The Graciousness Of A Champion

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  1. B. Lafferty

    B. Lafferty Guest

    From VeloNews online:

    "I have had a fantastic time on the team, and I will thank the whole team for their great support
    they have given me," Hamilton continued. "They all have a big honor for the results I have achieved
    through the past two years at CSC."

    Bravo for Tyler's class.
     
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  2. Well what the hell else was he gonna say...?

    "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > From VeloNews online:
    >
    > "I have had a fantastic time on the team, and I will thank the whole team for their great support
    > they have given me," Hamilton continued. "They all have a big honor for the results I have
    > achieved through the past two
    years
    > at CSC."
    >
    > Bravo for Tyler's class.
     
  3. Tom Kunich

    Tom Kunich Guest

    He might have been as gracious as yourself and told the writers that the team was nothing but crap
    and that he acheived everything on his own. You know - just the sort of thing you'd not only say,
    but believe.

    "hold my beer and watch this..." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:eek:[email protected]...
    >
    > Well what the hell else was he gonna say...?
    >
    > "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > From VeloNews online:
    > >
    > > "I have had a fantastic time on the team, and I will thank the
    whole team
    > > for their great support they have given me," Hamilton continued.
    "They all
    > > have a big honor for the results I have achieved through the past
    two
    > years
    > > at CSC."
    > >
    > > Bravo for Tyler's class.
    > >
    >
     
  4. Nick Burns

    Nick Burns Guest

  5. Wannagofast

    Wannagofast Guest

    It be a pisser and insult to Tyler should CSC find the $ to pick-up Urlich &
    Co.

    "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > From VeloNews online:
    >
    > "I have had a fantastic time on the team, and I will thank the whole team for their great support
    > they have given me," Hamilton continued. "They all have a big honor for the results I have
    > achieved through the past two
    years
    > at CSC."
    >
    > Bravo for Tyler's class.
     
  6. "hold my beer and watch this..." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:eek:[email protected]...
    >
    > Well what the hell else was he gonna say...?


    No shit.

    How about (hypothetically):

    "I'm going to the crappier team because of the cash dollars. Thanks for the memories"

    There are a lot of compliments to be made about T. Hamilton, but it's premature to label him a
    'champion'. The first requisite for that description is winning and he has won what? the Dauphine 3
    years ago and LBL and a Tour stage this year. The publicity and admiration he gets is out of
    proportion to his results thus far, because of drama - his propensity for crashing and his ability
    to ride through pain.
     
  7. Nick Burns

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  8. B. Lafferty

    B. Lafferty Guest

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:p[email protected]...
    > There are a lot of compliments to be made about T. Hamilton, but it's premature to label him a
    > 'champion'. The first requisite for that description is winning and he has won what? the Dauphine
    > 3 years ago and
    LBL
    > and a Tour stage this year. The publicity and admiration he gets is out of proportion to his
    > results thus far, because of drama - his propensity for crashing and his ability to ride
    > through pain.

    2003
    . 1st overall Tour de Romandie
    . 1st stage Tour de Romandie
    . 1st Liège-Bastogne-Liège
    . 2nd overall Vuelta al Pais Vasco
    . 2nd prologue Paris - Nice
    . 3rd stage Paris - Nice
    . 3rd 3 stages Vuelta al Pais Vasco
    . 4th stage Tour de Romandie
    . 5th stage Critérium International
    . 5th stage Tour de Romandie
    . 6th overall Critérium International
    . 7th prologue Tour de Romandie
    . 14th Flèche Wallonne

    2002
    . 1st stage Giro D'Italia
    . 1st Grand Prix CSC Scandihealth
    . 2nd overall Giro D'Italia
    . 2nd stage Tour of Denmark
    . 3rd stage Tour de France (TTT)
    . 4th overall Tour of Denmark
    . 5th stage Giro D'Italia
    . 5th stage Giro D'Italia
    . 6th stage Giro D'Italia
    . 8th stage Tour of Denmark
    . 9th stage Rhonde van Nederland
    . 10th overall Rhonde van Nederland
    . 11th stage Tour de France
    . 12th stage Tour de France
    . 15th overall Tour de France
    . 16th 2 stages Tour de France
    . 22nd stage Setmana-Catalana

    2001
    . 3rd two stages Tour de Suisse
    . 5th stage Bicicleta Vasca
    . 8th overall Bicicleta Vasca
    . 8th stage Circuit de la Sarthe
    . 13th overall Circuit de la Sarthe
    . 14th overall Tour de Suisse
    . 15th stage Bicicleta Vasca

    2000
    . 1st overall Dauphine Libere
    . 1st stage Dauphine Libere
    . 1st stage Dauphine Libere
    . 2nd stage Tour de France
    . 3rd stage Dauphine Libere
    . 4th stage Tour de France
    . 4th stage Vuelta a Murcia
    . 7th stage Setmana Catalana
    . 7th stage Route du Sud
    . 9th stage Tour de France
    . 9th Classique des Alpes
    . 25th overall Tour de France

    1999
    . 1st Mt Washington Hill Climb (new course record)
    . 1st overall Tour of Denmark
    . 1st stage Tour of Denmark
    . 2nd stage Route du Sud
    . 3rd stage Circuit de la Sarthe
    . 3rd stage Tour de France
    . 5th stage Tour de France
    . 5th prologue Dauphine Libere
    . 9th stage Dauphine Libere
    . 10th stage Route du Sud
    . 13th overall Tour de France
    . 15th overall Dauphine Libere

    1998
    . 2nd stage Tour de France
    . 5th overall Prutour
    . 5th overall Redlands Classic
    . 9th overall Circuit de la Sarthe
    . 11th Corestates Hamilton Classic
    . 15th overall Tour of Catalunya
    . 18th First Union Classic
    . 23rd overall Tour de Luxembourg
    . 51st overall Tour de France

    1997
    . 1st Mt Washington Hill Climb (new course record)
    . 1st overall Killington Stage Race
    . 1st stage Killington Stage Race
    . 10th First Union Grand Prix
    . 69th overall Tour de France

    1996
    . 1st overall Fitchburg Stage Race
    . 1st stage Fitchburg Stage Race
    . 1st overall Teleflex Tour
    . 1st stage Teleflex Tour
    . 1st stage Rutas de America
    . 2nd two stages Rutas de America
    . 2nd Corestates Hamilton Classic
    . 3rd two stages Rutas de America
    . 3rd stage Teleflex tour
    . 3rd TT Olympic Trials
    . 4th TT Olympic Trials
    . 5th overall Rutas de America
    . 5th Olympic Points Standings
    . 15th overall Tour of Portugal
    . 23rd World TT Championships

    1995
    . 1st Westfield Classic
    . 2nd Nevada City Classic
    . 3rd two stages Fitchburg Stage Race
    . 3rd two stages Cascade Classic
    . 9th overall Redlands Classic
    . 12th overall Tour of China
    . 13th overall Tour of Holland
    . 14th overall Tour Dupont
    . 15th overall Bergamasca Stage Race
     
  9. "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    <hamilton's resume snipped>


    Dumbass -

    The first requisite for labeling a champion is winning.

    Not second place, third place, etc.

    There are a handful of active riders that moniker could be applied to right now.

    Museeuw, Armstrong, Cipollini, Bettini.

    Petacchi? Has only done it this year. Zabel? Lot of wins, but a lot of 2nds, 3rds. The label would
    have been more apt in his heyday.

    Hamilton? No way. Only a handful of wins. Good drama though.
     
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    On 9/2/03 8:56 AM, in article
    [email protected], "Kurgan Gringioni"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

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    > "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > <hamilton's resume snipped>
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    >
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    >
    >
    >
    > Dumbass -
    >
    > The first requisite for labeling a champion is winning.
    >
    > Not second place, third place, etc.
    >
    > There are a handful of active riders that moniker could be applied to right now.
    >
    > Museeuw, Armstrong, Cipollini, Bettini.
    >
    > Petacchi? Has only done it this year. Zabel? Lot of wins, but a lot of 2nds, 3rds. The label would
    > have been more apt in his heyday.
    >
    > Hamilton? No way. Only a handful of wins. Good drama though.
    >
    >

    Dumbass -

    shit...................

    cham·pi·on     P     Pronunciation Key   (ch mp-n)
    g.
    1) One that wins first place or first prize in a competition.

    2) One that is clearly superior or has the attributes of a winner: a champion at teaching.

    3) An ardent defender or supporter of a cause or another person: a champion of the homeless.

    4) One who fights; a warrior.

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    resume snipped><BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <BR> >
    Dumbass -<BR> > <BR> > The first requisite for labeling a champion is winning.<BR> > <BR>
    > Not second place, third place, etc.<BR> > <BR> > There are a handful of active riders
    that moniker could be applied to = right<BR> > now.<BR> > <BR> > Museeuw, Armstrong,
    Cipollini, Bettini.<BR> > <BR> > Petacchi? Has only done it this year. Zabel? Lot of wins, but
    a lot of= 2nds,<BR> > 3rds. The label would have been more apt in his heyday.<BR> > <BR> >
    Hamilton? No way. Only a handful of wins. Good drama though.<BR> > <BR> > <BR> </FONT><BR>
    Dumbass -<BR> <BR> <BR>

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  11. "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    > Learn to read, Moron. Unless you don't count stage wins and wins in races you conveniently forgot
    > to mention. Clearly, Hamilton's palmers are more extensive than you were willing to give him
    > credit for in your previous post. Consider also that a number of those years he wasn't riding
    primarily
    > for himself. Your basic problem, Henry, is that you make moronic
    statements
    > that don't hold up to factual analysis........which is why you are, and
    will
    > probably always be, a moron with an obsession. :)

    Dumbass -

    From your post, here are his UCI wins:

    2003
    . 1st overall Tour de Romandie
    . 1st stage Tour de Romandie
    . 1st Liège-Bastogne-Liège

    2002
    . 1st in one stage of the Giro D'Italia
    . 1st Grand Prix CSC Scandihealth

    2001 no wins

    2000
    . 1st overall Dauphine Libere
    . 1st stage Dauphine Libere
    . 1st stage Dauphine Libere

    1999
    . 1st overall Tour of Denmark
    . 1st stage Tour of Denmark

    1998 none

    1997 none

    Non-UCI (USCF) wins don't count. There's also his stage win this year in the TdF which for some
    reason you didn't include. Also, the Grand Prix CSC Scandihealth sounds like a team sponsor event
    (crit), not a UCI sanctioned RR. Google turned up nothing on that race, other than it being in
    his palmares.

    Champion? If that moniker is pinned on him, then there are 20 or 30 active riders who also deserve
    that title.

    I'll stick with Museeuw, Armstrong, Cipollini, Bettini. 'Champion' is a description that ought to be
    used sparingly, else it loses its meaning.
     
  12. <[email protected]> wrote in message news:BB7A3B24.59DED%[email protected]...
    >
    > Dumbass -
    >
    >

    > shit...................
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > cham·pi·on P Pronunciation Key (ch mp-n)
    > n.
    > 1) One that wins first place or first prize in a competition.


    When I raced, I won at least a few races/year.

    Damn, I must be a champion!


    K. Gringioni CHAMPION

    ps. what a crock
     
  13. B. Lafferty

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    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > <[email protected]> wrote in message news:BB7A3B24.59DED%[email protected]...
    > >
    > > Dumbass -
    > >
    > >

    > > shit...................
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > cham·pi·on P Pronunciation Key (ch mp-n)
    > > n.
    > > 1) One that wins first place or first prize in a competition.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > When I raced, I won at least a few races/year.
    >
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    > Damn, I must be a champion!
    >
    >
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    >
    >
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    > K. Gringioni CHAMPION
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ps. what a crock

    You are a Champion Moron, I'll give you that. :)
     
  14. "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > >
    > >
    > > K. Gringioni CHAMPION
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ps. what a crock
    >
    > You are a Champion Moron, I'll give you that. :)

    Dumbass -

    From: http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/riders/rankings/ranking_combined_overall.tx t

    T. Hamilton is 34th place of the active riders.

    324th place All-Time.

    We call Merckx, Hinault, Coppi "champions" (#1,2,3 All-Time on that list)

    324th? I think not.

    Cyclinghalloffame stats are on a points system, there are no subjective criteria.
     
  15. "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >
    > Cyclinghalloffame stats are on a points system, there are no subjective criteria.
    >

    How were the point values determined for each race? Isn't that likely to be subjective?
     
  16. B. Lafferty

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    > > >
    > > >
    > > > K. Gringioni CHAMPION
    > > >
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    > > >
    > > >
    > > > ps. what a crock
    > >
    > > You are a Champion Moron, I'll give you that. :)
    >=20 20 20 20 20
    > Dumbass -
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    > From:
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    http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/riders/rankings/ranking_combined_overall= .tx
    > t
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    > T. Hamilton is 34th place of the active riders.
    >=20
    > 324th place All-Time.
    >=20 20
    > We call Merckx, Hinault, Coppi "champions" (#1,2,3 All-Time on that =
    list)
    >=20 20
    > 324th? I think not.
    >=20 20
    > Cyclinghalloffame stats are on a points system, there are no =
    subjective
    > criteria.

    There are many cycling champions, past and present. There are some = champions who are greater
    than others.

    Some definitions of champion:

    champion (ch=E0m=B4p=EA-en) noun
    1. One that wins first place or first prize in a competition.
    2. One that is clearly superior or has the attributes of a winner: a = champion at teaching.

    Excerpted from The American Heritage=AE Dictionary of the English = Language, Third Edition =A9 1996
    by Houghton Mifflin Company. = Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further
    reproduction = and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United = States. All
    rights reserved.

    Champion, in sports, winner at the highest level of competition.

    Tyler is a champion by definition.

    champion (adjective)

    supreme: excellent, classic, superlative, super, champion, tops, tiptop, = topnotch, topflight,
    first-rate, first-class, Grade A, A-1, 5-star, = front-rank, premium, best best: best, very best,
    optimum, A-1, champion, tiptop, top-notch, ace, = nothing like it

    The Original Roget's Thesaurus of English Words and Phrases = (Americanized Version) is
    licensed from Longman Group UK Limited. = Copyright =A9 1994 by Longman Group UK Limited. All
    rights reserved.

    Any number of these synonyms fit our champion Tyler.

    And the following is for you, dear Moron:

    Those disputing, contradicting, and confuting people are generally = unfortunate in their affairs.
    They get victory, sometimes, but they = never get good will, which would be of more use to them.
    Benjamin Franklin (1706-90),

    The Columbia Dictionary of Quotations is licensed from Columbia = University Press. Copyright =A9
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    <DVI><FONT size=3D2>> <BR>> "B. Lafferty" <</FONT><A=20
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    size=3D2>[email protected]</FONT></A><FONT size=3D2>> wrote in=20 message<BR>>
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    size=3D2>...<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > K.=20 Gringioni<BR>> > >
    CHAMPION<BR>> > ><BR>> > = ><BR>>=20 > ><BR>> > ><BR>> >
    > ps. what a crock<BR>>=20 ><BR>> > You are a Champion Moron, I'll give you
    that. =20
    :)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Dumbass =
    -<BR>>=20 <BR>> <BR>> From:<BR>> </FONT><A=20
    href=3D"http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/riders/rankings/ranking_combined= _overall.tx"><FONT=20
    size=3D2>http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/riders/rankings/ranking_combine=
    d_overall.tx</FONT></A><BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> t<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> T. Hamilton is 34th
    place of = the active=20 riders.<BR>> <BR>> 324th place All-Time.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =
    We call=20 Merckx, Hinault, Coppi "champions" (#1,2,3 All-Time on that = list)<BR>>=20 <BR>>
    <BR>> 324th? I think not.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>=20 Cyclinghalloffame stats are on a points
    system, there are no = subjective<BR>>=20 criteria.<BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DVII><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><STRONG>There are many = cycling champions,=20 past
    and present. There are some champions who are greater than=20
    others.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
    <DVIII><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DIX><FONT size=3D2>Some definitions of champion:</FONT></DIV>
    <DX><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DXI><FONT size=3D2>champion (ch=E0m=B4p=EA-en) noun<BR>1. One that = wins first=20 place
    or first prize in a competition.<BR>2. One that is clearly = superior=20 or has the
    attributes of a winner: a champion at teaching.</FONT></DIV>
    <DXII><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DXIII><FONT size=3D2>Excerpted from The American Heritage=AE Dictionary = of the=20 English
    Language, Third Edition =A9 1996 by Houghton Mifflin = Company.=20 Electronic version
    licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction = and=20 distribution in accordance
    with the Copyright Law of the United States. = All=20 rights reserved.</FONT></DIV>
    <DXIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DXIV><A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> <P align=3Dleft>Champion</B>, in sports, winner at the highest
    level of=20 competition.</P></FONT></DIV>
    <DXV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DXVI><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DXVII><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><STRONG>Tyler is a champion = by=20
    definition.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
    <DXVIII><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DXIX><FONT size=3D2>champion (adjective)</FONT></DIV>
    <DXX><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DXXI><FONT size=3D2>supreme: excellent, classic, superlative, super, = champion,=20 tops,
    tiptop, topnotch, topflight, first-rate, first-class, Grade A, = A-1,=20 5-star,
    front-rank, premium, best<BR>best: best, very best, optimum, = A-1,=20 champion, tiptop,
    top-notch, ace, nothing like it</FONT></DIV>
    <DXXII><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DXXIII><FONT size=3D2>The Original Roget's Thesaurus of English Words and = Phrases=20
    (Americanized Version) is licensed from Longman Group UK Limited. = Copyright =A9=20 1994
    by Longman Group UK Limited. All rights reserved.</FONT></DIV>
    <DXXIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" = size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
    <DXXV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><STRONG>Any number of these = synonyms fit=20 our
    champion Tyler.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
    <DXXVI><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" = size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
    <DXXVII><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>And the following is = for you,=20 dear
    Moron:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
    <DXXVIII><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DXXIX><FONT size=3D2>Those disputing, contradicting, and confuting people = are=20 generally
    unfortunate in their affairs. They get victory, sometimes, but = they=20 never get good
    will, which would be of more use to them.<BR>Benjamin = Franklin=20 (1706-90),</FONT></DIV>
    <DXXX><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DXXXI><FONT size=3D2>The Columbia Dictionary of Quotations is licensed = from=20 Columbia
    University Press. Copyright =A9 1993, 1995 by Columbia = University Press.=20 All rights
    reserved.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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  17. Nick Burns

    Nick Burns Guest

    "Carl Sundquist" <[email protected]> wrote in message

    >Isn't that likely to be subjective?

    This whole thread is.

    One man's champion is another man's Poulidor. Call Tyler a champion or not and I won't mind. Either
    position seems reasonable to me at this point. He is certainly on the cusp. Carl was a champion or
    some scale I would say. Why not Tyler then?
     
  18. "Nick Burns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > Carl was a champion or some scale I would say.

    I'm not too fond of scales these days ; )
     
  19. Duffy Pratt

    Duffy Pratt Guest

    The thread says that he has the graciousness of a champion. That could be true whether or not he
    meets anyone's definition of a champion. Until you brought it up, no-one had said that he was, or
    was not a champion. Just that he had one of the qualities of a champion. Learn to read.

    Duffy

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > K. Gringioni CHAMPION
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > ps. what a crock
    > >
    > > You are a Champion Moron, I'll give you that. :)
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Dumbass -
    >
    >
    > From:
    >
    http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/riders/rankings/ranking_combined_overall.tx
    > t
    >
    >
    > T. Hamilton is 34th place of the active riders.
    >
    > 324th place All-Time.
    >
    >
    > We call Merckx, Hinault, Coppi "champions" (#1,2,3 All-Time on that list)
    >
    >
    > 324th? I think not.
    >
    >
    > Cyclinghalloffame stats are on a points system, there are no subjective criteria.
     
  20. "Duffy Pratt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > The thread says that he has the graciousness of a champion. That could be true whether or not he
    > meets anyone's definition of a champion. Until you brought it up, no-one had said that he was, or
    > was not a champion. Just that he had one of the qualities of a champion. Learn to read.

    Dumbass -

    That is not the stance that my protagonists have been taking. Lafferty is saying Hamilton's palmares
    warrants the label of 'champion'.

    As for:

    "learn to read"

    that is the stupidest flame ever.

    K. Gringioni doesn't know how to read
     
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