The ****ups are the Paris-Roubaix organizers




> Well, unless you have at least double track, I would guess it would
> have to be a window. I've sat watching freight trains in Kansas that
> took up an entire 'window' to pass one point. I would guess a long
> freight could easily occupy portions of a segment between sidings for
> more than an hour. And two freights in opposite directions aren't
> going to make it past on sidings anyway.

The window comment doesn't apply to Kansas operations. It is
a thing that he has experienced in a congested area with regular
commuter operations.

> A Kansas relative told me it is now a rule that they can't block a
> crossing for more than a certain amount of time. What, they have
> little locomotives that rush around KC and Wichita and break the
> trains into little segments to make the commuters happy, and then put
> it back together outside of town?

They can not block a crossing for more than 10 minutes. They don't
need any additional locomotives. They simply drop the conductor
and have him uncouple. The train pulls forward and the cars clear
the crossings. I've seen them split a train for multiple crossings.

It takes a long time to split. It takes a long time to recombine
and pump the air. So, if they are going to wait 20 minutes then
it is probably easier to block the crossing and faster. In Philadelphia
CSX is giving the city a hard time about blocked crossings.


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William O'Hara
 
Donald Munro <[email protected]> wrote in news:443d23a1$0$43970
[email protected]:

> William O'Hara wrote:
>> I've railfanned in Europe, but not France. Don't BS me.
>
> Why not, we BS everbody else. ******** is rbr's raison d' etre.
You are right It seems to be.

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William O'Hara
 
In article
<[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:

> > raison d' etre
>
> I've had that:
> http://www.dogfish.com/brewings/Year_Round_Beers/Raison_DEtre/7/index.htm
>
> I wouldn't drink a six pack of it in a session, but it would be nice to
> have one or 2 during carb reload after a long ride, like today.
>
> Off to the beer store ...

They call it a beer, but it is wine.

Barley wine is beer.

Difference is that barley has no sugar for fermentation;
hence it must first be germinated so that the enzymes
develop the starch into sugar.

To brew sake rice is inoculated with the Koji-Kin
bacterium that develops sugar from the starch. Then yeast
to develop alcohol from the sugar.

--
Michael Press
 
William O'Hara wrote:
>
> Thank you for the continual insults. I think that is
> crazy to assume that ASO can organize the train line
> to be closed. Networked travel is much harder to maintain
> than a highway. Is ASO going to be responsible for all
> of the missed connections or the overtime pay?



Dumbass -

The race is on Sunday. Most people in France don't work on Sunday (35
hour workweek). A train could get held up for what - 15 minutes max?
However long the rolling enclosure is.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.
 
"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> William O'Hara wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for the continual insults. I think that is
>> crazy to assume that ASO can organize the train line
>> to be closed. Networked travel is much harder to maintain
>> than a highway. Is ASO going to be responsible for all
>> of the missed connections or the overtime pay?
>
> The race is on Sunday. Most people in France don't work on Sunday (35
> hour workweek). A train could get held up for what - 15 minutes max?
> However long the rolling enclosure is.
>

You can't stop and start a train like a car. A fast-moving freight train
can take a couple of miles to stop, and longer to accelerate back to
speed. The delay in the schedule of the train is a lot longer than
simply the time it is stopped. Probably long enough to throw the whole
system off. I don't think it is as simple as you want it to be.

In other sports, you play the field or the court and you don't whine at
the end about bad breaks. Railway crossings in a bike race are like the
ivy at Wrigley Field, the icy turf at Lambeau Field, or the springtime
fog at Boston Gardens so thick the goalies couldn't see the defensemen at
the blue line.

Coach always told us you never lose a match because of a bad bounce, you
lose because the other guy beat you. If they were stronger they would
have beat the train to the crossing like Cancellara.

--
Bill Asher
 
William Asher wrote:
>
> You can't stop and start a train like a car. A fast-moving freight train
> can take a couple of miles to stop, and longer to accelerate back to
> speed.




Dumbass -


They can tell at least 30 minutes ahead of time whether the bike race
and the freight train might meet. It's simple math.

This isn't your local crit. Such measures cannot be expected for your
local crit.

Paris-Roubaix is the biggest one day race in the world.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.
 
> crazy to assume that ASO can organize the train line
>>> to be closed. Networked travel is much harder to maintain
>>> than a highway. Is ASO going to be responsible for all
>>> of the missed connections or the overtime pay?
>>
>> The race is on Sunday. Most people in France don't work on Sunday (35
>> hour workweek). A train could get held up for what - 15 minutes max?
>> However long the rolling enclosure is.
>>
>
> You can't stop and start a train like a car. A fast-moving freight
> train can take a couple of miles to stop, and longer to accelerate
> back to speed. The delay in the schedule of the train is a lot longer

Very True. I also enjoy how the dumbass thinks that no one works on
Sunday in France. Did he see all the cops? Or the crew in the
train? What kind of smack is he on?

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William O'Hara
 
Dans le message de
news:[email protected],
Kurgan Gringioni <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> William Asher wrote:
>>
>> You can't stop and start a train like a car. A fast-moving freight
>> train can take a couple of miles to stop, and longer to accelerate
>> back to speed.
>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> They can tell at least 30 minutes ahead of time whether the bike race
> and the freight train might meet. It's simple math.

You and simple math ....
When exactly would they have known, given that the race arrived at the
crossing a half-hour ahead of schedule ? And how many times would they have
made schedule changes ? So, you don't like the rule - you imagine we care ?
It's only riding a bike. Get a new life - this one is not suiting you very
well.

> This isn't your local crit. Such measures cannot be expected for your
> local crit.

Same rules. We have enough local races not to have local crits.

> Paris-Roubaix is the biggest one day race in the world.

For couch-potatoes, perhaps.
For racing, not by a longshot of 14800 participants it's not.
L'Ardechoise....
And they enforce the center-line rule, for the most part. All rules, so far
as they can monitor.

> thanks,

Anytime. Your apology is accepted.
--
Sandy
--
C'est le contraire du vélo, la bicyclette.
Une silhouette profilée mauve fluo dévale
à soixante-dix à l'heure : c'est du vélo.
Deux lycéennes côte à côte traversent
un pont à Bruges : c'est de la bicyclette.
-Delerm, P.
 
"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> They can tell at least 30 minutes ahead of time whether the bike race
> and the freight train might meet. It's simple math.
>
> This isn't your local crit. Such measures cannot be expected for your
> local crit.
>
> Paris-Roubaix is the biggest one day race in the world.

But the biggest one-day bicycle race in the world, in the relative scheme
of commerce, is small potatoes compared to the smooth operation of the
railways. The race organizers know this, which is why they don't ask
because they know the rail line operators, with the blessing of everyone,
are going to politely tell them to stick a Silca where the sun don't
shine. Suppose the train stops for the peleton and then the entourage,
that could take a long time. So the train behind it has to stop, and so
on and so forth. It can be catastrophic if there are sections of track
with only one track and a siding because you can easily get a situation
with oncoming trains with the siding already occupied.

Trains are a road hazard like soft tar or sand or cobbles. If a rider
doesn't want to get stopped by a train while chasing the lead group, he
shouldn't get dropped. If he does, well, today just wasn't his day. The
chase group didn't lose because of the train crossing, they lost because
they couldn't hold the guy's wheel when he rode off.

If you want complete predictability in the route, run Paris-Roubaix in a
velodrome and every other lap dump a sack of bricks on the track.
Otherwise, stop whining about getting eaten alive by a bad hop on a sharp
ground ball.

--
Bill Asher
 
Sandy wrote:
> Dans le message de
> news:[email protected],
> Kurgan Gringioni <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> > William Asher wrote:
> >>
> >> You can't stop and start a train like a car. A fast-moving freight
> >> train can take a couple of miles to stop, and longer to accelerate
> >> back to speed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dumbass -
> >
> >
> > They can tell at least 30 minutes ahead of time whether the bike race
> > and the freight train might meet. It's simple math.
>
> You and simple math ....
> When exactly would they have known, given that the race arrived at the
> crossing a half-hour ahead of schedule ?



Dumbass -

Come on, you can't really be that dense can you? It would be very
evident at least 10k in advance of any crossing.

Take 10k before the crossing in question. They'd be at least 25 minutes
ahead of schedule at that point. Once the decisive moves are made at
the end of a race like Paris-Roubaix, there won't be huge changes in
pace. Cancellara was individually time trialing at that point and yes,
it would be possible to calculate his arrival time at any point within
a minute or two.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.
 
in 502000 20060416 232033 "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Come on, you can't really be that dense can you? It would be very
>evident at least 10k in advance of any crossing.
>
>Take 10k before the crossing in question. They'd be at least 25 minutes
>ahead of schedule at that point. Once the decisive moves are made at
>the end of a race like Paris-Roubaix, there won't be huge changes in
>pace. Cancellara was individually time trialing at that point and yes,
>it would be possible to calculate his arrival time at any point within
>a minute or two.

Give it up. You are wrong, wrong, wrong.
 
Bob Martin wrote:
> in 502000 20060416 232033 "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Come on, you can't really be that dense can you? It would be very
> >evident at least 10k in advance of any crossing.
> >
> >Take 10k before the crossing in question. They'd be at least 25 minutes
> >ahead of schedule at that point. Once the decisive moves are made at
> >the end of a race like Paris-Roubaix, there won't be huge changes in
> >pace. Cancellara was individually time trialing at that point and yes,
> >it would be possible to calculate his arrival time at any point within
> >a minute or two.
>
> Give it up. You are wrong, wrong, wrong.



Dumbass -


Please point out what exactly is wrong.

Cancellara's ITT speed was relatively constant as was the speed of his
chasers.

Bike racing speeds are unpredictable when the field is large and the
agression of the teams varies (and that's how the organizers schedules
get mucked up), but once a race like Paris Roubaix breaks up, the
speeds of small groups don't vary much.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.
 
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