The doping shame of Disco/USPO/Armstrong

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  1. Doctor.House

    Doctor.House New Member

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    Only naive Nike consumers or dishonest frauds can wear a yellow bracelet after Tailwinds destroyed Le Tour with an aggressive freak show of media myth and Life Science cheating.

    Look at the USPO Polypharmacy circus freaks:

    Lance; EPO, corticosteroids, insulin, cow blood and 160 spent syringes.
    Frankie Andreu; EPO confession
    Manuel Beltran; EPO and corticosteroids 1999
    Pavel Padrnos; arrested in the 2001 San Remo doping raids
    Benoit Joachim; busted for Nandrolone in June 2000, yet still rode the Tour
    Tyler Hamilton; blood transfusions, post menopausal hormones, hGH, EPO, T
    Roid Landis, exogenous testosterone, cortisone, thyroid drugs & JD
    Roberto Heras, EPO
    Michele Ferrari, illegal pharmacy and sporting fraud
    Ivan Basso, gynochology medicine and blood banking

    Good riddance to a shameful disply of cheating, lying and fraud.
     
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  2. jrtalon

    jrtalon New Member

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    Roid Landis - did u think that one up all by yourself?
     
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    Frankie Andreu, nice guy, came forward at his own volition.

    Respect.
     
  5. thunder

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    :D

    good work doc

    stat, paging Dr Cuddy, stat
     
  6. nns1400

    nns1400 New Member

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    Donkey! Shut. Up.
     
  7. NJK

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    Totally agree, they all learned there techniques at postal. Armstrong has never criticised a doper even when they were fairly close to taking his yellow jersey away, why is that? America has the most money, win the most medals and encourage doping at school level. Why would a cycling team trying to win the biggest event be any different, especially as Armstrong has a dislike for European cycling teams.
     
  8. obxbes

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    The French have finally produced the desired result. Maybe next year the winner will have no association with the United States.

     
  9. plectrum

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    oh really www.amgen.com !!!
     
  10. JohnO

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    Respect, indeed. Andreu only came forward after his career was in the crapper and he had nothing left to lose. If he had come forward with solid evidence in 2000, he'd earn my respect. But, he didn't. I won't single him out, that's actually quite typical. Riis confesses, eleven years later, only after a groundswell of questions arose, and a year after his prime protoge was caught leaving blood with Fuentes. LeMond kept quiet until LA eclipsed his record. Not in 91, when he claims he knew about doping. A pity he didn't. Things might have turned out differently. Then again, given the hypocricy rampant at the time, and still rampant today, they might not have. Who would have believed the brash American, making excuses for his fall from grace?

    The Armstrong/L'Equipe/LNDD saga has been hashed to death. You'd have to be an LA lover to disregard it, but you'd have to be an LA hater to believe it, so full of rule breaking and questionable motives that it was.

    The rest? All caught while riding on other teams. DC never publicly embarressed the sport, unlike Liberty, Astana, Rabobank, T-Mobile, Phonak, CSC... One doesn't have to insert a personal agenda to identify their culpability - they were caught. And most were caught in competition. Victor Conte said it the best - in competition testing is nothing but an IQ test. You'd have to be an idiot to get caught.

    All of this DC banter is just fiddling while Rome burns. DC may have been the pentultimate expression of Y2K cycling - clean doping - but it didn't start the process, and the process won't end with it's demise. DC didn't make the rules (neither did the UCI, which is why this mess exists today), they just played within the unwritten ones. So they didn't show leadership in the anti doping crusade. Neither did anyone else. And most still aren't. Judging by this year's Tour, it's the same old song and dance, with a slightly different tune.

    Hey, this nihilism sort of grows on you after a while...
     
  11. Skoorb

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    LMFAO.

    Pharmstrong, contadope, roid landis haha
     
  12. Doctor.House

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    Attention/clarification:

    1) Benoit Joachim was busted for Nandrolone (Deca Durabolin) whilst on the USPO team, just ten days before the start of the 2000 Tour. Joachim still raced for Phamrstrong, was sacked in October, then was REHIRED in 2001 after having his steroid suspension reduced to six months.

    2) Michele Ferrari was convicted of illegal pharmacy in October 2004---while he was still retained by Nike's doping ace.

    3) Andreu only came forward after his wife threatened him with divorce and he NEVER fully confessed all his products. (EPO only) No T or corticoids?

    4) Lance Armstrong flunked his very first TDF drug test in 1999 for corticosteroids. A backdated TUE papered over that PED abuse. Years later, heavy EPO dosing was also detected.

    Whenever Pharmstrong got caught (many times)---he just shrugged it off knowing his USA media partners would deny it for him and them.

    He will make a fine Senator from Texas.
     
  13. jrtalon

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    Alright, do you have evidence that the paper for the corticosteroids was backdated? Second, the only EPO accusations I've heard of was in 1999 when they were just testing the EPO test from the L'Equipe rag claiming they matched a urine test for EPO to Armstrong and I don't trust L'Equipe. Furthermore it wasn't a legit test....they were testing the test. EPO testing didnt begin til 01 or 02.

    So besides what I said above what evidence do you have of "heavy EPO dosing" do you have reports that were covered up? A picture of Lance injecting this stuff into himself?
     
  14. mjfc44

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    Maybe all you non-Americans are just pissed that Armstrong came in as the MOST TESTED ATHLETE IN SPORTS and passed all of them and kicked your country's butt in a European Sport?! Dont be mad cause with only one ball Armstrong has more then your entire country!!
     
  15. NJK

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    The evidence is in the reults. 7 time tour winner who hardly did any races leading up to the tour in an age where systematic doping was taking place. A VO2 max of 80+ doesn't guarantee that, ask Christophe Bassons a very talented french rider who depite a VO2 max of 83 couldn't win jack s*** as a pro. The dots all add up now:)
     
  16. ??? 3/4 ? 1/4

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    I was reading an article about Andy Schleck in the latest issue of ProCycling and they were talking about what you said about VO2 max...of course they (I believe it was Guimard)continued the thought on and discussed the fact that the best riders alos have the mental focus which many riders don't have. Nobody can dispute LA's mental focus. of course, just in general it's sad that people decide the real proof is simply winning.
     
  17. stevebaby

    stevebaby New Member

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    Nice tits.
     
  18. janiejones

    janiejones New Member

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    Maybe you can settle down too - go and buy that bike (you will probably need to learn to ride it seeing that I'm sure it will be your first, but it doesn't take long, get your mum to run along behind you holding the saddle until you get your balance, or you might want to start with training wheels).

    Stop worrying about what everybody else is doing and get out there in the nice sunshine - I think you need it:D :D :D .
     
  19. jrtalon

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    VO2 Max isn't everything, your forgeting is very low lactate levels, that combined with his high cadence low resistence pedaling make for a great combo. And like AOM said his mental focus was second to none.
     
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    LOL!!!
     
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