Hey I posted something like this on the swimming newsgroup but no one answered. How do you get a stronger kick? I practice doing what the TI people say with leaning on your chest to lift the legs up but also should I be practicing with a kickboard or a tube under me? I heard the kickboard sinks you and so it doesn't help. Does anyone know how many times I am supposed to kick per stroke? or what the range is? Is it really worth it to buy fins and should I get short or long? Does this give a good leg workout in general? Thanks for any help.