The F1-circus thread...

Discussion in 'The Bike Cafe' started by Vo2, Nov 7, 2001.

  1. Aussie cycler

    Aussie cycler New Member

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    Isn't the 'one engine per weekend' rule comming in next season. That is sure to hinder some of the samller teams who are often having problems with reliability. At least it will be cheaper for all concerned.

    And what makes up an engine?

    How many different parts can they change on it during the weekend before it is deemed a new engine?
     


  2. pineapple

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    Weren't all the teams fairly reliable this year? I didn't notice any particular team having major problems...

    I didn't used to like Schumacher but I've just been reading his book and he sounds like such a good guy!!! Has anyone else read it?
     
  3. Duckwah

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    Nah heaps of engines got trashed this year

    cosworth lost 7 in one weekend if i remember rightly

    and BAR blew honda engines about twice a weekend
     
  4. miater

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    I still miss the old qualifying procedures. It was unique to F1, dramatic, and most of all,

    FAIR.

    which the new system is not.

    it's an artificial way of increasing the drama on sunday.

    it's also socialistic and anathema to everything F1 stands for.

    I hate it.
     
  5. pineapple

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    Depends what you mean by artificial... No rule is more genuine than any other, regardless of how old or 'traditional' it is. The beauty of F1, more than most other sports, is the way it is constantly improving and evolving.

    The new system increases drama on Sunday by forcing teams to choose a strategy and stick to it. The tension comes from our not knowing what this is until the race unfolds. I don't really understand how this can be a bad thing.

    I also don't understand how it can be described as socialistic, but whatever. And what exactly does F1 stand for in your opinion?

    Oh and fair? I don't think that gambling your grid position on whether or not there's traffic on the track is fair, do you?
     
  6. miater

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    glad you asked.

    F1 to me stands for the ultimate 'survivor' of motorsports, in the truest Darwinian sense, the best team should always win.

    Gambling grid position based on traffic? all teams under that system had the same hour, the same track , the same # of laps, so why wasn't it fair?

    the fastest cars were almost always at the front of the grid, which is as it should be.

    we shouldn't be using a system where the fastest cars can get screwed by the weather and have to start from the back.

    not only is that unfair, it's dangerous.

    now parc ferme, i have no problem with. that is a consistent rule applied evenly.

    setting up a qualifying system to maximize the chance that all teams will NOT have the same weather conditions, is artificial , contrived, and insulting.

    if my favorite team ends up on pole one day (jaguar btw) , I want them to get it the old fashioned way.

    earning it, not catching a break because it started to rain halfway thru the session.
     
  7. pineapple

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    I'll give you that the best team should win a given race, but I like to think that there is always a bit of luck, randomness, whatever you want to call it. Your point about the weather is a good one, but I still think the new system is better on balance because of:

    More interesting speculation about/gambling on race strategies.
    One shot qualifying makes for better viewing and a keener test of skill.

    If they could create a system where these two things are retained, but the weather problem is eliminated, I think that would provide the best solution.

    I don't however believe that the current system was created just 'to maximize the chance that all teams will NOT have the same weather conditions.' The goal, which I believe is simply more interesting racing, is achieved regardless of weather, due to the pressure of the single lap and the different fuel loads.

    Much more fun to have a light fuel loader on pole and a heavier guy in 3rd, rather than two guys lapping exactly the same for 60 laps, having qualified within 0.04 of each other.
     
  8. pineapple

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    God the FW26 looks cool...

    Bit like the batmobile :D
     
  9. RalleighOke

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    I saw the release of the new BMW last night. Did you check out the nose. Way different to last season.

    It almost looks like the nose of a F1 a few years ago. Still a beaut...I'm almost scared they might take the Championship this year.....almost.

    Forza Ferrari! :cool:
     
  10. Cedricf

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    SENNA is the greatest!!!!!

    Schumacher is winning only becuase he is driving in an era where there are no great drivers. Senna drove and BEAT the best. Schumi is good, but would not have stood a chance with drivers like SENNA, PROST, MANSELL, PIQUET and BERGER.

    Schumi thinks F1 exists because of him. Do you know he was in SA a couple of years ago and refused to sign any autographs? How can you support a person who cannot make time for fans?

    When the pressure is on, Schumi does not perform. He contantly makes mistakes and drives into other drivers. Ferrari is OK.

    ALL HAIL SENNA!!!!
     
  11. dibo

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    As far as F1 being socialistic, it's funny that that's assumed to be a bad thing by our darwinian friend :)

    anyway, the whole thing is that there are rules to be followed. the same set of rules applies to all, there is just much chance of rain hitting the final few drivers as there is of a drying or more clean and rubbered track advantaging them. swings and roundabouts all the way...

    if you want socialistic motorsport, go and look at the paragon of free enterprise, the USA where their sporting events are so strictly controlled their engines have barely changed since the late '80's and their races have the results altered by 'judicious and safe' use of the safety car to squeeze the pack. it's like the motorsport equivalent of one-day cricket- nothing happens until the final slog, while test cricket and f1 have teams relying on strategy, skill and guile over the weekend to come out on top at the end.
     
  12. RalleighOke

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    Clearly you have not been following F1.

    Let me point out a few flaws in your argument.

    1) Shumacher has been racing against Senna, Prost, Mansell and Berger. He has also beaten them in "fair" fights on the race track. Not when he was driving Ferrari, but when he was driving for Benneton.

    2) As for no time for his fans. Don't know, don't care. I don't admire the person, I admire his abilities and discipline in the car.

    3) Shumi does not perform under pressure? Then my dear friend, you disagree with Murray, Brundel and most of the F1 community. He is one of the most focused and disciplined drivers on the track. Yes, he does make mistakes....just between me and you, how many times has Shumi had to retire because of a mistake he made? And don't try to mention where he slid of the track last year in the rain. 7 cars went off that corner due to a water outlet pouring excessive water on the track. I know he drives into other riders, but so do they, and he has had his fair share of that.

    BTW, I am only trying to defend him as he is one of my favourite sports personalities. If you believe what you said above, then the same can be said about Lance Armstrong. He never rode against Eddy Mercx...but that is not to say he is not the best cyclist ever. At the end of the day, it counts how many times you were world champion, and how many times you won the TDF.

    BTW, I read that the new rule for one engine per weekend has been introduced. Teams can only make use of one engine and if that engine fails and needs to be repaired the driver will move down 10 positions. Should make for some interesting racing.

    One last thing Cedricf, I also think that Senna was great. It is a tragedy that he passed away. It would defenitly have been much more pleasing to watch Senna and Shumi go one-on-one.
     
  13. pineapple

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    Agree, agree and agree.

    I would say that Schumacher and Armstrong compete today in a more competitive environment than ever before. The training is tougher the margins are smaller and every competitor is much closer than in the past. Therefore to show the dominance that both men have shown in their respective sports is arguably more impressive now than ever before.
     
  14. Gilders

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    To all of you out there who have access to BBC television:

    Out of 100, how tedious would you rate Jenson Button in his latest advertisement for BBCi?
     
  15. pineapple

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    lol!!

    About 99 for tedium and 1 for sympathy - he looks incredibly uncomfortable and you kind of feel sorry for him. The whole control freak thing is just stupid.
     
  16. Gilders

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    Would almost go as far as to say that the ad would actually be less painful to listen to if it was redubbed with any of the following guest voices;


    Linda Barker

    The Speak'n'Spell Calculator

    That highly annoying grating piece of crap computer-thing from Buck Rogers

    Nigel Mansell

    Anyone else...at all
     
  17. RalleighOke

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    EAT YOUR HART OUT!!:cool:
     
  18. RalleighOke

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    And just for good measure, to show you the heart of the beast....
     
  19. RalleighOke

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    So...BMW, Merc. and all the others..


    BE AFRAID!! BE VERY AFRAID!!
     
  20. Vo2

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    The Return of the King!
     
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