The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry

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  1. John

    John Guest

    The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry http://www4.dr-rath-
    foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/laws_of_the_pharma-
    ceutical_industry.htm The main principles governing the
    pharmaceutical "business with disease." It is not in the
    financial interests of the pharmaceutical industry to
    prevent common diseases – the maintenance and expansion of
    diseases is a precondition for the financial growth of
    this industry. 1 The pharmaceutical industry is an
    investment industry driven by the profits of its
    shareholders. Improving human health is not the driving
    force of this industry.

    2 The pharmaceutical investment industry was artificially
    created and strategically developed over an entire century
    by the same investment groups that control the global
    petrochemical and chemical industries.

    3 The huge profits of the pharmaceutical industry are based
    on the patenting of new drugs. These patents essentially
    allow drug manufacturers to arbitrarily define the profits
    for their products.

    4 The marketplace for the pharmaceutical industry is the
    human body – but only for as long as the body hosts
    diseases. Thus, maintaining and expanding diseases is a
    precondition for the growth of the pharmaceutical industry.

    5 A key strategy to accomplish this goal is the development
    of drugs that merely mask symptoms while avoiding the curing
    or elimination of diseases. This explains why most
    prescription drugs marketed today have no proven efficacy
    and merely target symptoms.

    6 To further expand their pharmaceutical market, the drug
    companies are continuously looking for new applications
    (indications) for the use of drugs they already market. For
    example, Bayer's pain pill Aspirin is now taken by 50
    million healthy US citizens under the illusion it will
    prevent heart attacks.

    7 Another key strategy to expand pharmaceutical markets is
    to cause new diseases with drugs. While merely masking
    symptoms short term, most of the prescription drugs taken by
    millions of patients today cause a multitude of new diseases
    as a result of their known long-term side effects. For
    example, all cholesterol-lowering drugs currently on the
    market are known to increase the risk of developing cancer –
    but only after the patient has been taking the drug for
    several years.

    8 The known deadly side effects of prescription drugs are
    the fourth leading cause of death in the industrialized
    world, surpassed only by the number of deaths from heart
    attacks, cancer and strokes (Journal of the American Medical
    Association, April 15, 1998). This fact is no surprise
    either, because drug patents are primarily issued for new
    synthetic molecules. All synthetic molecules need to be
    detoxified and eliminated from the body, a system that
    frequently fails and results in an epidemic of severe and
    deadly side effects.

    9 While the promotion and expansion of diseases increase the
    market of the pharmaceutical investment industry -
    prevention and root cause treatment of diseases decrease long-
    term profitability; therefore, they are avoided or even
    obstructed by this industry.

    10 Worst of all, the eradication of diseases is by its very
    nature incompatible with and diametrically opposed to the
    interests of the pharmaceutical investment industry. The
    eradication of diseases now considered as potential drug
    markets will destroy billions of investment dollars and
    eventually will eliminate this entire industry.

    11 Vitamins and other effective natural health therapies
    that optimize cellular metabolism threaten the
    pharmaceutical "business with disease" because they target
    the cellular cause of today's most common diseases - and
    these natural substances cannot be patented.

    12 Throughout the more than one hundred year existence of
    the pharmaceutical industry, vitamins and other essential
    nutrients, with defined functions as cofactors in cellular
    metabolism, have been the fiercest competition and the
    greatest threat to the long-term success of the
    pharmaceutical investment business.

    13 Vitamins and other effective natural health therapies
    that effectively prevent diseases are incompatible with the
    very nature of the pharmaceutical "business with disease."

    14 To protect the strategic development of its investment
    business against the threat from effective, natural and non-
    patentable therapies, the pharmaceutical industry has –
    over an entire century - used the most unscrupulous
    methods, such as:

    (1) Withholding life-saving health information from millions
    of people. It is simply unacceptable that today so few
    know that the human body cannot produce vitamin C and
    lysine, two key molecules for connective tissue
    stability and disease prevention.

    (2) Discrediting natural health therapies. The most common
    way is through global PR campaigns organized by the Pharma-
    Cartel that spread lies about the alleged side effects
    of natural substances – molecules that have been used by
    Nature for millennia.

    (3) Banning by law the dissemination of information about
    natural health therapies. To that end, the
    pharmaceutical industry has placed its lobbyists in key
    political positions in key markets and leading drug
    export nations.

    15 The pharmaceutical "business with disease" is the
    largest deception and fraud business in human history. The
    product "health" promised by drug companies is not
    delivered to millions of patients. Instead, the "products"
    most often delivered are the opposite: new diseases and
    frequently, death.

    16 The survival of the pharmaceutical industry is dependent
    on the elimination by any means of effective natural health
    therapies. These natural and non-patentable therapies have
    become the treatment of choice for millions of people
    despite the combined economic, political and media
    opposition of the world's largest investment industry.

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  2. "john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry
    >
    http://www4.dr-rath-
    foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/laws_of_the_pharm
    aceutical_industry.htm
    > The main principles governing the pharmaceutical "business
    > with disease." It is not in the financial interests of the
    > pharmaceutical industry to prevent common diseases - the
    > maintenance and expansion of diseases is a precondition
    > for the financial growth of this industry. 1 The
    > pharmaceutical industry is an investment industry driven
    > by the profits of its shareholders. Improving human health
    > is not the driving force of this industry.

    Yes, profits for the shareholders is the number one priority
    of the pharmaceutical companies. This is why they are so
    tightly regulated by federal laws and government agencies.
    Profit is the priority of supplement manufacturers and
    retailers, too. Isn't it a shame that the FDA cannot protect
    us from their greed, too?

    >
    > 2 The pharmaceutical investment industry was artificially
    > created and strategically developed over an entire century
    > by the same investment groups that control the global
    > petrochemical and chemical industries.

    So?

    >
    > 3 The huge profits of the pharmaceutical industry are
    > based on the patenting of new drugs. These patents
    > essentially allow drug manufacturers to arbitrarily define
    > the profits for their products.

    Yes, but they must compete in a free market with competing
    products. Have you priced herbal supplements lately?

    >
    > 4 The marketplace for the pharmaceutical industry is the
    > human body - but only for as long as the body hosts
    > diseases. Thus, maintaining and expanding diseases is a
    > precondition for the growth of the pharmaceutical
    > industry.

    There will be plenty of wild, natural disease to supply the
    pharmaceutical markets for the forseeable future. There is
    no need to manufacture new diseases or to fail to collect on
    the profitability of producing cures for some of them.

    >
    > 5 A key strategy to accomplish this goal is the
    > development of drugs that merely mask symptoms while
    > avoiding the curing or elimination of diseases. This
    > explains why most prescription drugs marketed today have
    > no proven efficacy and merely target symptoms.

    This is simply not true, though it is a popular fantasy of
    paranoid medicine bashers.

    >
    > 6 To further expand their pharmaceutical market, the drug
    > companies are continuously looking for new applications
    > (indications) for the use of drugs they already market.
    > For example, Bayer's pain pill Aspirin is now taken by 50
    > million healthy US citizens under the illusion it will
    > prevent heart attacks.

    How old are you, John? Do you have a family history of heart
    attack? Perhaps you should be taking a daily aspirin. Sure,
    Bayer would like for you to take their brand, but those
    $4.20 for 500 tablets generic brands work just as well. In
    any case, if you have chest pain for more than five minutes,
    take an aspirin after you call the ambulance. It may just be
    the best 0.85c you ever spent.

    >
    > 7 Another key strategy to expand pharmaceutical markets is
    > to cause new diseases with drugs. While merely masking
    > symptoms short term, most of the prescription drugs taken
    > by millions of patients today cause a multitude of new
    > diseases as a result of their known long-term side
    > effects. For example, all cholesterol-lowering drugs
    > currently on the market are known to increase the risk of
    > developing cancer - but only after the patient has been
    > taking the drug for several years.

    Have you ever heard of relative risk. Might it not be worth
    raising your risk of cancer by 0.5% to reduce your risk of
    heart attack by 35%?

    >
    > 8 The known deadly side effects of prescription drugs are
    > the fourth leading cause of death in the industrialized
    > world, surpassed only by the number of deaths from heart
    > attacks, cancer and strokes (Journal of the American
    > Medical Association, April 15, 1998). This fact is no
    > surprise either, because drug patents are primarily issued
    > for new synthetic molecules. All synthetic molecules need
    > to be detoxified and eliminated from the body, a system
    > that frequently fails and results in an epidemic of severe
    > and deadly side effects.

    "Natural" molecules are no different from synthetic
    molecules. Your body does not care, for example, whether a
    molecule of acetylsalicytic acid came from that aspirin or
    from the bark of a white willow tree.

    >
    >
    >
    > 9 While the promotion and expansion of diseases increase
    > the market of the pharmaceutical investment industry -
    > prevention and root cause treatment of diseases decrease
    > long-term profitability; therefore, they are avoided or
    > even obstructed by this industry.

    Bullshit! You've already mentioned a class of
    pharmaceuticals that are sold specifically for
    prevention...statins. Aspirin, too.

    >
    > 10 Worst of all, the eradication of diseases is by its
    > very nature incompatible with and diametrically opposed to
    > the interests of the pharmaceutical investment industry.
    > The eradication of diseases now considered as potential
    > drug markets will destroy billions of investment dollars
    > and eventually will eliminate this entire industry.

    Eradication of diseases is difficult and rare, and hardly
    enough threat to the pharmaceutical industries to come up in
    their boardroom discussions. Perhaps though, you are
    familiar with the eradication of smallpox, and the coming
    eradication of polio through...look out John, here it
    comes...VACCINATION!

    >
    > 11 Vitamins and other effective natural health therapies
    > that optimize cellular metabolism threaten the
    > pharmaceutical "business with disease" because they target
    > the cellular cause of today's most common diseases - and
    > these natural substances cannot be patented.

    The processes to manufacture vitamins can be patented, and
    the brand names for combinations of them can be registered
    as trademarks. Most vitamin products are manufactured and
    sold profitably by the pharm giants. Even the products of
    the smaller "natural supplement" companies are mostly
    manufactured and packaged under contract by the larger
    pharmaceutical companies.

    >
    > 12 Throughout the more than one hundred year existence of
    > the pharmaceutical industry, vitamins and other essential
    > nutrients, with defined functions as cofactors in cellular
    > metabolism, have been the fiercest competition and the
    > greatest threat to the long-term success of the
    > pharmaceutical investment business.

    Nonsense. See #11

    >
    > 13 Vitamins and other effective natural health therapies
    > that effectively prevent diseases are incompatible with
    > the very nature of the pharmaceutical "business with
    > disease."

    More paranoid bullshit.

    >
    > 14 To protect the strategic development of its investment
    > business against the threat from effective, natural and
    > non-patentable therapies, the pharmaceutical industry has
    > - over an entire century - used the most unscrupulous
    > methods, such as:
    >
    >
    > (1) Withholding life-saving health information from
    > millions of people. It is simply unacceptable that
    > today so few know that the human body cannot produce
    > vitamin C and lysine, two key molecules for connective
    > tissue stability and disease prevention.

    Who is withholding this information. It's taught in high-
    school health classes and is available in any nutrition
    text, and on hundreds of websites.

    >
    >
    > (2) Discrediting natural health therapies. The most common
    > way is through global PR campaigns organized by the
    > Pharma-Cartel that spread lies about the alleged side
    > effects of natural substances - molecules that have
    > been used by Nature for millennia.

    Any substance active enough to have effects is likely to
    also have side effects. This includes natural and synthetic
    molecules alike. Get over it.

    >
    >
    > (3) Banning by law the dissemination of information about
    > natural health therapies. To that end, the
    > pharmaceutical industry has placed its lobbyists in
    > key political positions in key markets and leading
    > drug export nations.

    "Banning by law the dissemination of information" would
    violate the principle of free speech--unlikely in the U.S.

    >
    >
    > 15 The pharmaceutical "business with disease" is the
    > largest deception and fraud business in human history. The
    > product "health" promised by drug companies is not
    > delivered to millions of patients. Instead, the "products"
    > most often delivered are the opposite: new diseases and
    > frequently, death.

    More paranoia.

    >
    > 16 The survival of the pharmaceutical industry is
    > dependent on the elimination by any means of effective
    > natural health therapies. These natural and non-patentable
    > therapies have become the treatment of choice for millions
    > of people despite the combined economic, political and
    > media opposition of the world's largest investment
    > industry.

    You are repeating yourself. It wasn't true the first time
    you said it, and it's not true now.

    --Rich
     
  3. Kim

    Kim Guest

    "john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > The survival of the pharmaceutical industry is dependent
    > on the elimination by any means of effective natural
    > health therapies. These natural and non-patentable
    > therapies have become the treatment of choice for millions
    > of people despite the combined economic, political and
    > media opposition of the world's largest investment
    > industry.
    ======================
    The choice of millions? What diseases are these millions
    suffering from? Can you tell us how these alt practitioners
    are treating diabetics, scleroderma, women with fibroid
    tumors, endometriosis, Lupus and the mental illnesses? How
    do they deal with hypochondriacs and those with
    psychosomatic illnesses? Just wondering.....

    Kim
     
  4. Peter Moran

    Peter Moran Guest

    Some of this is true. It is not true, as Rich points out,
    that they are scared of the "alternatives", they simply take
    them over.

    What is omitted is that the share market is also the biggest
    funder of the basic biological research that leads to new
    treatment methods and the better understanding of disease
    processes. An example of how it works - a University
    researcher in Australia discovered an important mechanism
    that allows the HIV virus to release itself from infected
    cells. The only way he could get funding for ongoing
    research was to patent his ideas, form his own drug company
    and raise venture capital from the share market. This can
    only happen if those risking their funds have some assurance
    of hefty profits if a marketable product ensues. (
    Governments could fund such research but then everyone
    complains about the higher taxes.)

    Those quacks who have patented their medicines could do
    the same, and prove their claims, if they truly
    believed in them.

    Peer Moran
     
  5. Carole

    Carole Guest

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > "john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry
    > >
    > http://www4.dr-rath-
    > foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/laws_of_the_pharm
    > aceutical_industry.htm
    > > The main principles governing the pharmaceutical
    > > "business with disease." It is not in the financial
    > > interests of the pharmaceutical industry to prevent
    > > common diseases - the maintenance and expansion of
    > > diseases is a precondition for the financial growth of
    > > this industry. 1 The pharmaceutical industry is an
    > > investment industry driven by the profits of its
    > > shareholders. Improving human health is not the driving
    > > force of this industry.
    >
    > Yes, profits for the shareholders is the number one
    > priority of the pharmaceutical companies. This is why they
    > are so tightly regulated by federal laws and government
    > agencies. Profit is the priority of supplement
    > manufacturers and retailers, too. Isn't it a shame that
    > the FDA cannot protect us from their greed, too?

    You hit it on the head ...profits for shareholders is the
    main driving motivation. Tightly regulated - yes and no.

    THE PHARMACEUTICAL DRUG RACKET
    http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/online/research/drug.html

    Ruesch cited Morris Bealle who wrote that the FDA "is used
    primarily for the perversion of justice by cracking down on
    all who endanger the profits of the Drug Trust". (68)

    Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm
     
  6. Jeff

    Jeff Guest

    "john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry
    >
    http://www4.dr-rath-
    foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/laws_of_the_pharmace-
    utical_industry.htm
    > The main principles governing the pharmaceutical "business
    > with disease." It is not in the financial interests of the
    > pharmaceutical industry to prevent common diseases - the
    > maintenance and expansion of diseases is a precondition
    > for the financial growth of this industry. 1 The
    > pharmaceutical industry is an investment industry driven
    > by the profits of its shareholders. Improving human health
    > is not the driving force of this industry.

    Please show us another model that works. The pharmaceutical
    industry, the government and private foundations have been
    able to decrease the death rate for pediatric cancers by
    75%. And the death rate for polio, mumps, rubella, measles,
    small pox, etc., by 100%.

    No one is suggesting that the drug companies are our
    friends. But, with proper regulation, the system works.

    Do you really think auto companies, oil companies,
    alternative health companies, hospitals, the phone company,
    or any other company is not driven by profits? Come on, get
    real. Money is what drives people to work and the economy.
    Russia tried the socialist experiment and it failed.

    Do you really think all those companies that sell "natural
    remedies" and vitamins and stuff are doing it for your
    health or their bank accounts?

    Jeff
     
  7. Jeff

    Jeff Guest

    "Carole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > > "john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry
    > > >
    > >
    http://www4.dr-rath-
    foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/laws_of_the_pharm
    > > aceutical_industry.htm
    > > > The main principles governing the pharmaceutical
    > > > "business with disease." It is not in the financial
    > > > interests of the pharmaceutical industry to prevent
    > > > common diseases - the maintenance and expansion of
    > > > diseases is a precondition for the financial growth of
    > > > this industry. 1 The pharmaceutical industry is an
    > > > investment industry driven by the profits of its
    > > > shareholders. Improving human health is not the
    > > > driving force of this industry.
    > >
    > > Yes, profits for the shareholders is the number one
    > > priority of the pharmaceutical companies. This is why
    > > they are so tightly regulated by federal laws and
    > > government agencies. Profit is the priority of
    supplement
    > > manufacturers and retailers, too. Isn't it a shame that
    > > the FDA cannot protect us from their greed, too?
    >
    > You hit it on the head ...profits for shareholders is the
    > main driving motivation. Tightly regulated - yes and no.
    >
    > THE PHARMACEUTICAL DRUG RACKET
    > http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/online/research/drug.html
    >
    > Ruesch cited Morris Bealle who wrote that the FDA "is used
    > primarily for the perversion of justice by cracking down
    > on all who endanger the profits of the Drug Trust". (68)

    And I can cite John and yourself who wrote some many stupid
    things. The FDA is far from perfect. And so are drug
    companies.

    Please provide an alternate model that works as well.

    Jeff

    > Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm
     
  8. John

    John Guest

    "Kim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > The choice of millions? What diseases are these millions
    > suffering from?

    Heart disease, cure or reversal found by Pauling decades ago
    http://www.whale.to/w/nutrition.html using vitamins

    Also herbs will reverse heart disease, and diet
    http://www.whale.to/w/herbs.html

    Alzheimer's. Millions suffering because they wont use
    chelation therapy discovered 50 years ago, and wont tell
    anyone aluminium, pesticides and mercury amalgam are main
    causes http://www.whale.to/a/alzheimer.html

    Cancer. Dozens of non-toxic non-pharma therapies have been
    suppressed or "ignored" for 100 years. Chemo & radiation are
    the worst two therapies, even worse than doing nothing as
    Jones discovered 30 years ago

    Also vitamin C will prevent cot-death, known for decades.

    You can get the lot here
    http://www.whale.to/m/therapies.html

    Same for arthritis

    That covers the main diseases people suffer from.

    Others like autism mostly come from drugs like MMR, DPT.
    500,000 of them in the UK.
     
  9. "Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > "john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry

    > > 4 The marketplace for the pharmaceutical industry is the
    > > human body - but only for as long as the body hosts
    > > diseases. Thus, maintaining and expanding diseases is a
    > > precondition for the growth of the pharmaceutical
    > > industry.
    >
    > There will be plenty of wild, natural disease to supply
    > the pharmaceutical markets for the forseeable future.
    > There is no need to manufacture new diseases or to fail to
    > collect on the profitability of producing cures for some
    > of them.

    COMMENT:

    Indeed. Simple expansion of the population means an
    expanding pharamaceutical market, even at the same level
    of disease.

    The subtext here is that John is assuming that with proper
    herbs and nutrition the human body is ageless and immortal.
    Not to say impervious to trauma, injury, and self-poisoning.
    Otherwise, of course, you're guaranteed plenty of medical
    problems which require pharmaceutical treatments.

    > > 5 A key strategy to accomplish this goal is the
    > > development of drugs that merely mask symptoms while
    > > avoiding the curing or elimination of diseases. This
    > > explains why most prescription drugs marketed today have
    > > no proven efficacy and merely target symptoms.
    >
    > This is simply not true, though it is a popular fantasy of
    > paranoid medicine bashers.

    COMMENT:

    It is indeed a curious argument, as it assumes that there
    exist drugs which cure diseases which are being suppressed.
    But that would require everybody be in on the conspiracy
    when it came to (say) high blood pressure, but that somehow
    the pharm cartel geeked on monopoly when it came to acne,
    leukemia, and infection. Say what? How does that work, John?
    And when you're done, perhaps you can explain the expansion
    of the veterinary pharm industry right along side the human
    one. You think maybe Nestle/Purina has a deal to slip disease-
    causing stuff into dog or cat food so that (say) Abbott or
    Baxter or Ft. Dodge can make a buck treating them?

    > > Another key strategy to expand pharmaceutical markets is
    > > to cause new diseases with drugs. While merely masking
    > > symptoms short term, most of the prescription drugs
    > > taken by millions of patients today cause a multitude of
    > > new diseases as a result of their known long-term side
    > > effects. For example, all cholesterol-lowering drugs
    > > currently on the market are known to increase the risk
    > > of developing cancer - but only after the patient has
    > > been taking the drug for several years.
    >
    > Have you ever heard of relative risk. Might it not be
    > worth raising your risk of cancer by 0.5% to reduce your
    > risk of heart attack by 35%?

    Comment:

    Don't play up to John's lies. No controlled study of any
    statin drug, including those running 5 years or more, has
    shown any increase in cancer. There is not reason to imagine
    that statin-caused hepatoma in rodents applies to people.
    Everything causes hepatoma in rodents.

    > > 8 The known deadly side effects of prescription drugs
    > > are the fourth leading cause of death in the
    > > industrialized world, surpassed only by the number of
    > > deaths from heart attacks, cancer and strokes (Journal
    > > of the American Medical Association, April 15, 1998).

    COMMENT The "factoid" has been repeatedly debunked on this
    forum. It simply isn't true.

    > This fact is no
    > > surprise either, because drug patents are primarily
    > > issued for new synthetic molecules. All synthetic
    > > molecules need to be detoxified and eliminated from the
    > > body, a system that frequently fails and results in an
    > > epidemic of severe and deadly side effects.
    >
    > "Natural" molecules are no different from synthetic
    > molecules. Your body does not care, for example, whether a
    > molecule of acetylsalicytic acid came from that aspirin or
    > from the bark of a white willow tree.

    COMMENT Since there are no all-natural vitamin C supplement
    pills on the market, one wonders whether John takes a
    multivitamin.

    > > 11 Vitamins and other effective natural health therapies
    > > that optimize cellular metabolism threaten the
    > > pharmaceutical "business with disease" because they
    > > target the cellular cause of today's most common
    > > diseases - and these natural substances cannot be
    > > patented.
    >
    > The processes to manufacture vitamins can be patented, and
    > the brand names for combinations of them can be registered
    > as trademarks. Most vitamin products are manufactured and
    > sold profitably by the pharm giants. Even the products of
    > the smaller "natural supplement" companies are mostly
    > manufactured and packaged under contract by the larger
    > pharmaceutical companies.

    COMMENT: Yes, last I checked the vitamin industry was mega-
    big business. They've done quite well considering that the
    pharm cartel is supposedly trying to put them out of
    business. In some cases the businesses are the same, as you
    say, but not always. For example, most vitamin E is make by
    ADM and Cargil. Hoffman LaRoche is now out of that business.
    The hilarious thing is that this is due to just what John
    was complaining about in the pharm industry-- a cartel of
    vitamin manufacturers setting artificially high prices for
    vitamins. But it didn't last.

    John probably thinks the vitamin E in his supplements is
    lovingly extracted from nuts by Keebler Elves in a tree. But
    if he really knew where it came from and how it got there,
    I'm sure he'd be shocked.

    > > 12 Throughout the more than one hundred year existence
    > > of the pharmaceutical industry, vitamins and other
    > > essential nutrients, with defined functions as cofactors
    > > in cellular metabolism, have been the fiercest
    > > competition and the greatest threat to the long-term
    > > success of the pharmaceutical investment business.
    >
    > Nonsense. See #11

    Indeed.

    >> > (1) Withholding life-saving health information from
    >> > millions of
    > > people. It is simply unacceptable that today so few know
    > > that the human body cannot produce vitamin C and lysine,
    > > two key molecules for connective tissue stability and
    > > disease prevention.
    >
    > Who is withholding this information. It's taught in high-
    > school health classes and is available in any nutrition
    > text, and on hundreds of websites.

    COMMENT: Yeah, but John just learned about it last week
    while rereading 20 year old bestselling books by Linus
    Pauling....

    > > (2) Discrediting natural health therapies. The most
    > > common way is through global PR campaigns organized
    > > by the Pharma-Cartel that spread lies about the
    > > alleged side effects of natural substances -
    > > molecules that have been used by Nature for
    > > millennia.
    >
    > Any substance active enough to have effects is likely to
    > also have side effects. This includes natural and
    > synthetic molecules alike. Get over it.

    Can we talk about the side effects of opium, nicotene,
    and cocaine?

    >> > (3) Banning by law the dissemination of information
    >> > about natural
    > > health therapies. To that end, the pharmaceutical
    > > industry has placed its lobbyists in key political
    > > positions in key markets and leading drug export
    > > nations.
    >
    > "Banning by law the dissemination of information" would
    > violate the principle of free speech--unlikely in the U.S.

    Unless it was advertising information. There isn't a clear
    line between advertising and free speech. In some cases the
    courts have decided that it literally depends on the
    physical distance between the printed matter and the pill.
    Or whether or not they are physically connected. As the
    flyer or brochure creeps closer and closer to the bottle, it
    functions more and more like a brand or label.

    The first ammendment doesn't protect you prosecution for
    fraud when you tell lies in selling a product. If it did,
    the first ammendment would be an impregnable defense in all
    cases of consumer fraud.

    SBH
     
  10. Carole

    Carole Guest

    [email protected] (Steve Harris [email protected]) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > "Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<y7idnYQExJt-e8zdRVn-
    > [email protected]>...
    > > "john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry
    >
    > > > 4 The marketplace for the pharmaceutical industry is
    > > > the human body - but only for as long as the body
    > > > hosts diseases. Thus, maintaining and expanding
    > > > diseases is a precondition for the growth of the
    > > > pharmaceutical industry.
    > >
    > > There will be plenty of wild, natural disease to supply
    > > the pharmaceutical markets for the forseeable future.
    > > There is no need to manufacture new diseases or to fail
    > > to collect on the profitability of producing cures for
    > > some of them.
    >
    > COMMENT:
    >
    > Indeed. Simple expansion of the population means an
    > expanding pharamaceutical market, even at the same level
    > of disease.
    >
    > The subtext here is that John is assuming that with proper
    > herbs and nutrition the human body is ageless and
    > immortal. Not to say impervious to trauma, injury, and self-
    > poisoning. Otherwise, of course, you're guaranteed plenty
    > of medical problems which require pharmaceutical
    > treatments.

    No, you got it wrong as usual. People these days don't
    really know what good health is and the reason is, they
    either live in countries where they can't get an adequate
    diet, or they live in western society where they eat
    devitalised, acid forming diets. If a person is really
    healthy they aren't prone to all the degenerative disease
    which require pharmaceutical products.

    > > > 5 A key strategy to accomplish this goal is the
    > > > development of drugs that merely mask symptoms while
    > > > avoiding the curing or elimination of diseases. This
    > > > explains why most prescription drugs marketed today
    > > > have no proven efficacy and merely target symptoms.
    > >
    > > This is simply not true, though it is a popular fantasy
    > > of paranoid medicine bashers.

    For an analytical thinking person like yourself, I find it
    curious that you swallow the orthodox brand of medicine
    without querying its foundations, and examing
    contradictions.

    > COMMENT:
    >
    > It is indeed a curious argument, as it assumes that there
    > exist drugs which cure diseases which are being
    > suppressed. But that would require everybody be in on the
    > conspiracy when it came to (say) high blood pressure, but
    > that somehow the pharm cartel geeked on monopoly when it
    > came to acne, leukemia, and infection. Say what? How does
    > that work, John? And when you're done, perhaps you can
    > explain the expansion of the veterinary pharm industry
    > right along side the human one. You think maybe
    > Nestle/Purina has a deal to slip disease-causing stuff
    > into dog or cat food so that (say) Abbott or Baxter or Ft.
    > Dodge can make a buck treating them?

    No everybody isn't in on the conspiracy. It is a top down
    conspiracy where only those at the top are purposely going
    against the best interests of health. The rest are just
    fitting into the system, protecting their jobs, trying to
    build some status within an industry, doing what they've
    been trained to do since they were kids. However, there
    comes a point where all the dissenting voices have to be
    listened to and their arguments examined.

    > > > Another key strategy to expand pharmaceutical markets
    > > > is to cause new diseases with drugs. While merely
    > > > masking symptoms short term, most of the prescription
    > > > drugs taken by millions of patients today cause a
    > > > multitude of new diseases as a result of their known
    > > > long-term side effects. For example, all cholesterol-
    > > > lowering drugs currently on the market are known to
    > > > increase the risk of developing cancer - but only
    > > > after the patient has been taking the drug for several
    > > > years.
    > >
    > > Have you ever heard of relative risk. Might it not be
    > > worth raising your risk of cancer by 0.5% to reduce your
    > > risk of heart attack by 35%?
    >
    >
    > Comment:
    >
    > Don't play up to John's lies. No controlled study of any
    > statin drug, including those running 5 years or more, has
    > shown any increase in cancer. There is not reason to
    > imagine that statin-caused hepatoma in rodents applies to
    > people. Everything causes hepatoma in rodents.
    >
    > > > 8 The known deadly side effects of prescription drugs
    > > > are the fourth leading cause of death in the
    > > > industrialized world, surpassed only by the number of
    > > > deaths from heart attacks, cancer and strokes (Journal
    > > > of the American Medical Association, April 15, 1998).
    >
    > COMMENT The "factoid" has been repeatedly debunked on this
    > forum. It simply isn't true.

    Steve, denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

    > > This fact is no
    > > > surprise either, because drug patents are primarily
    > > > issued for new synthetic molecules. All synthetic
    > > > molecules need to be detoxified and eliminated from
    > > > the body, a system that frequently fails and results
    > > > in an epidemic of severe and deadly side effects.
    > >
    > > "Natural" molecules are no different from synthetic
    > > molecules. Your body does not care, for example, whether
    > > a molecule of acetylsalicytic acid came from that
    > > aspirin or from the bark of a white willow tree.
    >
    > COMMENT Since there are no all-natural vitamin C
    > supplement pills on the market, one wonders whether John
    > takes a multivitamin.\

    Splitting hairs, hmmm? Always a useful strategy when you
    know you've lost the argument.

    > > > 11 Vitamins and other effective natural health
    > > > therapies that optimize cellular metabolism threaten
    > > > the pharmaceutical "business with disease" because
    > > > they target the cellular cause of today's most common
    > > > diseases - and these natural substances cannot be
    > > > patented.
    > >
    > > The processes to manufacture vitamins can be patented,
    > > and the brand names for combinations of them can be
    > > registered as trademarks. Most vitamin products are
    > > manufactured and sold profitably by the pharm giants.
    > > Even the products of the smaller "natural supplement"
    > > companies are mostly manufactured and packaged under
    > > contract by the larger pharmaceutical companies.
    >
    > COMMENT: Yes, last I checked the vitamin industry was mega-
    > big business. They've done quite well considering that the
    > pharm cartel is supposedly trying to put them out of
    > business. In some cases the businesses are the same, as
    > you say, but not always. For example, most vitamin E is
    > make by ADM and Cargil. Hoffman LaRoche is now out of that
    > business. The hilarious thing is that this is due to just
    > what John was complaining about in the pharm industry-- a
    > cartel of vitamin manufacturers setting artificially high
    > prices for vitamins. But it didn't last.
    >
    > John probably thinks the vitamin E in his supplements is
    > lovingly extracted from nuts by Keebler Elves in a tree.
    > But if he really knew where it came from and how it got
    > there, I'm sure he'd be shocked.

    Whether the nutritional products are produced in a lab isn't
    the point. The main thing is, do they work? And what the
    pharm mob don't like, is people resorting to nutritional
    products - because they can't be patented.

    BTW have you looked at Boyd E. Graves, an attorney and a
    graduate from the Naval Academy in Annapolis' website, where
    he claims "AIDS is ethnic weapon developed in the U.S." He
    has a patent number for the creation of the virus, and
    another patent number for the one off cure.
    http://www.boydgraves.com

    A bit different from your in depth research where you
    claimed AIDS come out of the environment. Just remember
    Steve, its not how much research you do, but whether it is
    truly unbiased. Unfortunately, something that can't be said
    about yours.

    Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm
     
  11. John

    John Guest

    [email protected] (Steve Harris [email protected]) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    >
    > COMMENT:
    >
    > Indeed. Simple expansion of the population means an
    > expanding pharamaceutical market, even at the same level
    > of disease.
    >
    > The subtext here is that John is assuming that with proper
    > herbs and nutrition the human body is ageless and
    > immortal. Not to say impervious to trauma, injury, and self-
    > poisoning. Otherwise, of course, you're guaranteed plenty
    > of medical problems which require pharmaceutical
    > treatments.

    You can't mind read you moron.

    >
    > > > 5 A key strategy to accomplish this goal is the
    > > > development of drugs that merely mask symptoms while
    > > > avoiding the curing or elimination of diseases. This
    > > > explains why most prescription drugs marketed today
    > > > have no proven efficacy and merely target symptoms.
    > >
    > > This is simply not true, though it is a popular fantasy
    > > of paranoid medicine bashers.
    >
    > COMMENT:
    >
    > It is indeed a curious argument, as it assumes that there
    > exist drugs which cure diseases which are being
    > suppressed. But that would require everybody be in on the
    > conspiracy when it came to (say) high blood pressure, but
    > that somehow the pharm cartel geeked on monopoly when it
    > came to acne, leukemia, and infection. Say what? How does
    > that work, John?

    Do some research http://www.whale.to/a/hoaxpharma.html It
    doesn't require everyone to be in on it and you know
    that. Do you think every sucker who went to war in Iraq
    knew it had nothing to do with Bad Saddam or WMD? The
    soldiers are clueless as to war politics just like the
    pharma soldiers are clueless about medical politics, just
    like the population are clueless about world politics or
    any politics.

    >And when you're done, perhaps you can explain the expansion
    >of the veterinary pharm industry right along side the human
    >one. You think maybe Nestle/Purina has a deal to slip disease-
    >causing stuff into dog or cat food so that (say) Abbott or
    >Baxter or Ft. Dodge can make a buck treating them?

    Pharma vets have a monopoly like you pharma docs. You all
    work for the drug cartel. With all those doggy and horsy
    vacs you don't need to add any more poisons. Look how your
    ilk Rumsfeld got aspartame approved
    http://www.whale.to/a/rumsfeld_h.html and he was behind the
    Swine Flu poisoning, quite a little Nazi isn't he, he even
    looks like the clone or son of one.

    >
    > > > 8 The known deadly side effects of prescription drugs
    > > > are the fourth leading cause of death in the
    > > > industrialized world, surpassed only by the number of
    > > > deaths from heart attacks, cancer and strokes (Journal
    > > > of the American Medical Association, April 15, 1998).
    >
    > COMMENT The "factoid" has been repeatedly debunked on this
    > forum. It simply isn't true.

    No it hasn't. Just saying it has doesn't make it so. Also
    when you factor in the 600,000 people who die of cancer
    after being denied access to life saving non-toxic non-
    cartel medicine, after mostly being given chemo when in most
    cases it has no value--leading to shortened lifespan, as Dr
    Jones proved in 1969, then it would more likely put you as
    number 1 cause of death, easily.

    Plus you friends in the war industry lie Rumsfeld who start
    wars to lower the population etc

    etc etc yawn
     
  12. [email protected] (Carole) wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > BTW have you looked at Boyd E. Graves, an attorney and a
    > graduate from the Naval Academy in Annapolis' website,
    > where he claims "AIDS is ethnic weapon developed in the
    > U.S." He has a patent number for the creation of the
    > virus, and another patent number for the one off cure.
    > http://www.boydgraves.com
    >
    > http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm
    >

    Before anyone gets the idea that hubbca has a clue, I
    suggest you read her conspiracy web pages. The articles
    claiming that the earth is hollow, critters from space are
    visiting, etc, etc should be proof enought that you are
    reading the rants of a kook.

    Move over Francis E. Dec, here comes Carole!

    r

    --
    Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with
    DLT tapes.
     
  13. Anth

    Anth Guest

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >How old are you, John? Do you have a family history of
    >heart attack?
    Perhaps
    >you should be taking a daily aspirin. Sure, Bayer would
    >like for you to
    take
    >their brand, but those $4.20 for 500 tablets generic brands
    >work just as well. In any case, if you have chest pain for
    >more than five minutes, take an aspirin after you call the
    >ambulance. It may just be the best 0.85c you
    .ever spent.

    If aspirin did indeed effect first heart attacks like you
    say, then why did it take many thousands of people to 'see
    this effect' ? Also how does this effect my situation since
    I am only 1 person, what %age would you say aspirin going to
    reduce my changes of first heart attack?

    I'd rather take a daily dose of vitamin c, as there's no
    evidence that I know of, that a daily vitamin c pill
    increases the risk of pancreatic cancer like aspirin
    does. Anth
     
  14. Anth

    Anth Guest

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry
    > >
    >
    http://www4.dr-rath-
    foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/laws_of_the_pharm
    > aceutical_industry.htm
    > > The main principles governing the pharmaceutical
    > > "business with disease." It is not in the financial
    > > interests of the pharmaceutical industry to prevent
    > > common diseases - the maintenance and expansion of
    > > diseases is a precondition for the financial growth of
    > > this industry. 1 The pharmaceutical industry is an
    > > investment industry driven by the profits of its
    > > shareholders. Improving human health is not the driving
    > > force of this industry.
    >
    > Yes, profits for the shareholders is the number one
    > priority of the pharmaceutical companies. This is why they
    > are so tightly regulated by federal laws and government
    > agencies. Profit is the priority of supplement
    > manufacturers and retailers, too. Isn't it a shame that
    > the FDA cannot protect us from their greed, too?

    Indeed, something should be done about this, and is, it's
    called NCCAM.

    > > 2 The pharmaceutical investment industry was
    > > artificially created and strategically developed over an
    > > entire century by the same investment groups that
    > > control the global petrochemical and chemical
    > > industries.
    >
    > So?

    So we know that a bunch of Nazi arseholes run it.
    Proves *nothing*

    > > 3 The huge profits of the pharmaceutical industry are
    > > based on the patenting of new drugs. These patents
    > > essentially allow drug manufacturers to arbitrarily
    > > define the profits for their products.
    >
    > Yes, but they must compete in a free market with competing
    > products. Have you priced herbal supplements lately?

    I know that the herbal supplement industry is costing my
    country a lot in eco damage. They should bog off and grow
    their own, rather than rape the countryside. I also know
    that currently there is a war going on with herbal
    supplement manufacturers and big pharma.

    > > 4 The marketplace for the pharmaceutical industry is the
    > > human body - but only for as long as the body hosts
    > > diseases. Thus, maintaining and expanding diseases is a
    > > precondition for the growth of the pharmaceutical
    > > industry.

    Are you saying this isn't a powerful argument?

    > There will be plenty of wild, natural disease to supply
    > the pharmaceutical markets for the forseeable future.
    > There is no need to manufacture new diseases or to fail to
    > collect on the profitability of producing cures for some
    > of them.
    > >
    > > 5 A key strategy to accomplish this goal is the
    > > development of drugs that merely mask symptoms while
    > > avoiding the curing or elimination of diseases. This
    > > explains why most prescription drugs marketed today have
    > > no proven efficacy and merely target symptoms.
    >
    > This is simply not true, though it is a popular fantasy of
    > paranoid
    medicine
    > bashers.

    This _is_ simply true, where's the cures? Or have you not
    noticed there aint none?

    > >
    > > 6 To further expand their pharmaceutical market, the
    > > drug companies are continuously looking for new
    > > applications (indications) for the use of drugs they
    > > already market. For example, Bayer's pain pill Aspirin
    > > is now taken by 50 million healthy US citizens under the
    > > illusion it will prevent heart attacks.
    >
    > How old are you, John? Do you have a family history of
    > heart attack?
    Perhaps
    > you should be taking a daily aspirin. Sure, Bayer would
    > like for you to
    take
    > their brand, but those $4.20 for 500 tablets generic
    > brands work just as well. In any case, if you have chest
    > pain for more than five minutes, take an aspirin after
    > you call the ambulance. It may just be the best 0.85c you
    > ever spent.
    >

    Aspirin for heart attacks bawahahahahaha! There's other
    better supplements with less side effects and risks, for
    instance a glass of fresh orange juice a day or a few g of
    vitamin c.

    > > 7 Another key strategy to expand pharmaceutical markets
    > > is to cause new diseases with drugs. While merely
    > > masking symptoms short term, most of the prescription
    > > drugs taken by millions of patients today cause a
    > > multitude of new diseases as a result of their known long-
    > > term side effects. For example, all cholesterol-lowering
    > > drugs currently on the market are known to increase the
    > > risk of developing cancer - but only after the patient
    > > has been taking the drug for several years.
    >
    > Have you ever heard of relative risk. Might it not be
    > worth raising your risk of cancer by 0.5% to reduce your
    > risk of heart attack by 35%?

    Or in the case of vitamin c, reduce your risk of heart
    disease by 100%?

    > rescription drugs are the fourth
    > > leading cause of death in the industrialized world,
    > > surpassed only by the number of deaths from heart
    > > attacks, cancer and strokes (Journal of the American
    > > Medical Association, April 15, 1998). This fact is no
    > > surprise either, because drug patents are primarily
    > > issued for new synthetic molecules. All synthetic
    > > molecules need to be detoxified and eliminated from the
    > > body, a system that frequently fails and results in an
    > > epidemic of severe and deadly side effects.
    >

    > "Natural" molecules are no different from synthetic
    > molecules. Your body does not care, for example, whether a
    > molecule of acetylsalicytic acid
    came
    > from that aspirin or from the bark of a white willow tree.

    Natural v synthetic, maybe so, but your body sure does care
    what it is mixed with, in what form and in what ratios (See
    the CARET study) vs recent study on beta carotene showing no
    increase in cancer rates amongst smokers taking 'natural
    beta carotene.'

    > > 9 While the promotion and expansion of diseases increase
    > > the market of the pharmaceutical investment industry -
    > > prevention and root cause treatment of diseases decrease
    > > long-term profitability; therefore, they are avoided or
    > > even obstructed by this industry.
    >
    > Bullshit! You've already mentioned a class of
    > pharmaceuticals that are
    sold
    > specifically for prevention...statins. Aspirin, too.

    Where's the data that shows statins reduce mortality from
    heart disease?

    Aspirin is bullshit, have you seen the size of the sample
    space they needed to show this effect (prevention of first
    heart attacks)?

    > > 10 Worst of all, the eradication of diseases is by its
    > > very nature incompatible with and diametrically opposed
    > > to the interests of the pharmaceutical investment
    > > industry. The eradication of diseases now considered as
    > > potential drug markets will destroy billions of
    > > investment dollars and eventually will eliminate this
    > > entire industry.
    >
    >
    > Eradication of diseases is difficult and rare, and hardly
    > enough threat to the pharmaceutical industries to come up
    > in their boardroom discussions. Perhaps though, you are
    > familiar with the eradication of smallpox, and the coming
    > eradication of polio through...look out John, here it
    > comes...VACCINATION!
    >

    If the selection is towards palliation and profit then these
    'cures' will rarely materialise.

    > >
    > > 11 Vitamins and other effective natural health therapies
    > > that optimize cellular metabolism threaten the
    > > pharmaceutical "business with disease" because they
    > > target the cellular cause of today's most common
    > > diseases - and these natural substances cannot be
    > > patented.
    >
    > The processes to manufacture vitamins can be patented, and
    > the brand names for combinations of them can be registered
    > as trademarks. Most vitamin products are manufactured and
    > sold profitably by the pharm giants. Even
    the
    > products of the smaller "natural supplement" companies are
    > mostly manufactured and packaged under contract by the
    > larger pharmaceutical companies.

    Most vitamin products are a whole lot less profitable than
    the end result of dealing with a terminal illness.

    > >
    > > 12 Throughout the more than one hundred year existence
    > > of the pharmaceutical industry, vitamins and other
    > > essential nutrients, with defined functions as cofactors
    > > in cellular metabolism, have been the fiercest
    > > competition and the greatest threat to the long-term
    > > success of the pharmaceutical investment business.
    >
    > Nonsense. See #11
    >
    >
    > >
    > > 13 Vitamins and other effective natural health therapies
    > > that effectively prevent diseases are incompatible with
    > > the very nature of the pharmaceutical "business with
    > > disease."
    >
    > More paranoid bullshit.

    If you take typically vitamin c, and assume that it prevents
    heart disease by 100%, then what you have is a market for
    vitamin c. What you don't have is a market for statins and
    all other things. End of research, end up a billion dollar
    industry and end of jobs careers, charities and a whole lot
    of other things. Same applies for cancer research.

    > >
    > > 14 To protect the strategic development of its
    > > investment business against the threat from effective,
    > > natural and non-patentable therapies, the pharmaceutical
    > > industry has - over an entire century - used the most
    > > unscrupulous methods, such as:
    > >
    > >
    > > (1) Withholding life-saving health information from
    > > millions of people. It is simply unacceptable that
    > > today so few know that the human body cannot produce
    > > vitamin C and lysine, two key molecules for
    > > connective tissue stability and disease prevention.
    >
    > Who is withholding this information. It's taught in high-
    > school health classes and is available in any nutrition
    > text, and on hundreds of
    websites.
    >

    They are withholding information. 'We have statins and
    profits to recoup, no need ascorbate.'

    > >
    > > (2) Discrediting natural health therapies. The most
    > > common way is through global PR campaigns organized
    > > by the Pharma-Cartel that spread lies about the
    > > alleged side effects of natural substances -
    > > molecules that have been used by Nature for
    > > millennia.
    >
    > Any substance active enough to have effects is likely to
    > also have side effects. This includes natural and
    > synthetic molecules alike. Get over
    it.

    Here we go with the big dose is poison argument, even water
    will kill you in big enough doses. Even so, a in high enough
    doses vitamin c dose will cause side effects, but will it
    increase your risk of cancer?

    > > (3) Banning by law the dissemination of information
    > > about natural health therapies. To that end, the
    > > pharmaceutical industry has placed its lobbyists in
    > > key political positions in key markets and leading
    > > drug export nations.
    >
    > "Banning by law the dissemination of information" would
    > violate the principle of free speech--unlikely in the U.S.
    >

    This comment made me laugh very much, considering the track
    record of the US at the moment, where is the free speech?
    Oh please..

    > > 15 The pharmaceutical "business with disease" is the
    > > largest deception and fraud business in human history.
    > > The product "health" promised by drug companies is not
    > > delivered to millions of patients. Instead, the
    > > "products" most often delivered are the opposite: new
    > > diseases and frequently, death.
    >
    > More paranoia.

    Paranoia well spent.

    >>16
    > > The survival of the pharmaceutical industry is dependent
    > > on the elimination by any means of effective natural
    > > health therapies. These natural and non-patentable
    > > therapies have become the treatment of choice for
    > > millions of people despite the combined economic,
    > > political and media opposition of the world's largest
    > > investment industry.
    >
    > You are repeating yourself. It wasn't true the first time
    > you said it, and it's not true now.
    >

    Heart disease -> vitamin c (no statins or whatever) 100's of
    billions they will be out of pocket.

    > --Rich
    >

    Anth
     
  15. Anth

    Anth Guest

    "Steve Harris [email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:[email protected]...
    > "Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > > "john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry
    >
    > > > 4 The marketplace for the pharmaceutical industry is
    > > > the human body - but only for as long as the body
    > > > hosts diseases. Thus, maintaining and expanding
    > > > diseases is a precondition for the growth of the
    > > > pharmaceutical industry.
    > >
    > > There will be plenty of wild, natural disease to
    > > supply the
    pharmaceutical
    > > markets for the forseeable future. There is no need to
    > > manufacture new diseases or to fail to collect on the
    > > profitability of producing cures
    for
    > > some of them.
    >
    > COMMENT:
    >
    > Indeed. Simple expansion of the population means an
    > expanding pharamaceutical market, even at the same level
    > of disease.
    >
    > The subtext here is that John is assuming that with proper
    > herbs and nutrition the human body is ageless and
    > immortal. Not to say impervious to trauma, injury, and self-
    > poisoning. Otherwise, of course, you're guaranteed plenty
    > of medical problems which require pharmaceutical
    > treatments.

    That is simplistic, if you consider the curves for many
    products that will be pushed out of action because of a
    potential cheaper product then your overall market is
    reduced. The market may be increased with respect to one
    product, but other treatments would become useless. You
    would be shooting yourself in the foot.

    > > > 5 A key strategy to accomplish this goal is the
    > > > development of drugs that merely mask symptoms while
    > > > avoiding the curing or elimination of diseases. This
    > > > explains why most prescription drugs marketed today
    > > > have no proven efficacy and merely target symptoms.
    > >
    > > This is simply not true, though it is a popular fantasy
    > > of paranoid
    medicine
    > > bashers.
    >
    > COMMENT:
    >
    > It is indeed a curious argument, as it assumes that there
    > exist drugs which cure diseases which are being
    > suppressed. But that would require everybody be in on the
    > conspiracy when it came to (say) high blood pressure, but
    > that somehow the pharm cartel geeked on monopoly when it
    > came to acne, leukemia, and infection. Say what? How does
    > that work, John? And when you're done, perhaps you can
    > explain the expansion of the veterinary pharm industry
    > right along side the human one. You think maybe
    > Nestle/Purina has a deal to slip disease-causing stuff
    > into dog or cat food so that (say) Abbott or Baxter or Ft.
    > Dodge can make a buck treating them?

    Yes it does assume, typically this argument is from Dr
    Rath's site.

    > > > Another key strategy to expand pharmaceutical markets
    > > > is to cause new diseases with drugs. While merely
    > > > masking symptoms short term, most of the prescription
    > > > drugs taken by millions of patients today cause a
    > > > multitude of new diseases as a result of their known
    > > > long-term side effects. For example, all cholesterol-
    > > > lowering drugs currently on the market are known to
    > > > increase the risk of developing cancer - but only
    > > > after the patient has been taking the drug for several
    > > > years.
    > >
    > > Have you ever heard of relative risk. Might it not be
    > > worth raising your risk of cancer by 0.5% to reduce your
    > > risk of heart attack by 35%?
    >
    >
    > Comment:
    >
    >
    > Don't play up to John's lies. No controlled study of any
    > statin drug, including those running 5 years or more, has
    > shown any increase in cancer. There is not reason to
    > imagine that statin-caused hepatoma in rodents applies to
    > people. Everything causes hepatoma in rodents.

    >
    > > > 8 The known deadly side effects of prescription drugs
    > > > are the fourth leading cause of death in the
    > > > industrialized world, surpassed only by the number of
    > > > deaths from heart attacks, cancer and strokes (Journal
    > > > of the American Medical Association, April 15, 1998).
    >
    > COMMENT The "factoid" has been repeatedly debunked on this
    > forum. It simply isn't true.
    >
    >
    >
    > > This fact is no
    > > > surprise either, because drug patents are primarily
    > > > issued for new synthetic molecules. All synthetic
    > > > molecules need to be detoxified and eliminated from
    > > > the body, a system that frequently fails and results
    > > > in an epidemic of severe and deadly side effects.
    > >
    > > "Natural" molecules are no different from synthetic
    > > molecules. Your body does not care, for example, whether
    > > a molecule of acetylsalicytic acid
    came
    > > from that aspirin or from the bark of a white
    > > willow tree.
    >
    > COMMENT Since there are no all-natural vitamin C
    > supplement pills on the market, one wonders whether John
    > takes a multivitamin.

    Agreed, what you get in supplement form would be L
    Ascorbate, which isn't what you would get in something like
    a piece of fruit.

    > > > 11 Vitamins and other effective natural health
    > > > therapies that optimize cellular metabolism threaten
    > > > the pharmaceutical "business with disease" because
    > > > they target the cellular cause of today's most common
    > > > diseases - and these natural substances cannot be
    > > > patented.
    > >
    > > The processes to manufacture vitamins can be patented,
    > > and the brand
    names
    > > for combinations of them can be registered as
    > > trademarks. Most vitamin products are manufactured and
    > > sold profitably by the pharm giants. Even
    the
    > > products of the smaller "natural supplement" companies
    > > are mostly manufactured and packaged under contract by
    > > the larger pharmaceutical companies.
    >
    > COMMENT: Yes, last I checked the vitamin industry was mega-
    > big business. They've done quite well considering that the
    > pharm cartel is supposedly trying to put them out of
    > business. In some cases the businesses are the same, as
    > you say, but not always. For example, most vitamin E is
    > make by ADM and Cargil. Hoffman LaRoche is now out of that
    > business. The hilarious thing is that this is due to just
    > what John was complaining about in the pharm industry-- a
    > cartel of vitamin manufacturers setting artificially high
    > prices for vitamins. But it didn't last.
    >
    > John probably thinks the vitamin E in his supplements is
    > lovingly extracted from nuts by Keebler Elves in a tree.
    > But if he really knew where it came from and how it got
    > there, I'm sure he'd be shocked.
    >
    >
    > > > 12 Throughout the more than one hundred year existence
    > > > of the pharmaceutical industry, vitamins and other
    > > > essential nutrients, with defined functions as
    > > > cofactors in cellular metabolism, have been the
    > > > fiercest competition and the greatest threat to the
    > > > long-term success of the pharmaceutical investment
    > > > business.
    > >
    > > Nonsense. See #11
    >
    >
    > Indeed.
    >
    >
    > >> > (1) Withholding life-saving health information from
    > >> > millions of
    > > > people. It is simply unacceptable that today so few
    > > > know that the human body cannot produce vitamin C and
    > > > lysine, two key molecules for connective tissue
    > > > stability and disease prevention.
    > >
    > > Who is withholding this information. It's taught in high-
    > > school health classes and is available in any nutrition
    > > text, and on hundreds of
    websites.
    >
    > COMMENT: Yeah, but John just learned about it last week
    > while rereading 20 year old bestselling books by Linus
    > Pauling....
    >
    >
    > > > (2) Discrediting natural health therapies. The most
    > > > common way is through global PR campaigns
    > > > organized by the Pharma-Cartel that spread lies
    > > > about the alleged side effects of natural
    > > > substances - molecules that have been used by
    > > > Nature for millennia.
    > >
    > > Any substance active enough to have effects is likely to
    > > also have side effects. This includes natural and
    > > synthetic molecules alike. Get over
    it.
    >
    >
    > Can we talk about the side effects of opium, nicotene, and
    > cocaine?
    >
    >
    > >> > (3) Banning by law the dissemination of information
    > >> > about natural
    > > > health therapies. To that end, the pharmaceutical
    > > > industry has placed its lobbyists in key political
    > > > positions in key markets and leading drug export
    > > > nations.
    > >
    > > "Banning by law the dissemination of information"
    > > would violate the principle of free speech--unlikely
    > > in the U.S.
    >
    >
    > Unless it was advertising information. There isn't a clear
    > line between advertising and free speech. In some cases
    > the courts have decided that it literally depends on the
    > physical distance between the printed matter and the pill.
    > Or whether or not they are physically connected. As the
    > flyer or brochure creeps closer and closer to the bottle,
    > it functions more and more like a brand or label.
    >
    > The first ammendment doesn't protect you prosecution for
    > fraud when you tell lies in selling a product. If it did,
    > the first ammendment would be an impregnable defense in
    > all cases of consumer fraud.
    >
    >
    > SBH
     
  16. [email protected] (Carole) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    > Whether the nutritional products are produced in a lab
    > isn't the point. The main thing is, do they work? And what
    > the pharm mob don't like, is people resorting to
    > nutritional products - because they can't be patented.
    >
    > BTW have you looked at Boyd E. Graves, an attorney and a
    > graduate from the Naval Academy in Annapolis' website,
    > where he claims "AIDS is ethnic weapon developed in the
    > U.S." He has a patent number for the creation of the
    > virus, and another patent number for the one off cure.
    > http://www.boydgraves.com
    >
    > A bit different from your in depth research where you
    > claimed AIDS come out of the environment. Just remember
    > Steve, its not how much research you do, but whether it is
    > truly unbiased. Unfortunately, something that can't be
    > said about yours.
    >
    > Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm

    COMMENT:

    Boyd Graves appears to have some problems with paranoid
    delusions. You can usually tell nutcases by how much they go
    on and on about continuing holocausts involving their own
    ethnicity. For example see Jai Maharaj and his "Hindu
    Holocaust Museum." Or Jack Ruby, who at the end of his life,
    was convinced that Jews were being gased just below his
    jailcell, where he was being held, a few blocks from Dealy
    Plaza in Dallas. And the dentist Leonard Horowitz who is
    convined the AIDS virus is a construct made by chemical
    companies which were formerly members of the Nazi German
    chemical cartel IG Farbenindustrie. And then of course there
    is Graves, who is black and has given an amplified version
    of Horowitz's theory in talks on the "African American
    Holocaust." Are you sensing the general drift?

    I can't look at Graves' evidence because he's so concerned
    with the welfare of mankind that wants to *sell* me the
    evidence, at prices ranging from $25 to $100 per document.
    Tell you what, Carol: why don't you spring for the $600 or
    so it costs to buy all the stuff on his website, read it,
    and get back to us?

    A patented AIDS cure (sigh). Patents are a fun issue if you
    know anything about them. You can patent anything, and the
    only device the patent office actually makes you demonstrate
    to work, is a perpetual motion machine (they did that to
    keep from being inundated by one broad class of nutcases).
    But there exist patents for antigravity devices and a
    multitude of patents for AIDS cures. Needless to say, they
    don't mean much except that some patent attorney has made
    some money.

    Graves himself holds no patents. He does make references to
    a patent for a putative AIDS cure using Ag404 silver oxide
    complexes, to one Marvin S. Antelman (US 5676977). Antelman
    seems to be another Hulda Clarke, and believes he has found
    here the cure for all diseases-- a universal viruscide,
    algaecide, bactericide, and funguside (US 5336499). Plus,
    these compounds, according to Antelman, prevent and treat
    cancer in humans and animals (US 6485755). Why use vitamins?
    And let us not forget they also wipe out exema, dermatitis,
    and the heartbreak of psoriasis. Not to mention acne (US
    6258385). With silver tetroxide, according to Antelman, you
    can cure both your AIDS AND your acne with a single
    treatment. Very economical!

    Now, if only it went to the brain and fixed gullibility, we
    could see about getting YOU some, Carol.

    To bring us around to our primary subject, however, if
    silver tetroxide cures every thing from AIDS to cancer to
    acne, it will still be the province of "big pharma."
    Antelman isn't an altruist, but has licenced his silver
    tetroxide as the substance "Tetrasil", now a proprietary
    product of Holipharm Corporation (of Israel). They are
    busy, busy, testing it out on poor peasants with (maybe)
    AIDS, in Honduras.

    I wish them luck. I hope they don't have enough side effects
    or deaths in their human trials to warrant a human rights
    commission study into a "Hispanic Holocaust."

    And I'm afraid that even if Tetrasil does turn out to cure
    AIDS, not to mention acne, you can bet, Carol, that a bunch
    of Jews are going to make you pay for it.

    SBH
     
  17. Gymmy Bob

    Gymmy Bob Guest

    Not to mention the Alamo Holocaust. Nobody rememembers that
    one.

    Nice troll Steve

    "Steve Harris [email protected]"
    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I wish them luck. I hope they don't have enough side
    > effects or deaths in their human trials to warrant a human
    > rights commission study into a "Hispanic Holocaust."
    >
    > And I'm afraid that even if Tetrasil does turn out to cure
    > AIDS, not to mention acne, you can bet, Carol, that a
    > bunch of Jews are going to make you pay for it.
    >
    > SBH
     
  18. "Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    > > > 4 The marketplace for the pharmaceutical industry is
    > > > the human body - but only for as long as the body
    > > > hosts diseases. Thus, maintaining and expanding
    > > > diseases is a precondition for the growth of the
    > > > pharmaceutical industry.
    >
    > Are you saying this isn't a powerful argument?

    COMMENT: I'll be glad to say it isn't. Maintaining and
    expanding the zillion dollar auto repair industries and new
    car industries is obvious economically important. By this
    "powerful argument" what you're saying is essentially that
    since there are no fuel additives or motor oils which will
    cure burned out valve rings or indeed much of anything else
    that goes wrong with your car (excepting maybe fuel injector
    plugging), that this must mean that such stuff has been
    suppressed by nefarious auto mechanics and car companies who
    would be out of work if somebody developed a motor oil that
    made car engines immortal and wear-proof.

    Or, it could be the nature of engines that there's only so
    much that frequent oil changes can do for them.

    I personally am amazed that drugs cure ANY diseases. Again,
    that's like some motor oil that fixes your broken fan belt
    or timing problems.

    > This _is_ simply true, where's the cures? Or have you not
    > noticed there aint none?

    COMMENT: We've mentioned many. Many infections, cancers,
    acne, and acute inflammatory problems like vasculitis can
    all be cured by a single course of the proper drug. Also
    certain pathological clots. The similie of plugged fuel
    injectors is better than I thought.

    > Aspirin for heart attacks bawahahahahaha! There's other
    > better supplements with less side effects and risks, for
    > instance a glass of fresh orange juice a day or a few g of
    > vitamin c.

    COMMENT: There's no evidence that a glass of fresh orange
    juice a day does squat for heart disease. Abstract appended.

    > > Have you ever heard of relative risk. Might it not be
    > > worth raising your risk of cancer by 0.5% to reduce your
    > > risk of heart attack by 35%?
    >
    > Or in the case of vitamin c, reduce your risk of heart
    > disease by 100%?
    >
    > If you take typically vitamin c, and assume that it
    > prevents heart disease by 100%, then what you have is a
    > market for vitamin c.

    COMMENT:

    But there's no reason to think vitamin C reduces heart
    disease by anything like 100%. There are no long term
    prospective randomized studies, but we can get some idea of
    vitamin C's effect from large epidemiological studies. In
    the nurse's health study, when they controlled for the
    effects of other variables like smoking, age, etc, the
    effect of DIETARY vitamin C in the diet on heart disease
    *couldn't even be seen.* Statistically it didn't make
    significance, even with 85,000 women, 1.2 million person-
    years, and more than a thousand cases of coronary disease
    diagnosed. So much for orange juice.

    When they compared women who took C and/or multivitamin
    supplements to those who didn't, the supplement users had a
    heart disease risk of about 72% of the non-users
    (statistical range 61% to 86%). So at most there's evidence
    supplements reduce heart disease by less than 30%. We don't
    know if it's the vitamin C alone, since they didn't break
    out only vitamin C users who didn't take multivitamins. And
    can't be sure of any of this until a prospective randomized
    study is done.

    After all, women who care enough about their health to use
    supplements may be different in many other ways from women
    who don't. You can't control for all of them.

    J Am Coll Cardiol. 2003 Jul 16;42(2):246-52.

    (Comment in:J Am Coll Cardiol. 2003 Jul 16;42(2):253-5.)

    Vitamin C and risk of coronary heart disease in women.

    Osganian SK, Stampfer MJ, Rimm E, Spiegelman D, Hu FB,
    Manson JE, Willett WC.

    Department of Medicine, Children's Hospital, Boston,
    Massachusetts, USA. [email protected]

    OBJECTIVES: Our objective was to prospectively examine the
    relation between vitamin C intake and risk of coronary heart
    disease (CHD) in women. BACKGROUND: Results from prospective
    investigations of the relation between vitamin C intake and
    risk of CHD have been inconsistent. The lack of clear
    evidence for a protective association despite a plausible
    mechanism indicates the need to evaluate further the
    association between vitamin C intake and risk of CHD.
    METHODS: In 1980, 85,118 female nurses completed a detailed
    semiquantitative food-frequency questionnaire that assessed
    their consumption of vitamin C and other nutrients. Nurses
    were followed up for 16 years for the development of
    incident CHD (nonfatal myocardial infarction and fatal CHD).
    RESULTS: During 16 years of follow-up (1,240,566 person-
    years), we identified 1,356 incident cases of CHD. After
    adjustment for age, smoking, and a variety of other coronary
    risk factors, we observed a modest significant inverse
    association between total intake of vitamin C and risk of
    CHD (relative risk [RR] = 0.73; 95% confidence interval [CI]
    0.57 to 0.94). Among women who did not use vitamin C
    supplements or multivitamins, the association between intake
    of vitamin C from diet alone and incidence of CHD was weak
    and not significant (RR = 0.86; 95% CI .59 to
    1.26). In multivariate models adjusting for age, smoking,
    and a variety of other coronary risk factors, vitamin C
    supplement use was associated with a significantly
    lower risk of CHD (RR = 0.72; 95% CI 0.61 to 0.86).
    CONCLUSIONS: Users of vitamin C supplements appear to
    be at lower risk for CHD.

    PMID: 12875759 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
     
  19. John

    John Guest

    [email protected] (Steve Harris
    [email protected].netcom.com) wrote in
    >
    >
    > COMMENT:
    >
    > Boyd Graves appears to have some problems with paranoid
    > delusions. You can usually tell nutcases by how much they
    > go on and on about continuing holocausts involving their
    > own ethnicity. For example see Jai Maharaj and his "Hindu
    > Holocaust Museum." Or Jack Ruby, who at the end of his
    > life, was convinced that Jews were being gased just below
    > his jailcell, where he was being held, a few blocks from
    > Dealy Plaza in Dallas.

    You Illuminati shills, that is the best you can come up with
    "paranoid delusions" What happened to "Paranoid
    Schizophrenia"? Are we being a little careful now that I
    pointed out it is the term you lot hide your mind control
    victims under
    http://www.whale.to/a/paranoid_schizophrenia.html

    No wonder mind control victims like Ruby end up disturbed,
    lets hope you end up the same way when your mind control
    breaks down. You assholes can't keep the lid on mind control
    killers any more http://www.whale.to/b/killers_q.html

    >And the dentist Leonard Horowitz who is convined the AIDS
    >virus is a construct made by chemical companies which were
    >formerly members of the Nazi German chemical cartel IG
    >Farbenindustrie.

    Yes, that makes the most sense to me, after all the
    Illuminati assholes like Bush, Rockefeller and co financed
    Hitler even during the war http://www.whale.to/b/war_q.html
    Read the Bush biog to get most of that
    http://www.whale.to/b/bush.html

    and then imported all of them after the war to carry on
    their mind control activities in the USA, that could be
    10,000. Menegele was one and he carried on his work with the
    help of the CIA, DIA etc with work that became known as MK
    Ultra, Monarch mind control
    http://www.whale.to/a/monarch1.html

    IG Farben was the chemical combine behind Hitler, and was in
    deep callaroration with American Companies before the war,
    and secretly during. That was why its factor hardly got
    bombed. So it is still there under different names. The main
    Illuminati company is Eli Lilly, and it was no surprise to
    see they put mercury into vaccines and faked studies to make
    out it was safe, and managed to get a law passed making them
    not liable to thimerosol litigation (since reversed I think)
    http://www.whale.to/a/eli_lilly.html

    Eli Lilly, think IG Farben.

    As for aids cures, one thing that wont cure it is drugs, in
    fact the AZT story is a case in point, get a useless highly
    toxic cancer med on the market using the usual underhand
    methods, so you can kill off a load more people, that must
    be 500,000 victims to that killer. While suppressing all
    real cures like oxygen therapy. This was after giving out
    aids in the vaccines in the first place as Cantwell pointed
    out in Doctors of Death
    http://www.whale.to/c/cantwell_alan.html

    Proven, no ifs and buts about it.

    And that asshole, Gallo, who makes invented HIV all the
    money on HIV tests is a Jesuit
    http://www.whale.to/b/jesuits.html wouldn't you know.

    And then they send in shills like you to stir the water and
    keep the killing machine on the road.

    "He was one of my most dramatic recoveries with AIDS, and
    the reason I say that is that he was the most far gone. He
    was in the absolute, end stage -- they have that wing in the
    hospital where they have given up on you. You can smoke pot
    and do anything you want. They had given up on him."—Dr
    Shulze, who cured 16 from last stage full-blown AIDS.
    http://www.whale.to/a/shulze.html
     
  20. John

    John Guest

    [email protected] (Steve Harris
    [email protected]AN9.netcom.com) wrote in
    >
    >
    > COMMENT:
    >
    > Boyd Graves appears to have some problems with paranoid
    > delusions. You can usually tell nutcases by how much they
    > go on and on about continuing holocausts involving their
    > own ethnicity. For example see Jai Maharaj and his "Hindu
    > Holocaust Museum." Or Jack Ruby, who at the end of his
    > life, was convinced that Jews were being gased just below
    > his jailcell, where he was being held, a few blocks from
    > Dealy Plaza in Dallas.

    You Illuminati shills, that is the best you can come up with
    "paranoid delusions" What happened to "Paranoid
    Schizophrenia"? Are we being a little careful now that I
    pointed out it is the term you lot hide your mind control
    victims under
    http://www.whale.to/a/paranoid_schizophrenia.html

    No wonder mind control victims like Ruby end up disturbed,
    lets hope you end up the same way when your mind control
    breaks down. You assholes can't keep the lid on mind control
    killers any more http://www.whale.to/b/killers_q.html

    >And the dentist Leonard Horowitz who is convined the AIDS
    >virus is a construct made by chemical companies which were
    >formerly members of the Nazi German chemical cartel IG
    >Farbenindustrie.

    Yes, that makes the most sense to me, after all the
    Illuminati assholes like Bush, Rockefeller and co financed
    Hitler even during the war http://www.whale.to/b/war_q.html
    Read the Bush biog to get most of that
    http://www.whale.to/b/bush.html

    and then imported all of them after the war to carry on
    their mind control activities in the USA, that could be
    10,000. Menegele was one and he carried on his work with the
    help of the CIA, DIA etc with work that became known as MK
    Ultra, Monarch mind control
    http://www.whale.to/a/monarch1.html

    IG Farben was the chemical combine behind Hitler, and was in
    deep callaroration with American Companies before the war,
    and secretly during. That was why its factor hardly got
    bombed. So it is still there under different names. The main
    Illuminati company is Eli Lilly, and it was no surprise to
    see they put mercury into vaccines and faked studies to make
    out it was safe, and managed to get a law passed making them
    not liable to thimerosol litigation (since reversed I think)
    http://www.whale.to/a/eli_lilly.html

    Eli Lilly, think IG Farben.

    As for aids cures, one thing that wont cure it is drugs, in
    fact the AZT story is a case in point, get a useless highly
    toxic cancer med on the market using the usual underhand
    methods, so you can kill off a load more people, that must
    be 500,000 victims to that killer. While suppressing all
    real cures like oxygen therapy. This was after giving out
    aids in the vaccines in the first place as Cantwell pointed
    out in Doctors of Death
    http://www.whale.to/c/cantwell_alan.html

    Proven, no ifs and buts about it.

    And that asshole, Gallo, who makes invented HIV all the
    money on HIV tests is a Jesuit
    http://www.whale.to/b/jesuits.html wouldn't you know.

    And then they send in shills like you to stir the water and
    keep the killing machine on the road.

    "He was one of my most dramatic recoveries with AIDS, and
    the reason I say that is that he was the most far gone. He
    was in the absolute, end stage -- they have that wing in the
    hospital where they have given up on you. You can smoke pot
    and do anything you want. They had given up on him."—Dr
    Shulze, who cured 16 from last stage full-blown AIDS.
    http://www.whale.to/a/shulze.html
     
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