells salts are NOT nutritional...no calories..no fat,,protein,,or carbs

they are solutions of electrolytes...


hawki
 
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