The Acid question



In article <[email protected]>,
Carole <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Hey, moron: like the original poster, you could easily have done a set of
>> >double-blind tests *on yourself* at almost no cost, and the result would
>> >have been that you didn't post here in a way that made you come across as a
>> >deluded, idiotic ****.
>> >
>> >Worth thinking about for the future, eh?
>>
>> Hey, ya big bully, don't you go trying to confuse Carole with all your
>> "scientific" gobbledygook doubledome doubletalk! She's made up her
>> mind (what there is of it) and she *knows* the answers and anyone who
>> tries to tell her she might be wrong is part of The Conspiracy! And
>> don't you think she doesn't know it! And Cell Salts cure anything!
>> And the Loch Ness Monster works for the CIA! And the Queen of England
>> is part of the international Drug Cartel!
>
>You've figured me out to a certain extent. Yes, I have made up my
>mind.
>I've been taking cellsalts for a long time with ever increasing
>results - why would I deny it?

Why indeed, at this point? But why claim they're so good? After all,
they don't cure anything -- you have to keep taking them -- and they
work incredibly slowly (years).

>And yes, there is a conspiracy going on - prove me wrong.

There is nothing I could say, no matter how reasonable or well-
documented, that would convince you.

>Allopathic medicine is only interested in selling more drugs and
>treatment instead of cure.

Sure, Carole. All doctors are evil moneygrubbers who don't want their
patients to get well.

>Sorry if you can't handle the truth Dave.

Carole, if you ever stumble over the truth, you'll pick yourself up,
dust yourself off, and move on without noticing.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
 
[email protected] (David Wright) wrote in news:eek:C5hb.7054$sQ.1396
@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Carole <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >Hey, moron: like the original poster, you could easily have done a
set of
>>> >double-blind tests *on yourself* at almost no cost, and the result
would
>>> >have been that you didn't post here in a way that made you come
across as a
>>> >deluded, idiotic ****.
>>> >
>>> >Worth thinking about for the future, eh?
>>>
>>> Hey, ya big bully, don't you go trying to confuse Carole with all your
>>> "scientific" gobbledygook doubledome doubletalk! She's made up her
>>> mind (what there is of it) and she *knows* the answers and anyone who
>>> tries to tell her she might be wrong is part of The Conspiracy! And
>>> don't you think she doesn't know it! And Cell Salts cure anything!
>>> And the Loch Ness Monster works for the CIA! And the Queen of England
>>> is part of the international Drug Cartel!
>>
>>You've figured me out to a certain extent. Yes, I have made up my
>>mind.
>>I've been taking cellsalts for a long time with ever increasing
>>results - why would I deny it?
>
> Why indeed, at this point? But why claim they're so good? After all,
> they don't cure anything -- you have to keep taking them -- and they
> work incredibly slowly (years).
>
>>And yes, there is a conspiracy going on - prove me wrong.
>
> There is nothing I could say, no matter how reasonable or well-
> documented, that would convince you.
>
>>Allopathic medicine is only interested in selling more drugs and
>>treatment instead of cure.
>
> Sure, Carole. All doctors are evil moneygrubbers who don't want their
> patients to get well.
>
>>Sorry if you can't handle the truth Dave.
>
> Carole, if you ever stumble over the truth, you'll pick yourself up,
> dust yourself off, and move on without noticing.
>


I don't believe that for one moment she would move on without noticing.
SHe would curse the truth as a lie and try to stomp it out of existence.
Once satisfied that she had 'killed' the truth, she go continue forward
skipping and with her fingers in her ears he would sing, "La - la - la. I
know a secret. la - la - la. The conspiracies are everywhere. la - la -
la. The jews deserved it. ..."

r



--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.
 
[email protected]ospam (Hawki63) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >Subject: Re: The Acid question
> >From: [email protected] (Carole)
> >Date: 9/28/2003 3:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >
>
> >Too much sodium produces a deficiency of potassium and vice versa.
>
> totally bogus...
>
> sodium homeostasis is much related to water intake ....dehydration will cause
> an increased serum sodium....hydrate the person,,,and the serum sodium will
> normalize...
>
> potassium is an entirely different matter....those with normal kidney function
> can excrete as much potassium as they can eat....now pushing a syringe full of
> potassium can be lethal...
>
> one level does NOT vary automatically with a change in the other...
>
> look up homeostasis...the body is excellent at "holding in" what it needs,,,and

Oh, and so can you explain how people get osteoporosis if the body is
so efficient at holding nutrients it needs?


> excreting what is in excess....it will do that automatically (assuming of
> course the person is healthy with normal organ functions)

Yes, assuming that the body functions are acting normally. But what I
am saying is that a deficiency of a cellsalt will stop the body from
being normal, and that this causes disease.

> >A potassium deficiency makes the urine go cloudy, but when you take a
> >few potassium tablets it goes clear again - for some reason, maybe
> >calcium being excreted.
>
> totally bogus...potassium and calcium are both positive ions....a potasssium
> deficiency CAN be quite serious...causes muscle cramps..etc...what is the
> biggest muscle?? right..the heart....

I've been thinking about this and how I think it probably works is
that sodium keeps the calcium in solution instead of depositing it
around the body in joints, muscles, arteries or wherever. This is why
a lot of sodium makes the urine go cloudy because the calcium gets
excreted.
But when you take potassium the sodium gets balanced with the
potassium and the calcium gets used in the body. It makes sense.

And you do know, don't you, about the manipulation of medicine in
favour of pharmaceutical products by the Rockefeller drug empire. Its
all about making money.

The truth about the Rockefeller drug empire
The Drug Story -- by Hans Ruesch
From David Icke's Medical Archive:
http://www.davidicke.net/medicalarchives/conspiracy/drugstory.html

Also
Naked Empress or The Great Medical Fraud
by Hans Ruesch
http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/reviews1.html#naked

Following up his sensational SLAUGHTER OF THE INNOCENT, this new
exposé of Hans Ruesch shows how with the help of press agentry and the
venality of most of the mass media the public has been brainwashed
into equating MEDICAL CARE with HEALTH, whereas in fact exactly the
opposite applies: modern medicine has become the principal cause of
disease today.
So in one year 1.5 million Americans had to be hospitalised as a
consequence of the intake of drugs that were supposed to "cure" them
of one thing or other. Another case in point is cancer. The ably
exploited fear of this dread disease, caused for the most part by
products issuing from chemical, industrial and pharmaceutical
laboratories, has become a solid gold source for researchers, drug
manufacturers and doctors, who keep foisting their deleterious
cut-burn-poison therapies on the frightened patients, most of whom die
from the treatment before the cancer can kill them.
Since the cause of most cancers is well-known, they could be avoided
through prevention, which early education should provide. And yet,
practically no public funds go into prevention because there is no
money to be gained with it - only health. The big money is all in the
pseudo "Research," done on millions of animals, which can only give
fallacious answers, and in the treatment of the patients with violent,
destructive, but immensely lucrative therapies imposed by official
medicine.
Certified reports of cancers completely cured by "soft", drugless
treatments, usually based on natural diets, mostly various raw foods,
have been piling up both in Europe and the USA. But all the competent
and honest doctors who threaten the profits of the lucrative medical
trade with inexpensive therapies are being viciously attacked,
vilified as "quacks and charlatans," sometimes even barred from the
profession, by the quacks and charlatans who make up the
profit-oriented Medical Power.
Animal experimentation, inevitably misleading, is of course the alibi
that has been devised by this organisation for extorting huge grants
for a phoney Research, and to safeguard the drug manufacturers from
criminal prosecution whenever the deleterious effects of one more of
their noxious products can no longer be concealed. Then they can
always say "all the prescribed tests" (on animals) had been
conscientiously undertaken. But not saying that they themselves, in
collusion with the Health agencies and corrupt or misled politicos,
have imposed those tests.
Not more chemicals, but fewer chemicals, not an increase of drugs, but
a drastic reduction of drugs, and not a multiplication of animal
experiments, but a total abolition of all such "alibi" experiments,
are the inescapable premise for a betterment of living conditions and
an improvement of public health. The present book brings ample proof
of this, besides unearthing some information that many powerful
individuals in America and abroad would prefer to keep buried forever.
"Hans Ruesch has done a painstaking job of research and has compiled
the most serious indictment against the world-wide Chemo-Medical
Syndicate ever before published." (THE NATIONAL HUMANITARIAN, Phoenix,
Arizona.)

http://www.cancertutor.com/WarBetween/War_Research.html
There have been many books written on why you don't know about the 50
best treatment plans for cancer,
The reason you don't know about any of these scores of books is
because they don't get any publicity in the media. When a book comes
out that makes orthodox medicine look good, it is likely to get lots
of free publicity in the media. But not the books that support
alternative medicine and certainly not the books that expose the
corruption in Big Pharma and its puppets.
World Without Cancer, by G. Edward Griffin,
The Healing of Cancer, by Barry Lynes,
The Assault on Medical Freedom, by P. Joseph Lisa,
The Politics of Cancer Revisited, by Samuel S. Epstein, M.D.,
Rockefeller Medicine Men - Medicine and Capitalism in America, by E.
Richard Brown,
Unhealthy Charities - Hazardous To Your Health and Wealth, by James T.
Bennett and Thomas J. DiLorenzo,
and many, many others.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm
 
>Subject: Re: The Acid question
>From: [email protected] (Carole)
>Date: 10/20/2003 12:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>

> >Too much sodium produces a deficiency of potassium and vice versa.

we were discussing sodium and potassium

>Oh, and so can you explain how people get osteoporosis if the body is
>so efficient at holding nutrients it


>that sodium keeps the calcium in solution instead of depositing it
>around the body in joints, muscles, arteries or wherever. This is why

totally bogus..

firstly 99% of calcium in the body is in bones and teeth...

of the 1% in the blood....of that...40% is bound to a protein,,esp albumin

that only leaves .006 % of calcium to be in the blood

osteoporosis is the result of a faster breakdown of osteoclasts (bone building
cells) that a buildup of same...bones are built and made strong primarily in
the teens,,20's and 30's ,,,better if adequate calcium in the diet,,exposure to
sun (vit d)..and weight bearing exercise

at around age 40 (a bit older for men)...the increased breakdown can result in
"weaker bones"...first definted as "osteopenia".....long before osteoporosis..
to delay this bone loss...one is encouraged to take in 1200-1500 mg of oral
calcium,,Vit D and continue weight bearing exercise...if necessary..there are
drugs that can help both rebuild bones,,and reduce the amount of loss


hawki
 
>Subject: Re: The Acid question
>From: [email protected] (Carole)
>Date: 10/20/2003 12:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>

>if the body is
>so efficient at holding nutrients it

homeostasis refers to electrolytes and water,,,not nutrients

and calcium is a different story...see other post

>I think it probably works is
>that sodium keeps the calcium in solution instead of depositing it
>around the body in joints, muscles, arteries or wherever. This is why
>a lot of sodium makes the urine go

>cloudy because the calcium gets
>excreted.
>But when you take potassium the sodium gets balanced with the
>potassium and the calcium gets used in the body. It makes sense.

sodium in the blood has NOTHING to do with excretion of calcium...or its
depostion in "bones,,joints...etc"

remember 99% of calcium is in bones and teeth...40% of the remaining 1% is
protein bound...doesn't leave much to be excreted..

also remember that sodium.,.potassium and calcium are all positive ions...they
cannot bind to each other..

lastly...what makes you think that even IF calcium is excreted in the
urine,,that would make the urine cloudy??? you obviously don't understand
physiology of the renal system....


hawki
 
"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> > Ah yes, but sodium phosphate and sulphate cellsalts help the body
> > assimilate calcium. If the blood gets too acid calcium drops out of
> > solution and deposits around the body - in joints, muscles, arteries
> > probably. I read about this in Paul Bragg's nature cure books. You can
> > look them up at www.amazon.com.
>
> Why use science and medicine something of which you have contempt for.
> ??????

I got that information from one of Paul Bragg's books (nature cure
guru from years ago, maybe 1940-60s) - don't know where he got it from
though.

> It's called bone formation. You want to be able to maintain bone formation
> in which calcium is a vital part. Acid and alkaline enzymes are an integral
> part of that homeostatic regulation. Bone is not static but dissolves and
> builds based on the bodies needs.

That's right. And if a person's diet is calcium deficient it comes out
of the bones.

> ...You need the building blocks of calcium
> and phosphorus but to use disease states like renal failure as a model for
> normal is bizarre. You equate an acid urine with acidosis of renal failure.
> Renal failure causes acidosis with the build up of waste products unable to
> be excreted by the damaged kidney. If you ever get renal failure you will
> have one leg up with your pills but it will not prevent you from getting
> renal failure.

I don't know where you got the idea I was talking about renal failure.
Where did I say that?
What I was talking about was sometimes the urine goes cloudy - but,
whatever causes this condition, the urine goes clear again after some
potassium tablets.

I don't know anything about renal failure, but feel free to explain
what it is in layman's terms.

> As far as phosphates you can be like that Swedish chemist who got all these
> non dairy creamers for coffee and washed his white shirts with. They can
> out real nice and white and you want to take those pills everyday?

Who takes dairy whitener? Obviously forms of sodium, potassium,
calcium etc are used to make building products, bombs, glues and a
range of products. But to say that because calcium is used to make
plaster means I eat plaster is a rash assumption.

I take cellsalts calcium (phosphate, sulph and fluoride), potassium
(phos, sulph and chloride), sodium (phos, sulph and homeopathic
chloride) , magnesium phos, iron phos and silica.

> > > > I don't think modern medicine really has much of an idea about
> > > > treating this condition
>
> So you don't use modern medicine then and only use made up pseudoscience to
> mold it into something that resembles medicine in order to sell products or
> arguements.

"Pseudo science" is the name given to many things to discredit them,
but in fact the pharmaceutical industry is pseudo science and
nutritional remedies are the true science.

> > Conventional medicine is a racket controlled by the pharmaceutical
> > cartel.
> Pharmaceuticals are a big part of medicine which is why people have been
> living longer. You even use pharmaceuticals yourself in your little pills
> that will whiten your insides through and through.

Patented pharmaceutical drugs is what I'm talking about.

The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/
laws_of_the_pharmaceutical_industry.htm

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm
 
"Carole" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> "Pseudo science" is the name given to many things to discredit them,
> but in fact the pharmaceutical industry is pseudo science and
> nutritional remedies are the true science.
>

No, pseudoscience is the use of scientific-sounding language that has no actual scientific meaning, but is meant to impress uneducated people, usually to sell a product.

Main Entry: pseu·do·sci·ence
Pronunciation: "sü-dO-'sI-&n(t)s
Function: noun
Date: 1844
: a system of theories, assumptions, and methods erroneously regarded as scientific
- pseu·do·sci·en·tif·ic /-"sI-&n-'ti-fik/ adjective

(from: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary)
 
Once upon a time, our fellow Rich Shewmaker
rambled on about "Re: The Acid question."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>> "Pseudo science" is the name given to many things to discredit them,
>> but in fact the pharmaceutical industry is pseudo science and
>> nutritional remedies are the true science.

The pharmaceutical industry is something that I do not participate in
becuase I am not a druggie.

Just thought that you might want to know. :)
 
"John 'the Man'" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
..
>
> The pharmaceutical industry is something that I do not participate in
> becuase I am not a druggie.
>

Main Entry: drug·gie
Variant(s): also drug·gy /'dr&-gE/
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural druggies
Date: 1967
: one who habitually uses drugs


Main Entry: 1drug
Pronunciation: 'dr&g
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English drogge
Date: 14th century
1 a obsolete : a substance used in dyeing or chemical operations b : a substance used as a medication or in the preparation of medication c according to the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (1) : a substance recognized in an official pharmacopoeia or formulary (2) : a substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease (3) : a substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body (4) : a substance intended for use as a component of a medicine but not a device or a component, part, or accessory of a device
2 : a commodity that is not salable or for which there is no demand -- used in the phrase drug on the market
3 : something and often an illegal substance that causes addiction, habituation, or a marked change in consciousness


So, whether people who take prescribed medications for health conditions are "druggies" depends on which definition of "drugs" you prefer to use. Personally I prefer to reserve the word for people who use recreational drugs as in definition #3. In fact, most medical professionals I know seldom use the word "drugs" to refer to legal medications. Obviously, you prefer to call those who take legal medications "druggies." Be my guest. Arguing semantics is silly.

But you should not have so much chutzpah [look it up yourself] about your good health. The day may come when you will need the products of those evil pharmaceutical companies to stay alive. When that happens I may not be able to suppress my schadenfreude.

Just thought you might want to know.

--Rich
 
On 20 Oct 2003 17:26:30 -0700, [email protected] (Carole)
posted:

>"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>> > Ah yes, but sodium phosphate and sulphate cellsalts help the body
>> > assimilate calcium. If the blood gets too acid calcium drops out of
>> > solution and deposits around the body - in joints, muscles, arteries
>> > probably. I read about this in Paul Bragg's nature cure books. You can
>> > look them up at www.amazon.com.
>>
>> Why use science and medicine something of which you have contempt for.
>> ??????
>
>I got that information from one of Paul Bragg's books (nature cure
>guru from years ago, maybe 1940-60s) - don't know where he got it from
>though.
>
>> It's called bone formation. You want to be able to maintain bone formation
>> in which calcium is a vital part. Acid and alkaline enzymes are an integral
>> part of that homeostatic regulation. Bone is not static but dissolves and
>> builds based on the bodies needs.
>
>That's right. And if a person's diet is calcium deficient it comes out
>of the bones.

And what is a calcium deficient diet?
(Not coke and fries :)

>> ...You need the building blocks of calcium
>> and phosphorus but to use disease states like renal failure as a model for
>> normal is bizarre. You equate an acid urine with acidosis of renal failure.
>> Renal failure causes acidosis with the build up of waste products unable to
>> be excreted by the damaged kidney. If you ever get renal failure you will
>> have one leg up with your pills but it will not prevent you from getting
>> renal failure.
>
>I don't know where you got the idea I was talking about renal failure.
>Where did I say that?
>What I was talking about was sometimes the urine goes cloudy - but,
>whatever causes this condition, the urine goes clear again after some
>potassium tablets.

And without the potassium tablets?
What about a glass of water?

>I don't know anything about renal failure, but feel free to explain
>what it is in layman's terms.

So what are you faffing on about calcium balance, if you haven't a
clue how the kidneys work?

>> As far as phosphates you can be like that Swedish chemist who got all these
>> non dairy creamers for coffee and washed his white shirts with. They can
>> out real nice and white and you want to take those pills everyday?
>
>Who takes dairy whitener? Obviously forms of sodium, potassium,
>calcium etc are used to make building products, bombs, glues and a
>range of products. But to say that because calcium is used to make
>plaster means I eat plaster is a rash assumption.
>
>I take cellsalts calcium (phosphate, sulph and fluoride), potassium
>(phos, sulph and chloride), sodium (phos, sulph and homeopathic
>chloride) , magnesium phos, iron phos and silica.

I hope you don't pay for it. I get that in my drinking water and diet,
Just as much as I need, all for free.

BTW, if you eat calcium sulfate, you are eating plaster.

>> > > > I don't think modern medicine really has much of an idea about
>> > > > treating this condition
>>
>> So you don't use modern medicine then and only use made up pseudoscience to
>> mold it into something that resembles medicine in order to sell products or
>> arguements.
>
>"Pseudo science" is the name given to many things to discredit them,
>but in fact the pharmaceutical industry is pseudo science and
>nutritional remedies are the true science.

The former has evidence of efficacy, the latter does not.

>> > Conventional medicine is a racket controlled by the pharmaceutical
>> > cartel.
>> Pharmaceuticals are a big part of medicine which is why people have been
>> living longer. You even use pharmaceuticals yourself in your little pills
>> that will whiten your insides through and through.
>
>Patented pharmaceutical drugs is what I'm talking about.

Try a pharmacology text, and open your eyes.
 
Once upon a time, our fellow Rich Shewmaker
rambled on about "Re: The Acid question."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>But you should not have so much chutzpah [look it up yourself]
>about your good health. The day may come when you will need
> the products of those evil pharmaceutical companies to stay
>alive. When that happens I may not be able to suppress my
>schadenfreude.

With malicious glee, the evil pharmaceutical companies depend on the
elderly buying into the health industry ******** about everyone one
being helpless.

Anyone who chronically takes prescription drugs is a pathetic excuse
for a human being who is obviously doing something wrong.

Just my opinion. But, I am *right* as usual!
--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

Get started on improving your personal health and fitness, today.
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Once upon a time, our fellow Rich Shewmaker
rambled on about "Re: The Acid question."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>But you should not have so much chutzpah [look it up yourself]

Perhaps you meant: chutzpeh ?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
 
"John 'the Man'" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> Anyone who chronically takes prescription drugs is a pathetic excuse
> for a human being who is obviously doing something wrong.
>
> Just my opinion. But, I am *right* as usual!

No, you are wrong as usual. But enjoy your fantasy--time wounds all heels.

--Rich
 
Once upon a time, our fellow Rich Shewmaker
rambled on about "Re: The Acid question."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>> Anyone who chronically takes prescription drugs is a pathetic excuse
>> for a human being who is obviously doing something wrong.
>>
>> Just my opinion. But, I am *right* as usual!
>
>No, you are wrong as usual. But enjoy your fantasy--time wounds all heels.
>
>--Rich

The word game that I am playing Rich is the word "chronically."
Perhaps, if you were to use the dictionary?

Anybody who chronically takes prescription drugs is planning on
staying sick, rather than on getting well. :(

Getting well, takes effort.

Just my opinion. But, I am *right* as usual!
 
>Subject: Re: The Acid question
>From: John 'the Man' [email protected]
>Date: 10/21/2003 10:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>

> Anyone who chronically takes prescription drugs is a pathetic excuse
>>> for a human being who is

>Anybody who chronically takes prescription drugs is planning on
>staying sick, rather than on getting

so the insulin and oral meds for diabetes...or the blood pressure meds...or
cardiac meds...

yeah...we'll just stop them..and try "natural" junk....NOT

you know what...I have absolutely no problem with anyone spending/wasting their
money on pond scum,,,acid reducing plaster,,and even Davey's overpriced
ginseng...

but please stop practicing medicine without a license...which is what you all
do when you attempt to convince the public that "prescription drugs are evil"
mantra..


hawki
 
[email protected]ospam (Hawki63) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >Subject: Re: The Acid question
> >From: John 'the Man' [email protected]
> >Date: 10/21/2003 10:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
> > Anyone who chronically takes prescription drugs is a pathetic excuse
> >>> for a human being who is
>
> >Anybody who chronically takes prescription drugs is planning on
> >staying sick, rather than on getting
>
> so the insulin and oral meds for diabetes...or the blood pressure meds...or
> cardiac meds...
> yeah...we'll just stop them..and try "natural" junk....NOT
> you know what...I have absolutely no problem with anyone spending/wasting their
> money on pond scum,,,acid reducing plaster,,and even Davey's overpriced
> ginseng...
> but please stop practicing medicine without a license...which is what you all
> do when you attempt to convince the public that "prescription drugs are evil"
> mantra..
>
> hawki

Hey hawkie,
You're beginning to sound like the pharmaceutical companies who reckon
any food which is claimed to have some affect on health and wellbeing
should be classified as a drug.

Conventional medicine cures nothing. How come in western society
diabetes, allergies, asthma, ADHD, and other "incurable" diseases are
running rampant and are on the increase? There are no cures, just lots
of pain and discomfort and pharmaceutical products for a lot of
people.

So don't start on me. I haven't taken any pharm products in over 25
years to treat anything - just nutritional remedies.
All the devitalised foods in the supermarkets - you see them there,
rows and rows of garbage with no food value - how come they aren't
outlawed like cigarettes? All white sugar and white flour products and
items containing artificial whatevers should be banned. But oh no, we
have all this devitalised garbage they wouldn't feed to pigs and when
people get crook (an Aussie term meaning ungood), which is no doubt
part of the plan, they shove pharmaceutical products down their
throats at huge expense.

If the people got a proper diet in the first place, with proper
nutrients i.e., organic vegetables (grown without artificial
fertilisers and pesticides and unprocessed), wholemeal flour products,
brown sugar, and all the other foods that go along with a nutritious
diet, from birth, it would no doubt eliminate disease.

If you don't like people talking about alternative medicine you have
choices. Yet yourself back to a sci.med.conventional group, stop
getting on the internet or worry about yourself instead of everybody
else who is doing ok without your pharmaceutical propaganda.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm
 
>Subject: Re: The Acid question
>From: [email protected] (Carole)
>Date: 10/21/2003 2:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>

> so the insulin and oral meds for diabetes...

scuse me....but type I diabetes has NOTHING to do with foods,,,nutrients or
whatever....

it is a malfunction of the beta cells of the pancreas..

just answer my question.....so "those folks" who take insulin are "planning on
staying sick?"

I see it as staying alive




hawki
 
"Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Carole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Pseudo science" is the name given to many things to discredit them,
> > but in fact the pharmaceutical industry is pseudo science and
> > nutritional remedies are the true science.
> >
>
> No, pseudoscience is the use of scientific-sounding language that has no
> actual scientific meaning, but is meant to impress uneducated people,
> usually to sell a product.

No you're wrong. Pseudoscience is a term used to discredit ideas that
the people in power want suppressed. For example, free energy which
has been around for the last 100 years ... but then how would the oil
cartel make any money?

Tesla invented free energy 100 years ago. Check it out if you are
capable of doing any personal research ...but probably not, because
people like you are too scared to think for themselves without getting
permission.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
 
Moosh! <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> >> It's called bone formation. You want to be able to maintain bone formation
> >> in which calcium is a vital part. Acid and alkaline enzymes are an integral
> >> part of that homeostatic regulation. Bone is not static but dissolves and
> >> builds based on the bodies needs.
> >
> >That's right. And if a person's diet is calcium deficient it comes out
> >of the bones.
>
> And what is a calcium deficient diet?
> (Not coke and fries :)

Probably different for every person. Any diet which doesn't contain
enough calcium is calcium deficient. How much calcium is there in meat
and vegetables? How much calcium in fruit?
But another point is that a lot of foods produce an acid residue when
they get used up in the body (eg meat, eggs, fish, sugar, flour)and
when the blood gets too acid calcium falls out of solution and becomes
unusable in the body -- according to the theory. Read Paul Bragg's
books for more on this idea.

> >> ...You need the building blocks of calcium
> >> and phosphorus but to use disease states like renal failure as a model for
> >> normal is bizarre. You equate an acid urine with acidosis of renal failure.
> >> Renal failure causes acidosis with the build up of waste products unable to
> >> be excreted by the damaged kidney. If you ever get renal failure you will
> >> have one leg up with your pills but it will not prevent you from getting
> >> renal failure.
> >
> >I don't know where you got the idea I was talking about renal failure.
> >Where did I say that?
> >What I was talking about was sometimes the urine goes cloudy - but,
> >whatever causes this condition, the urine goes clear again after some
> >potassium tablets.
>
> And without the potassium tablets?
> What about a glass of water?

Water would just thin out the urine. What I am saying is that if I
take a lot of sodium phosphate and sulphate tablets my urine goes
cloudy sometimes, and it goes clear again when I take potassium
tablets. Obviously sodium and potassium have to be kept in balance.

> >I don't know anything about renal failure, but feel free to explain
> >what it is in layman's terms.
>
> So what are you faffing on about calcium balance, if you haven't a
> clue how the kidneys work?

Keeping calcium in balance is done by monitoring any other deficiency
symptoms. Calcium has to kept in balance with magnesium, potassium,
sodium, silica and iron.
There are deficiency symptoms that occur if you take too much calcium
over a lengthy period, but you need the calcium obviously. The
solution isn't to stop taking the calcium but to take the other
cellsalts as deficiency symptoms arise.

> >> As far as phosphates you can be like that Swedish chemist who got all these
> >> non dairy creamers for coffee and washed his white shirts with. They can
> >> out real nice and white and you want to take those pills everyday?
> >
> >Who takes dairy whitener? Obviously forms of sodium, potassium,
> >calcium etc are used to make building products, bombs, glues and a
> >range of products. But to say that because calcium is used to make
> >plaster means I eat plaster is a rash assumption.
> >
> >I take cellsalts calcium (phosphate, sulph and fluoride), potassium
> >(phos, sulph and chloride), sodium (phos, sulph and homeopathic
> >chloride) , magnesium phos, iron phos and silica.
>
> I hope you don't pay for it. I get that in my drinking water and diet,
> Just as much as I need, all for free.

I know some water is said to contain minerals -- I don't know how this
would work. It might be beneficial, might cause a deficiency in other
lacking minerals, but I find it hard to believe you would have all the
12 cellsalts in your drinking water in perfect balance.

> BTW, if you eat calcium sulfate, you are eating plaster.

I eat calcium carbonate which breaks down into the 3 calcium cellsalts
- calcium phosphate, sulphate and fluoride. Its not enough just to
take one because you need the whole 3.

> >> So you don't use modern medicine then and only use made up pseudoscience to
> >> mold it into something that resembles medicine in order to sell products or
> >> arguements.
> >
> >"Pseudo science" is the name given to many things to discredit them,
> >but in fact the pharmaceutical industry is pseudo science and
> >nutritional remedies are the true science.
>
> The former has evidence of efficacy, the latter does not.

So they keep telling us. But there is a huge coverup, misinformation
and propaganda which the public is not aware of.

> >> > Conventional medicine is a racket controlled by the pharmaceutical
> >> > cartel.
> >> Pharmaceuticals are a big part of medicine which is why people have been
> >> living longer. You even use pharmaceuticals yourself in your little pills
> >> that will whiten your insides through and through.
> >
> >Patented pharmaceutical drugs is what I'm talking about.
>
> Try a pharmacology text, and open your eyes.

No thanks, I don't need to be brainwashed. What you don't understand
is that there is a huge amount of information that is culled or not
taught. They only teach what supports the current system.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
 
[email protected]ospam (Hawki63) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> >I think it probably works is
> >that sodium keeps the calcium in solution instead of depositing it
> >around the body in joints, muscles, arteries or wherever. This is why
> >a lot of sodium makes the urine go
>
> >cloudy because the calcium gets
> >excreted.
> >But when you take potassium the sodium gets balanced with the
> >potassium and the calcium gets used in the body. It makes sense.
>
> sodium in the blood has NOTHING to do with excretion of calcium...or its
> depostion in "bones,,joints...etc"

********. Sodium, magnesium and silica are the cellsalts associated
with keeping the blood from getting too acid. They counteract the
effects of too much acid causing foods (meat, eggs

Nature cure - Miracles of Alkalizing Diet
http://www.healthlibrary.com/reading/ncure/chap11.htm

"Acidosis can be prevented by maintaining a proper ratio between acid
and alkaline foods in the diet. Certain foods leave alkaline ash and
help in maintaining the alkalinity of the food, while others leave
highly acid ash and lower the alkali reserve of the blood and tissue
fluids to a very large extent. Eggs do the same but less strongly than
meats. Cereals of all kinds, including all sorts of breads are also
acid-forming foods , though much less than meats. All fruits, with
exceptions like plums and prunes and all green and root vegetables are
highly alkaline foods and help to alkalinize the blood and other
tissue fluids."

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=681f8n$du0@bgtnsc03.
worldnet.att.net&output=gplain

"It is not so important to remember all you can about each mineral or
what part of the body uses each mineral ... just remember the names of
the 5 alkalizing minerals. These minerals are used keep you alkaline. 
Calcium 
Potassium
Sodium
Magnesium 
Iron"  [and silica]

> remember 99% of calcium is in bones and teeth...40% of the remaining 1% is
> protein bound...doesn't leave much to be excreted..

You should explain that to the old people with osteoporosis.

> also remember that sodium.,.potassium and calcium are all positive ions...they
> cannot bind to each other..
>
> lastly...what makes you think that even IF calcium is excreted in the
> urine,,that would make the urine cloudy??? you obviously don't understand
> physiology of the renal system....

I don't really know what makes my urine go cloudy. All I know is that
potassium makes it go clear again.

I don't really think a degree in reneology would help me any further
in this matter although you may differ in your opinion. Same if my
**** goes pale coloured or lumpy, this too means I need potassium
tablets.
But perhaps I need a degree in ****, oh but you've probably got one of
those, heh? (That's all they teach you in pharmaceutical sponsored med
school)

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/pharm.htm
 
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