The dream is back

"Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote >

If this topic thread entitled "The Dream is back" is what ARBR is all
about

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then I am going to go out and shoot myself.

Oh, goody! There's hope! There's hope! Keep the "boring" topics
coming! Anything about recumbents, touring, cycling in general should
do. Just imagine the glory of a post-Ed ARBR!

As far as the dream coming back, right on! Just don't let Kill-joy Ed
dampen your spirits. It's great to hear of people getting motivated.
Train well and get out there. Send us all a note when it happens.

Scott--Not missing Ed.

Well, a cheer leader I have never been. And I don't think ARBR needs to
perform that particular function. It is up to an adult to motivate himself.
Only children need encouragement to do what they ought to do. As far as I
know, there are no children here - only us old men who are all over 40 years
of age. Young folks wouldn't be caught dead on a recumbent.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote

"Young folks wouldn't be caught dead on a recumbent"

Howdy Ed and others:

You're wrong on the above comment. Not only do I have two children who are
active bent riders, but they are girls. The love their bikes and get a real
kick out of whupping up on the young lads in our neighborhood who try to
keep up with them. At least where I'm from here in lower Delaware,
recumbent bikes are on a popular upswing and now when I ride every day, I
see at least another one every time out. For an area as rural as this, I
think that's terrific.

In direct contrast to the comment you made above, there are significant
numbers of young ones who are riding in our area. Perhaps it is an issue of
demographics or the like, but they're popular here, both with young and old
alike.

--
"Sea" ya!
--Lars S. Mulford
"You can find evil anywhere you look.
The question is, why are you looking?"
Young folks wouldn't be caught dead on a recumbent.

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... For God's sakes, someone start saying something
interesting or else I will truly start trolling this group.

START?

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... I have never
understood why we can't have disagreement about something without getting
into invective. ...

And yet you seem to understand afterall:

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I must confess that I
occasionally (!?) lose all patience with some and go berserk myself, but I always
try to provide some content for the discussion to revolve around despite the
name calling.

Since when?

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Just pure name calling is too infantile for words.

Doesn't seem to stop you.

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I would agree that most here on ARBR are quite nice, but it only takes a few
rotten apples to spoil the barrel.

I guess you should know. You are the rottenest I've seen here, and
I've been looking in for a long time.

If you really had the taste for trash talk you claim to have, you
would have left here for monkey island a long time ago. People come
here to actually discuss recumbents, not have pie fights, but you take
advantage and throw pies anyway.

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Young folks wouldn't be caught dead on a recumbent.

You've clearly been studying the cover of the latest issue of VeloVision
/really/ closely then...
http://www.velovision.co.uk/cgi-bin/show_comments.pl?storynum=638

At a recent meeting of uk.rec.cycling posters in Edinburgh, one of the
participants was a young girl who took /enormous/ delight in trying out
the Windcheetahs present. On return home she announced to her mum that
daddy had said he get her a KMX recumbent trike, even though that was
news to daddy. I don't think she was contemplating dying before riding
it...

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote

"Young folks wouldn't be caught dead on a recumbent"

Howdy Ed and others:

You're wrong on the above comment. Not only do I have two children who
are
active bent riders, but they are girls. The love their bikes and get a
real
kick out of whupping up on the young lads in our neighborhood who try to
keep up with them. At least where I'm from here in lower Delaware,
recumbent bikes are on a popular upswing and now when I ride every day, I
see at least another one every time out. For an area as rural as this, I
think that's terrific.

In direct contrast to the comment you made above, there are significant
numbers of young ones who are riding in our area. Perhaps it is an issue
of
demographics or the like, but they're popular here, both with young and
old
alike.

Lars, I have known of exactly two kids hereabouts over a period of 25 years
who got recumbents as they thought it would be a good idea at the time.
However, they did not keep them long as the rest of the kids made life
fairly miserable for them no doubt. Kids are the most peer oriented group in
the universe and they want to do what all the other kids are doing all the
time. Until the bike culture of the kids change, I do not ever foresee any
kids or other young folks taking to recumbents. It is only us older folks
who can go against the grain.

Nevertheless, it is good to hear of occasional exceptions. On my tours, I
too have noted that it is more often a girl rather than a boy who is mostly
likely to have a recumbent. In every instance that I have investigated, it
was always a family influenced thing. Usually the father was into
recumbents, and the wife and kids followed. It is extremely rare to ever see
a young person on a recumbent.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Edward Dolan said:

Young folks wouldn't be caught dead on a recumbent.

You've clearly been studying the cover of the latest issue of VeloVision
/really/ closely then...
http://www.velovision.co.uk/cgi-bin/show_comments.pl?storynum=638

It is most likely the soap box racing car thing where the father is the one
doing all the work and doing all the influencing. However, if kids are
riding recumbents around on their own for reasons other than racing, then
perhaps things are starting to change.

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At a recent meeting of uk.rec.cycling posters in Edinburgh, one of the
participants was a young girl who took /enormous/ delight in trying out
the Windcheetahs present. On return home she announced to her mum that
daddy had said he get her a KMX recumbent trike, even though that was news
to daddy. I don't think she was contemplating dying before riding it...

Kids are notorious for their flash in the pan inspirations. But it is only
the long haul that interests me. I do not see kids riding recumbents. Racing
events don't count.

We have a little town (almost a ghost town) here in SW Minnesota named
Dundee. I think this area of the state was originally settled by the English
and the Scotch, but they now constitute a very small minority. But the old
place names remain. If you could see Dundee, Minnesota and compare it to
Dundee, Scotland, you would not see the slightest resemblance. We would have
a good laugh together about it.

My town of Worthington is named after Worthington, Ohio, which in turn is
named after Worthington, England. I believe Worthington is a fine old
English place name. We also have a main drag here that is named Oxford
Street.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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"The Testimony" by Robert L. Bass

Okay, Ed. I'm with you. Bring on the firearms. Bass, what the heck
is this? Send such a message to your buddy on a private email. Or go
to alt.jesusfreaks.whatever. Or at least have the courtesy to point
out that Jesus led you to recumbents or something. Now, what kind of
bent would Jesus ride? Maybe a high racer because he could walk on
water? The Buddha, of course, transcended the need for cycling all
together. He became one with the bent and then cycled off into
Nirvana. I'd love to run with this, but I gotta go.

Scott

Praise be to the Laid-back Cyclists!

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At least my topic thread, "Ed
Dolan on women", engendered a little lively discussion - even if 50% of
the
contributors were nothing less than total idiots.

Well, it is hard to find *total* idiots, one must endeavor to smoke them
out
with ever more cunning methods.

Actually, I agree with you on the recent content here...about as
invigorating
as watching 'raindrops' slide down the windows of one's home.

When one is accidently locked *outside* said home and it's 12 degrees F,
of
course....

James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

At 12°F I'd expect ice, sleet, snow, but not rain.

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>... For God's sakes, someone start saying something
> interesting or else I will truly start trolling this group.

START?

I have list of a thousand and one outrageous things I can say if I wanted
to.

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... I have never
understood why we can't have disagreement about something without getting
into invective. ...

And yet you seem to understand afterall:

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I must confess that I
occasionally (!?) lose all patience with some and go berserk myself, but
I always
try to provide some content for the discussion to revolve around despite
the
name calling.

Since when?

Others always begin the name calling and then I polish them off. And I
always do provide content, but the name calling takes precedence with most
here.

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Just pure name calling is too infantile for words.

Doesn't seem to stop you.

Fire must always be fought with fire. Being a gentleman with a foul mouth
idiot is a waste of time and effort.

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I would agree that most here on ARBR are quite nice, but it only takes a
few
rotten apples to spoil the barrel.

I guess you should know. You are the rottenest I've seen here, and
I've been looking in for a long time.

Many thanks for the wonderful compliment. You have just made my day. Keep
reading me at all costs as I have yet new depths to plumb when confronting
the typical ARBR idiot. There are also a few intelligent souls here on ARBR
but they seem to avoid me for the most part. I am always getting stuck with
all the idiots. Well, it is unpleasant work, but someone has got to do it.

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If you really had the taste for trash talk you claim to have, you
would have left here for monkey island a long time ago. People come
here to actually discuss recumbents, not have pie fights, but you take
advantage and throw pies anyway.

I always carefully tailor my responses to whoever and whatever is being
said. I have resolved from the get-go not to let idiots always have the last
word, which they usually do because those of us who are gentlemen will not
stoop that low. But I have decided to stoop as low as is necessary to deal
with idiots and scumbags of which there are many here on ARBR. I do not
include you in that category (yet), but I have made note of your
disgruntlement with me. If others talk trashy to me, then I return it with
interest.

Why many people are here on ARBR is quite a mystery to me. Apparently, if a
newsgroup exists, people will come regardless if they have anything to say
or not.

I am proud of my modest contributions to ARBR. If it weren't for me, the
group would have died and gone to hell long ago. After all, there is only so
much to say about recumbents without endlessly repeating ourselves.

Surely there are other less contentious groups where you would feel more at
home. Maybe BROL would suit you better. I understand they are heavily into
namby-pambyness and do not allow characters like me to darken their door.
That suits me to a T as I cannot imagine someone like Mr. Ball, the
moderator of the group, passing judgment on my posts. That would be like an
idiot trying to judge a genius. How ridiculous can you get!

By the way, now that I have spiced up this thread, dubiously entitled "The
dream is back", I really am feeling good once again. Keep those posts coming
folks because now MY dream is back truly. The only sin in posting to a
newsgroup is to be boring. I don't think anyone here can ever accuse me of
that.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan (known far and wide as the rottenest apple in the barrel) -
Minnesota

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"The Testimony" by Robert L. Bass

[...]
Bass, what the heck

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is this? Send such a message to your buddy on a private email. Or go
to alt.jesusfreaks.whatever. Or at least have the courtesy to point
out that Jesus led you to recumbents or something. ...

Scott, the message that you are referring to was not posted by Bass, but by
this stalker guy Group Moderator. There is apparently a history there which
I know nothing of nor do I want to know anything about it. But it is not
Bass who is posting this sort of nonsense, but Group Moderator.

Frankly, I do not understand stalking. I am never that interested in anyone
that I would want to expend any time or effort on them. I have only very
minor problems with Bass and as far as I know he has been OK on this group.

Mostly what people don't like about me is my style, which I must admit can
be off putting. I do not hold it against anyone if they don't like my style.
Sometimes even I don't much like my style. But I am too old to change
anything about myself at this late date. I am stuck with me.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Okay, Ed. I'm with you. Bring on the firearms.

Funny you should mention that. I installed a very sturdy shotgun rack on my
EZ-1 SC and keep it 'filled' with a Mossberg 12-gauge riot gun.

Drivers tend to give me *plenty* of room on the street, but I'm not certain if
it is the shotgun or the rear-facing 20mm cannon on the B.O.B.....

<LOL>

James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

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At 12°F I'd expect ice, sleet, snow, but not rain.

LOL...Louisiana weather isn't subject to the laws of thermodynamics that plague
the rest of the Omniverse <g>.

James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

Lars,

I rode last year's GOBA (a 350 mile week-long ride in Ohio) with my
daughter who stoked on our Bikee E2 tandem. Maybe it's because as
captain I was slow as molasses on the hills but she wants to go
again....on her Cannondale single. My son rides a Klein road
bike...he thinks my GS is kinda dorky.

In my own experience, young people I know don't have a recumbent yen.
Too bad!

BentJay
GS GTO
Bikee E2

See my tour journal at: http://aroundthelake.crazyguyonabike.com

Thats not the case in my area, every recumbent rider I've seen in the past 3
years has got to be 35 or older with most in the OLDER category. Young
people like to look at them but they sure don't want to buy them and the
reason is people in the 20 to 30 age bracket think they are slow and they at
least in the Dallas Texas area that IS the case

Tonight I rode 42 miles at 21.03mph (low hills, some fast straights) and I
cannot tell you how many people told me "Hey I didn't know those things
could go that fast".

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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote

"Young folks wouldn't be caught dead on a recumbent"

Howdy Ed and others:

You're wrong on the above comment. Not only do I have two children who

are

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active bent riders, but they are girls. The love their bikes and get a

real

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kick out of whupping up on the young lads in our neighborhood who try to
keep up with them. At least where I'm from here in lower Delaware,
recumbent bikes are on a popular upswing and now when I ride every day, I
see at least another one every time out. For an area as rural as this, I
think that's terrific.

In direct contrast to the comment you made above, there are significant
numbers of young ones who are riding in our area. Perhaps it is an issue

of

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demographics or the like, but they're popular here, both with young and

old

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alike.

--
"Sea" ya!
--Lars S. Mulford
"You can find evil anywhere you look.
The question is, why are you looking?"
Young folks wouldn't be caught dead on a recumbent.

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Not only do I have two children who are
active bent riders, but they are girls. The
love their bikes...

When I used to ride my DF the neighborhood kids wouldn't even give a nod.
But when I drive by groups of kids on my RANS Vivo the almost invariable
reaction is "Whoooa... Kewl bike!" Once in a while I let one of the
neighbors ride the bike. They usually need a hand getting started but most
are fine after a minute or so. Several have indicated they want to buy one
themselves. I don't let kids drive the 'bent for liability reasons though
many have asked.

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"The Testimony" by Robert L. Bass

Okay, Ed. I'm with you. Bring on the firearms. Bass, what the heck
is this?

Take a look at the headers, friend. I didn't post that. It's one of the
nut-cases from the alarm newsgroup.

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Send such a message to your buddy on a
private email.

He's not a friend. He's a stalker; been at it about seven years now.

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Or at least have the courtesy to point out
that Jesus led you to recumbents or
something...

Perhaps He did. I'm not sure about it, but I rarely mention Him in this
newsgroup.

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Now, what kind of bent would Jesus
ride?

Now there's an interesting question. I'd have to give it some thought. I
suppose, being humble, he'd ride a BikeE. The Pharisees probably would have
forced him to ride a DF though. :^)

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Maybe a high racer because he could walk on
water?

He wouldn't need a fairing since the winds obey Him.

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The Buddha, of course, transcended the need for
cycling all together. He became one with the bent
and then cycled off into Nirvana.

Naah. I've seen plenty of Buddha-esque folks on tour and almost all of them
drive trikes.

Suggestion: Next time you think you need to complain about one of my posts,
check to see who actually made the post. The one you're upset about wasn't
from me.

Of course, as a Christian I'm obliged to forgive your transgression. :^)

Have fun.

Regards,
Robert

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It is most likely the soap box racing car thing where the father is the one
doing all the work and doing all the influencing. However, if kids are
riding recumbents around on their own for reasons other than racing, then
perhaps things are starting to change.

The /existence/ of the KMX is very good evidence that it is.

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Kids are notorious for their flash in the pan inspirations. But it is only
the long haul that interests me. I do not see kids riding recumbents.

I very rarely see /anyone/ riding recumbents, and I've come across lots
of adults who wouldn't be seen dead on them. However, that is not
conclusive evidence that no adults are interested, and that transfers to
children, only with the added proviso that the affordability issues
become even more acute.

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Dundee. I think this area of the state was originally settled by the English
and the Scotch,

Scotch is a drink, made by Scots.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Edward Dolan said:

After all, there is only so
much to say about recumbents without endlessly repeating ourselves. ...

Surely there are other less contentious groups where you would feel more at
home. Maybe BROL would suit you better. ...

The only sin in posting to a
newsgroup is to be boring. I don't think anyone here can ever accuse me of
that. ...

Ed, why are you here? You think recumbents are boring. You don't GAS about them. By your own admission, you are just here to argue. Surely there is a better place for this.

BROL does suit me better, but it seems like this is easier to find for alot of people who want to talk about recumbents, so I do look in. It is irritating to see you constantly and pointlessly hijack threads. I DO accuse you of being boring. Incredibly boring! Repetious infinity!

You will take that as an invitation to some higher level of invective, but that is the part that is the most boring of all.

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Edward Dolan said:

It is most likely the soap box racing car thing where the father is the
one doing all the work and doing all the influencing. However, if kids
are riding recumbents around on their own for reasons other than racing,
then perhaps things are starting to change.

The /existence/ of the KMX is very good evidence that it is.

Most likely just another flash in the pan. Here today - gone tomorrow.

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Kids are notorious for their flash in the pan inspirations. But it is
only the long haul that interests me. I do not see kids riding
recumbents.

I very rarely see /anyone/ riding recumbents, and I've come across lots of
adults who wouldn't be seen dead on them. However, that is not conclusive
evidence that no adults are interested, and that transfers to children,
only with the added proviso that the affordability issues become even more
acute.

Recumbents are only for the select few, but kids won't ride them because it
is not part of their kid culture. The only kids you ever see on recumbents
are those who have been influenced by their parents, usually their father.
Not until kids are being influenced by other kids will the situation ever
change.

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Dundee. I think this area of the state was originally settled by the
English and the Scotch,

Scotch is a drink, made by Scots.

Main Entry: 2Scotch
Function: noun
1 : SCOTS
2 plural in construction : the people of Scotland
3 often not capitalized : whiskey distilled in Scotland especially from
malted barley -- called also Scotch whisky

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

You speak and write the language they way you want and I will do the same.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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reason is people in the 20 to 30 age bracket think
they are slow and they at least in the Dallas Texas
area that IS the case

Tonight I rode 42 miles at 21.03mph (low hills, some
fast straights) and I cannot tell you how many people
told me "Hey I didn't know those things could go that fast".

To paraphrase the "G*ns don't kill" bumper sticker,

"Bikes don't go slow (or fast), People do!" %^)

So a paceline of "serious" upright road bike riders passed
me and my friend on our bikes like we're standing still. They
think, man, those recumbent bikes are slow. But my friend
is riding a road bike. Do they think, "man those road
bikes are slow"? No, they think that poor guy has to
go slow because of his friend is on a recumbent! %^)
I'm pretty sure when they pass a road bike rider, they
simply think they're faster riders.

The perception that uprights are faster than recumbents is
skewed by a number of factors. Not the least of which is
the fact to compete as a go-fast or wanna-be you "gotta
fit in." Gotta have the 'right' type of bike, h*lm*t, jersey,
aftershave... %^) Comparing the subset of upright riders
who want to go fast with the subset of bike riders who
choose recumbents almost certainly leads to no accurate
conclusion regarding the inherent speed potential of
recumbent bikes.

I'm certainly beyond the 20-30 year-old range and likely
won't ever sustain 21 mph for two hours, unless there's
a 20mph tailwind. After I bought my first recumbent,
my question to myself was why didn't I do this sooner,
like when I was 20 or 30. I'm faster on my recumbent than
*I* was on my upright and I have better stamina and I'm
having more fun!

If younger people don't want to try recumbents, that's their
choice. There are a number of good reasons to ride uprights!
There's certainly a lot more choices and availability over a
broader price range. Even so, some (perhaps most) upright
riders don't know what they're missing.

I'd invite you up to ride the rural roads just up the road from
Dallas where I ride, but I'm afraid I fit the stereotype of
recumbent riders. I'd never keep up with you at sustained
20+ mph average, but then neither would most upright
bicyclists. %^P

Jon Meinecke