The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry



[email protected] (Steve Harris
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>
>
> COMMENT:
>
> Boyd Graves appears to have some problems with paranoid
> delusions. You can usually tell nutcases by how much they
> go on and on about continuing holocausts involving their
> own ethnicity. For example see Jai Maharaj and his "Hindu
> Holocaust Museum." Or Jack Ruby, who at the end of his
> life, was convinced that Jews were being gased just below
> his jailcell, where he was being held, a few blocks from
> Dealy Plaza in Dallas.

You Illuminati shills, that is the best you can come up with
"paranoid delusions" What happened to "Paranoid
Schizophrenia"? Are we being a little careful now that I
pointed out it is the term you lot hide your mind control
victims under
http://www.whale.to/a/paranoid_schizophrenia.html

No wonder mind control victims like Ruby end up disturbed,
lets hope you end up the same way when your mind control
breaks down. You assholes can't keep the lid on mind control
killers any more http://www.whale.to/b/killers_q.html

>And the dentist Leonard Horowitz who is convined the AIDS
>virus is a construct made by chemical companies which were
>formerly members of the Nazi German chemical cartel IG
>Farbenindustrie.

Yes, that makes the most sense to me, after all the
Illuminati assholes like Bush, Rockefeller and co financed
****** even during the war http://www.whale.to/b/war_q.html
Read the Bush biog to get most of that
http://www.whale.to/b/bush.html

and then imported all of them after the war to carry on
their mind control activities in the USA, that could be
10,000. Menegele was one and he carried on his work with the
help of the CIA, DIA etc with work that became known as MK
Ultra, Monarch mind control
http://www.whale.to/a/monarch1.html

IG Farben was the chemical combine behind ******, and was in
deep callaroration with American Companies before the war,
and secretly during. That was why its factor hardly got
bombed. So it is still there under different names. The main
Illuminati company is Eli Lilly, and it was no surprise to
see they put mercury into vaccines and faked studies to make
out it was safe, and managed to get a law passed making them
not liable to thimerosol litigation (since reversed I think)
http://www.whale.to/a/eli_lilly.html

Eli Lilly, think IG Farben.

As for aids cures, one thing that wont cure it is drugs, in
fact the AZT story is a case in point, get a useless highly
toxic cancer med on the market using the usual underhand
methods, so you can kill off a load more people, that must
be 500,000 victims to that killer. While suppressing all
real cures like oxygen therapy. This was after giving out
aids in the vaccines in the first place as Cantwell pointed
out in Doctors of Death
http://www.whale.to/c/cantwell_alan.html

Proven, no ifs and buts about it.

And that asshole, Gallo, who makes invented HIV all the
money on HIV tests is a Jesuit
http://www.whale.to/b/jesuits.html wouldn't you know.

And then they send in shills like you to stir the water and
keep the killing machine on the road.

"He was one of my most dramatic recoveries with AIDS, and
the reason I say that is that he was the most far gone. He
was in the absolute, end stage -- they have that wing in the
hospital where they have given up on you. You can smoke pot
and do anything you want. They had given up on him."—Dr
Shulze, who cured 16 from last stage full-blown AIDS.
http://www.whale.to/a/shulze.html
 
"Steve Harris [email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> "Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > > 4 The marketplace for the pharmaceutical industry is
> > > > the human body - but only for as long as the body
> > > > hosts diseases. Thus, maintaining
and
> > > > expanding diseases is a precondition for the growth
> > > > of the pharmaceutical industry.
> >
> > Are you saying this isn't a powerful argument?
>
> COMMENT: I'll be glad to say it isn't. Maintaining and
> expanding the zillion dollar auto repair industries and
> new car industries is obvious economically important. By
> this "powerful argument" what you're saying is
> essentially that since there are no fuel additives or
> motor oils which will cure burned out valve rings or
> indeed much of anything else that goes wrong with your
> car (excepting maybe fuel injector plugging), that this
> must mean that such stuff has been suppressed by
> nefarious auto mechanics and car companies who would be
> out of work if somebody developed a motor oil that made
> car engines immortal and wear-proof. Or, it could be the
> nature of engines that there's only so much that frequent
> oil changes can do for them.

Or when they did try to control the 'oils and fuels' via
their illegal cartels.

'The river tells no lies, though standing on the shore the
dishonest man still hears them.'

> I personally am amazed that drugs cure ANY diseases.
> Again, that's like some motor oil that fixes your broken
> fan belt or timing problems.

If you like playing with 'cure' as a definition, coconut oil
cures aids. This sounds sarcastic, why do you think this?

> > This _is_ simply true, where's the cures? Or have you
> > not noticed there
aint
> > none?
>
> COMMENT: We've mentioned many. Many infections, cancers,
> acne, and acute inflammatory problems like vasculitis can
> all be cured by a single course of the proper drug. Also
> certain pathological clots. The similie of plugged fuel
> injectors is better than I thought.

Specifically, what about the main killers cancer/heart
disease?

> > Aspirin for heart attacks bawahahahahaha! There's other
> > better supplements with less side effects and risks, for
> > instance a glass of fresh orange juice a day or a few g
> > of vitamin c.
>
> COMMENT: There's no evidence that a glass of fresh orange
> juice a day does squat for heart disease. Abstract
> appended.

Not heart disease, heart attacks. http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag99/may99-
report3.html IMO acorbate and lysine (amongst other things)
prevent and treat atherosclerosis, and I will stick to this
belief until the truth comes out.

> > > Have you ever heard of relative risk. Might it not be
> > > worth raising
your
> > > risk of cancer by 0.5% to reduce your risk of heart
> > > attack by 35%?
> >
> > Or in the case of vitamin c, reduce your risk of heart
> > disease by 100%?
> >
> > If you take typically vitamin c, and assume that it
> > prevents heart
disease
> > by 100%, then what you have is a market for vitamin c.
>
> COMMENT:
>
> But there's no reason to think vitamin C reduces heart
> disease by anything like 100%. There are no long term
> prospective randomized studies, but we can get some idea
> of vitamin C's effect from large epidemiological studies.
> In the nurse's health study, when they controlled for the
> effects of other variables like smoking, age, etc, the
> effect of DIETARY vitamin C in the diet on heart disease
> *couldn't even be seen.* Statistically it didn't make
> significance, even with 85,000 women, 1.2 million person-
> years, and more than a thousand cases of coronary disease
> diagnosed. So much for orange juice.

There is, Rath showed using animals that atherosclerosis
was prevented using the proper nutrients (namerly ascorbate
lysine). There's also numerous published anecdotes showing
natural reversal of athersclerosis using similar protocols
way back to the 50's as I recall. There's also a study
which is in the process of being published showing 800%-
1500% reduction in plaque for those taking the mega dose
vitamin c protocol.

> When they compared women who took C and/or multivitamin
> supplements to those who didn't, the supplement users had
> a heart disease risk of about 72% of the non-users
> (statistical range 61% to 86%). So at most there's
> evidence supplements reduce heart disease by less than
> 30%. We don't know if it's the vitamin C alone, since they
> didn't break out only vitamin C users who didn't take
> multivitamins. And can't be sure of any of this until a
> prospective randomized study is done.

Dose dependant studies.

> After all, women who care enough about their health to use
> supplements may be different in many other ways from women
> who don't. You can't control for all of them.

Yup agreed. Anth
 
[email protected] (Carole) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (Steve Harris
> [email protected]) wrote in message
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> > COMMENT:
> >
> > Indeed. Simple expansion of the population means an
> > expanding pharamaceutical market, even at the same level
> > of disease.
> >
> > The subtext here is that John is assuming that with
> > proper herbs and nutrition the human body is ageless and
> > immortal. Not to say impervious to trauma, injury, and
> > self-poisoning. Otherwise, of course, you're guaranteed
> > plenty of medical problems which require pharmaceutical
> > treatments.
>
> No, you got it wrong as usual. People these days don't
> really know what good health is and the reason is, they
> either live in countries where they can't get an adequate
> diet, or they live in western society where they eat
> devitalised, acid forming diets.

Nutritional information is easy to find. You've presented
the claims you've written above before, with nothing in the
way of evidence to support them.

> If a person is really healthy they aren't prone to all the
> degenerative disease which require pharmaceutical
> products.

You are ignoring genetics & the role they play in disease.
Simple aging also plays a part in the development of many
degenerative disorders. Osteoarthritis is common in joints
-- a simple wearing out. It can be slowed down with
different treatments, but not completely stopped if the use
continues. It can be aggravated by factors like traumatic
injuries over the course of one's lifetime, repetitive
stress, being overweight, etc. Macular degeneration is a
problem usually found in older people -- healthy or not.
Cataracts -- whether developed from overexposure to the sun
or not -- are found in healthy people. Alzheimer's Is yet
another "equal opportunity" degenerative disease.

> > > > A key strategy to accomplish this goal is the
> > > > development of drugs that merely mask symptoms while
> > > > avoiding the curing or elimination of diseases. This
> > > > explains why most prescription drugs marketed today
> > > > have no proven efficacy and merely target symptoms.
> > >
> > > This is simply not true, though it is a popular
> > > fantasy of paranoid medicine bashers.
>
> For an analytical thinking person like yourself, I find it
> curious that you swallow the orthodox brand of medicine
> without querying its foundations, and examing
> contradictions.

If a disorder has no cure yet -- alt. or conventional --
what sadist would deny those with the problem relief of its
s/s??? Alternative health care has no "answers" for many
health problems, so people should just suffer???? Remember
that some day when YOU suffer from something other than lice
& dusty house. If YOUR eyesight narrows down to a small
tunnel, suffer -- okay? If any health problem diminishes
YOUR quality of life, just grit your teeth & accept it ---
okay? Easy to say until YOU have a real problem.......

> > COMMENT:
> >
> > It is indeed a curious argument, as it assumes that
> > there exist drugs which cure diseases which are being
> > suppressed. But that would require everybody be in on
> > the conspiracy when it came to (say) high blood
> > pressure, but that somehow the pharm cartel geeked on
> > monopoly when it came to acne, leukemia, and infection.
> > Say what? How does that work, John? And when you're
> > done, perhaps you can explain the expansion of the
> > veterinary pharm industry right along side the human
> > one. You think maybe Nestle/Purina has a deal to slip
> > disease-causing stuff into dog or cat food so that
> > (say) Abbott or Baxter or Ft. Dodge can make a buck
> > treating them?
>
> No everybody isn't in on the conspiracy. It is a top down
> conspiracy where only those at the top are purposely going
> against the best interests of health. The rest are just
> fitting into the system, protecting their jobs, trying to
> build some status within an industry, doing what they've
> been trained to do since they were kids.

"Trained to do since they were kids"??? As if researchers &
scientists were brought up differently than other people!
And your contention that the people who stand to make the
biggest bonuses & gain the most from the discovery of any
wonder drug would suppress it is just as outlandish. Pharm
companies have stockholders -- & the goals of the executives
of these companies include making these stockholders money.
Effective meds = big bucks. Your theory of those at the top
being "against the best interest of health" ignores that.

> However, there comes a point where all the
> dissenting voices have to be listened to and their
> arguments examined.

They are -- regularly.

> > > > Another key strategy to expand pharmaceutical
> > > > markets is to cause new diseases with drugs. While
> > > > merely masking symptoms short term, most of the
> > > > prescription drugs taken by millions of patients
> > > > today cause a multitude of new diseases as a result
> > > > of their known long-term side effects. For example,
> > > > all cholesterol-lowering drugs currently on the
> > > > market are known to increase the risk of developing
> > > > cancer - but only after the patient has been taking
> > > > the drug for several years.
> > >
> > > Have you ever heard of relative risk. Might it not be
> > > worth raising your risk of cancer by 0.5% to reduce
> > > your risk of heart attack by 35%?
> >
> >
> > Comment:
> >
> > Don't play up to John's lies. No controlled study of any
> > statin drug, including those running 5 years or more,
> > has shown any increase in cancer. There is not reason to
> > imagine that statin-caused hepatoma in rodents applies
> > to people. Everything causes hepatoma in rodents.
> >
> > > > 8 The known deadly side effects of prescription
> > > > drugs are the fourth leading cause of death in the
> > > > industrialized world, surpassed only by the number
> > > > of deaths from heart attacks, cancer and strokes
> > > > (Journal of the American Medical Association, April
> > > > 15, 1998).
> >
> > COMMENT The "factoid" has been repeatedly debunked on
> > this forum. It simply isn't true.
>
> Steve, denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

Knowledge of the real facts isn't denial, Carole. Your not
knowing the facts woudl be the denial......

> > > This fact is no
> > > > surprise either, because drug patents are primarily
> > > > issued for new synthetic molecules. All synthetic
> > > > molecules need to be detoxified and eliminated from
> > > > the body, a system that frequently fails and results
> > > > in an epidemic of severe and deadly side effects.
> > >
> > > "Natural" molecules are no different from synthetic
> > > molecules. Your body does not care, for example,
> > > whether a molecule of acetylsalicytic acid came from
> > > that aspirin or from the bark of a white willow tree.
> >
> > COMMENT Since there are no all-natural vitamin C
> > supplement pills on the market, one wonders whether John
> > takes a multivitamin.\
>
> Splitting hairs, hmmm? Always a useful strategy when you
> know you've lost the argument.

You obviously didn't understand the point about natural vs.
synthetic molecules -- otherwise you wouldn't have made such
a silly comment......
>
> > > > 11 Vitamins and other effective natural health
> > > > therapies that optimize cellular metabolism threaten
> > > > the pharmaceutical "business with disease" because
> > > > they target the cellular cause of today's most
> > > > common diseases - and these natural substances
> > > > cannot be patented.
> > >
> > > The processes to manufacture vitamins can be patented,
> > > and the brand names for combinations of them can be
> > > registered as trademarks. Most vitamin products are
> > > manufactured and sold profitably by the pharm giants.
> > > Even the products of the smaller "natural supplement"
> > > companies are mostly manufactured and packaged under
> > > contract by the larger pharmaceutical companies.
> >
> > COMMENT: Yes, last I checked the vitamin industry was
> > mega-big business. They've done quite well considering
> > that the pharm cartel is supposedly trying to put them
> > out of business. In some cases the businesses are the
> > same, as you say, but not always. For example, most
> > vitamin E is make by ADM and Cargil. Hoffman LaRoche is
> > now out of that business. The hilarious thing is that
> > this is due to just what John was complaining about in
> > the pharm industry-- a cartel of vitamin manufacturers
> > setting artificially high prices for vitamins. But it
> > didn't last.
> >
> > John probably thinks the vitamin E in his supplements is
> > lovingly extracted from nuts by Keebler Elves in a tree.
> > But if he really knew where it came from and how it got
> > there, I'm sure he'd be shocked.
>
> Whether the nutritional products are produced in a lab
> isn't the point.

Umm, yes that WAS the point. These supplements & nutrition
products are big money for the big pharm. companies. Your
ideas of so-called "conspiracies" that rely on the idea that
supplements are suppressed because they can't make companies
money like pharmaceuticals do are easy to prove wrong. "They
can't be patented" is a non-issue. Patents don't last
forever, Carole. And the prices of many of these products
make them very profitable, expecially in light of the fact
that research & development involved with putting the stuff
on the market may be very limited. There aren't the same
requirements to be met WRT the FDA.

> The main thing is, do they work? And what the pharm mob
> don't like, is people resorting to nutritional products -
> because they can't be patented.

Pharm. companies are quite comfortable making a buck off
these products.

> BTW have you looked at Boyd E. Graves, an attorney and a
> graduate from the Naval Academy in Annapolis' website,
> where he claims "AIDS is ethnic weapon developed in the
> U.S." He has a patent number for the creation of the
> virus, and another patent number for the one off cure.
> http://www.boydgraves.com

Anyone can patent anything. There are patents for some of
the most ridiculous products imagineable. And anyone who
patented HIV ranks right up there with somebody who'd patent
boogers. There are kooks out there, Carole. Graves is one of
them......
>
> A bit different from your in depth research where you
> claimed AIDS come out of the environment. Just remember
> Steve, its not how much research you do, but whether it is
> truly unbiased. Unfortunately, something that can't be
> said about yours.

Your belief in every goof who tells a tale of conspiracies
that don't stand up to any logical scrutiny doesn't qualify
as any sort of research. It speaks volumes about your
gullibility. Keep looking for plots under rocks,
Carole......
 
"Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> > THE PHARMACEUTICAL DRUG RACKET
> > http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/online/research/drug.html
> >
> > Ruesch cited Morris Bealle who wrote that the FDA "is
> > used primarily for the perversion of justice by
> > cracking down on all who endanger the profits of the
> > Drug Trust". (68)
>
> And I can cite John and yourself who wrote some many
> stupid things. The FDA is far from perfect. And so are
> drug companies.
>
> Please provide an alternate model that works as well.
>
> Jeff

I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to work out an alternative
model. It would happen all by itself is conventional
medicine stopped suppressing innovation and stopped thinking
of health as just a means to make money.

Why don't you have an honest, unbiased think about it and
decide whether it has the interests of people's health at
heart as its primary objective. And something to bear in
mind is that preventive health is better than waiting until
a person has a degenerative disease i.e., an ounce of
prevention beats a pound of cure.

Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm
 
"Rich Andrews." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (Carole) wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
> > BTW have you looked at Boyd E. Graves, an attorney and a
> > graduate from the Naval Academy in Annapolis' website,
> > where he claims "AIDS is ethnic weapon developed in the
> > U.S." He has a patent number for the creation of the
> > virus, and another patent number for the one off cure.
> > http://www.boydgraves.com
> >
> > http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm
>
> Before anyone gets the idea that hubbca has a clue, I
> suggest you read her conspiracy web pages. The articles
> claiming that the earth is hollow, critters from space are
> visiting, etc, etc should be proof enought that you are
> reading the rants of a kook.

I sympathise with your dilemma. When I first heard idea the
earth was hollow I thought the person had lost the plot and
was certifiable. However, after reading some of the hollow
earth stories, especially by Jan Lepracht (sp?) and
realising the the depths of deception the public are
subjected to, I would say there is a distinct possibility
the earth is hollow. How do we know its not? Because its
taught in textbooks that its full of molten lava? Would you
believe that education is designed to socialise rather than
educate. http://www.disinfo.com/pages/other/id2118/pg1/

and

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1041.html  Karl Marx first
proposed national Public Education as a means to fully
indoctrinate children into the values of Communism. And, in
his segment as to how to move a nation not currently
Communist into Communism, Marx proposed the first step of a
national Public Education! However, in America, we are not
preparing our children to be good slaves in the Communist
system; rather, we are preparing them to be good slaves in
the coming Fascist system of the New World Order.

Getting back to the hollow earth theory, how do you know
what's there
- ever been there? Its only a theory that the earth has
molten lava at the centre. You'd be surprised just how
duped we people are by the controllers of this planet.

Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
 
[email protected] (Steve Harris [email protected]) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> COMMENT:
>
> Boyd Graves appears to have some problems with paranoid
> delusions. You can usually tell nutcases by how much
> they go on and on about continuing holocausts involving
> their own ethnicity. For example see Jai Maharaj and his
> "Hindu Holocaust Museum." Or Jack Ruby, who at the end
> of his life, was convinced that Jews were being gased
> just below his jailcell, where he was being held, a few
> blocks from Dealy Plaza in Dallas. And the dentist
> Leonard Horowitz who is convined the AIDS virus is a
> construct made by chemical companies which were formerly
> members of the Nazi German chemical cartel IG
> Farbenindustrie. And then of course there is Graves, who
> is black and has given an amplified version of
> Horowitz's theory in talks on the "African American
> Holocaust." Are you sensing the general drift?

I bet you've got a good bedside manner with patients? You
sound so reassuring that everything is right with the world
and that the only problem is crackpots and loonies. But you
don't actually prove your case, just show how much room
there is for doubt that the worst is not the case.

However, there is simply too much **** going on to believe
all is well with the world. For example, did you know the
fed is privately owned and that inflation, depressions and
world wars are deliberately planned as they make big money
for certain interests, not to mention they are part of an
overall plan for world domination. But getting back to
health matters, read the following:

The Tuskegee syphilis experiment http://www.npr.org/program-
s/morning/features/2002/jul/tuskegee/index.html

and A history of US secret human experimentation 3-25-3
http://www.healthnewsnet.com/humanexperiments.html

and let's see you fit that into the context of a perfectly
normal world where everything is above board and all
perfectly explainable as mistakes or errors, or we know
better now or whatever.

A lot of people just can't face the possibility that we live
in a totally artificial manufactured world, where society is
manipulated by spin and propaganda towards a future not of
our making, but over which we seem to have no control. Why
is innovation stifled, why are so many discoveries
suppressed in the name of "national security"? What exactly
is "national security" and why are records sealed for so
long and things kept from the public?

A person is perfectly within their rights to believe we are
being fed garbage by the powers that be. Indeed, it takes
somebody with an ostrich syndrome to think otherwise.

Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
 
[email protected] (Michele) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (Carole) wrote in message
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> > [email protected] (Steve Harris
> > [email protected]) wrote in message news:<79cf-
> > [email protected]>...
>
> > > COMMENT:
> > >
> > > Indeed. Simple expansion of the population means an
> > > expanding pharamaceutical market, even at the same
> > > level of disease.
> > >
> > > The subtext here is that John is assuming that with
> > > proper herbs and nutrition the human body is ageless
> > > and immortal. Not to say impervious to trauma, injury,
> > > and self-poisoning. Otherwise, of course, you're
> > > guaranteed plenty of medical problems which require
> > > pharmaceutical treatments.
> >
> > No, you got it wrong as usual. People these days don't
> > really know what good health is and the reason is, they
> > either live in countries where they can't get an
> > adequate diet, or they live in western society where
> > they eat devitalised, acid forming diets.
>
> Nutritional information is easy to find. You've presented
> the claims you've written above before, with nothing in
> the way of evidence to support them.

A lot of nutritional information is contradictory,
overlooked and some is just downright hard to find. How do
you think I found out about cellsalts? Did the doctor tell
me? No, it was a slow learning process, and the knowledge
about latent blood acidosis is really hard to find, and it
relies on proper nutrition to get it right.

> > If a person is really healthy they aren't prone to all
> > the degenerative disease which require pharmaceutical
> > products.
>
> You are ignoring genetics & the role they play in disease.
> Simple aging also plays a part in the development of many
> degenerative disorders. Osteoarthritis is common in joints
> -- a simple wearing out. It can be slowed down with
> different treatments, but not completely stopped if the
> use continues. It can be aggravated by factors like
> traumatic injuries over the course of one's lifetime,
> repetitive stress, being overweight, etc. Macular
> degeneration is a problem usually found in older people --
> healthy or not. Cataracts -- whether developed from
> overexposure to the sun or not -- are found in healthy
> people. Alzheimer's Is yet another "equal opportunity"
> degenerative disease.

Yes genetics does play a large part in a person's overall
health, and other attributes like personality and so on.
Some people are more rugged and others more delicate
healthwise. Like some plants will grow anywhere and others
need careful nurturing.

> > For an analytical thinking person like yourself, I find
> > it curious that you swallow the orthodox brand of
> > medicine without querying its foundations, and examing
> > contradictions.
>
> If a disorder has no cure yet -- alt. or conventional --
> what sadist would deny those with the problem relief of
> its s/s???

Yes but cures have been discovered for probably all diseases
and they have been suppressed e.g., ESSIAC.

> Alternative health care has no "answers" for many health
> problems, so people should just suffer???? Remember that
> some day when YOU suffer from something other than lice &
> dusty house. If YOUR eyesight narrows down to a small
> tunnel, suffer -- okay? If any health problem diminishes
> YOUR quality of life, just grit your teeth & accept it ---
> okay? Easy to say until YOU have a real problem.......

Ever heard of cellular toxemia? Do you know what it means?
Alternative health does have solutions for health problems
but unfortunately a lot of innovation is stifled and
suppressed, and I'm not talking about Hulda Clarke and her
zapper. Maybe it works, although I can't see how a zapper
can treat cellular toxemia.

> > > COMMENT:
> > >
> > > It is indeed a curious argument, as it assumes that
> > > there exist drugs which cure diseases which are being
> > > suppressed. But that would require everybody be in on
> > > the conspiracy when it came to (say) high blood
> > > pressure, but that somehow the pharm cartel geeked on
> > > monopoly when it came to acne, leukemia, and
> > > infection. Say what? How does that work, John? And
> > > when you're done, perhaps you can explain the
> > > expansion of the veterinary pharm industry right along
> > > side the human one. You think maybe Nestle/Purina has
> > > a deal to slip disease-causing stuff into dog or cat
> > > food so that (say) Abbott or Baxter or Ft. Dodge can
> > > make a buck treating them?
> >
> > No everybody isn't in on the conspiracy. It is a top
> > down conspiracy where only those at the top are
> > purposely going against the best interests of health.
> > The rest are just fitting into the system, protecting
> > their jobs, trying to build some status within an
> > industry, doing what they've been trained to do since
> > they were kids.
>
> "Trained to do since they were kids"??? As if
> researchers & scientists were brought up differently
> than other people!

Children are socialised to fit into the system, get the work
ethic, get a good education, buy a house, fit in, get along
with people, don't rock the boat, obey the law. Yet we
aren't taught much about the money system how it works,
about constitutional law, the independent press is owned by
the illuminati, and carl marx was the first person who
advocated national education to socialise the children into
the ways of communism.

> And your contention that the people who stand to make the
> biggest bonuses & gain the most from the discovery of any
> wonder drug would suppress it is just as outlandish. Pharm
> companies have stockholders -- & the goals of the
> executives of these companies include making these
> stockholders money. Effective meds = big bucks. Your
> theory of those at the top being "against the best
> interest of health" ignores that.

I don't ignore it, just don't believe it.

> > However, there comes a point where all the
> > dissenting voices have to be listened to and their
> > arguments examined.
>
> They are -- regularly.

And there comes a point, where the evidence is overwhelming
which results in a paradigm shift.

> > Steve, denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
>
> Knowledge of the real facts isn't denial, Carole. Your not
> knowing the facts woudl be the denial......

I know the real facts. The press isn't independent,
innovation is stifled, ethics has its price, and we are
being lied to on a huge scale about every facet of our
lives. Pick a topic and there is a conspiracy behind it -
health, education, science, ufos, war is peace, you name it.

> > > > This fact is no
> > > > > surprise either, because drug patents are
> > > > > primarily issued for new synthetic molecules. All
> > > > > synthetic molecules need to be detoxified and
> > > > > eliminated from the body, a system that frequently
> > > > > fails and results in an epidemic of severe and
> > > > > deadly side effects.
> > > >
> > > > "Natural" molecules are no different from synthetic
> > > > molecules. Your body does not care, for example,
> > > > whether a molecule of acetylsalicytic acid came from
> > > > that aspirin or from the bark of a white willow
> > > > tree.
> > >
> > > COMMENT Since there are no all-natural vitamin C
> > > supplement pills on the market, one wonders whether
> > > John takes a multivitamin.\
> >
> > Splitting hairs, hmmm? Always a useful strategy when you
> > know you've lost the argument.
>
> You obviously didn't understand the point about natural
> vs. synthetic molecules -- otherwise you wouldn't have
> made such a silly comment......

You tell me the difference between natural and synthetic
vitamin C.

> > > > > 11 Vitamins and other effective natural health
> > > > > therapies that optimize cellular metabolism
> > > > > threaten the pharmaceutical "business with
> > > > > disease" because they target the cellular cause of
> > > > > today's most common diseases - and these natural
> > > > > substances cannot be patented.
> > > >
> > > > The processes to manufacture vitamins can be
> > > > patented, and the brand names for combinations of
> > > > them can be registered as trademarks. Most vitamin
> > > > products are manufactured and sold profitably by the
> > > > pharm giants. Even the products of the smaller
> > > > "natural supplement" companies are mostly
> > > > manufactured and packaged under contract by the
> > > > larger pharmaceutical companies.
> > >
> > > COMMENT: Yes, last I checked the vitamin industry was
> > > mega-big business. They've done quite well considering
> > > that the pharm cartel is supposedly trying to put them
> > > out of business. In some cases the businesses are the
> > > same, as you say, but not always. For example, most
> > > vitamin E is make by ADM and Cargil. Hoffman LaRoche
> > > is now out of that business. The hilarious thing is
> > > that this is due to just what John was complaining
> > > about in the pharm industry-- a cartel of vitamin
> > > manufacturers setting artificially high prices for
> > > vitamins. But it didn't last.
> > >
> > > John probably thinks the vitamin E in his supplements
> > > is lovingly extracted from nuts by Keebler Elves in a
> > > tree. But if he really knew where it came from and how
> > > it got there, I'm sure he'd be shocked.
> >
> > Whether the nutritional products are produced in a lab
> > isn't the point.
>
> Umm, yes that WAS the point. These supplements & nutrition
> products are big money for the big pharm. companies.

Are we talking about cartels fixing the prices of vitamins
artifically?

> Your ideas of so-called "conspiracies" that rely on the
> idea that supplements are suppressed because they can't
> make companies money like pharmaceuticals do are easy to
> prove wrong. "They can't be patented" is a non-issue.
> Patents don't last forever, Carole. And the prices of many
> of these products make them very profitable, expecially in
> light of the fact that research & development involved
> with putting the stuff on the market may be very limited.
> There aren't the same requirements to be met WRT the FDA.
>
> > The main thing is, do they work? And what the pharm mob
> > don't like, is people resorting to nutritional products
> > - because they can't be patented.
>
> Pharm. companies are quite comfortable making a buck off
> these products.
>
> > BTW have you looked at Boyd E. Graves, an attorney and a
> > graduate from the Naval Academy in Annapolis' website,
> > where he claims "AIDS is ethnic weapon developed in the
> > U.S." He has a patent number for the creation of the
> > virus, and another patent number for the one off cure.
> > http://www.boydgraves.com
>
> Anyone can patent anything. There are patents for some of
> the most ridiculous products imagineable. And anyone who
> patented HIV ranks right up there with somebody who'd
> patent boogers. There are kooks out there, Carole. Graves
> is one of them......

Maybe, maybe not. He claims to have taken a one off cure
about 3 years ago and his blood is normal now, no sign of
the disease. Reckons he's going to take the cure to Africa.

> > A bit different from your in depth research where you
> > claimed AIDS come out of the environment. Just remember
> > Steve, its not how much research you do, but whether it
> > is truly unbiased. Unfortunately, something that can't
> > be said about yours.
>
> Your belief in every goof who tells a tale of conspiracies
> that don't stand up to any logical scrutiny doesn't
> qualify as any sort of research. It speaks volumes about
> your gullibility. Keep looking for plots under rocks,
> Carole......

I don't believe every theory that comes along. First I see
how they contradict what I already know, and in what way
they contradict. And don't talk to me about logical
scrutiny, you wouldn't know the meaning of the word. You
just go along with the system because there's safety in
numbers and accept the commonly held view because its safe
and you like to be on the winning side.

Keep hiding your head in the sand Michele and pretend
everything is ok. But have you ever thought about the
purpose for all those manned compounds and boxcars.

Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
 
[email protected] (Carole) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> "Rich Andrews." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:
<[email protected]>...
>> [email protected] (Carole) wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>> > BTW have you looked at Boyd E. Graves, an attorney and
>> > a graduate
from
>> > the Naval Academy in Annapolis' website, where he
>> > claims "AIDS is ethnic weapon developed in the U.S." He
>> > has a patent number for the creation of the virus, and
>> > another patent number for the one off
cure.
>> > http://www.boydgraves.com
>> >
>> > http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm
>>
>> Before anyone gets the idea that hubbca has a clue, I
>> suggest you read
her
>> conspiracy web pages. The articles claiming that the
>> earth is hollow, critters from space are visiting, etc,
>> etc should be proof enought that you are reading the
>> rants of a kook.
>
> I sympathise with your dilemma. When I first heard idea
> the earth was hollow I thought the person had lost the
> plot and was certifiable. However, after reading some of
> the hollow earth stories, especially by Jan Lepracht (sp?)
> and realising the the depths of deception the public are
> subjected to, I would say there is a distinct possibility
> the earth is hollow. How do we know its not? Because its
> taught in textbooks that its full of molten lava? Would
> you believe that education is designed to socialise rather
> than educate.
> http://www.disinfo.com/pages/other/id2118/pg1/
>
> and
>
> http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1041.html  Karl Marx
> first proposed national Public Education as a means to
> fully indoctrinate children into the values of Communism.
> And, in his segment as to how to move a nation not
> currently Communist into Communism, Marx proposed the
> first step of a national Public Education! However, in
> America, we are not preparing our children to be good
> slaves in the Communist system; rather, we are preparing
> them to be good slaves in the coming Fascist system of the
> New World Order.
>
> Getting back to the hollow earth theory, how do you know
> what's there
> - ever been there? Its only a theory that the earth has
> molten lava at the centre. You'd be surprised just how
> duped we people are by the controllers of this planet.
>
> Carole
> http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
>

You insist on proving your stupidity every time you post and
your prior posting is no exception.

r

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with
DLT tapes.
 
Do you have any idea what would be consequences of the earth
being hollow?

If the earth is hollow, then the mass of the earth would be
much less.

Then the calculations, of Newton and others, concerning
the movements of the planetary objects around the sun
would be wrong.

The the predictions as to the movements of these planetary
objects would be wrong.

Wait as sec.

The predictions are not wrong, using the mass of the earth,
calculated using a solid earth, of interplanetary objects
are correct.

Therefore, if these observations and predictions are
correct, then the mass of the earth, assuming it is solid
is correct.

Therefore, the earth does not have a hollow core.

Therefore, it is possible that you are full of ****.

j.

Can you refute this? After all it is possible in view of
your postings on this group.

k.

Carole wrote:
> "Rich Andrews." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<X-
> [email protected]>...
>
>>[email protected] (Carole) wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>>
>>>BTW have you looked at Boyd E. Graves, an attorney and a
>>>graduate from the Naval Academy in Annapolis' website,
>>>where he claims "AIDS is ethnic weapon developed in the
>>>U.S." He has a patent number for the creation of the
>>>virus, and another patent number for the one off cure.
>>>http://www.boydgraves.com
>>>
>>>http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm
>>
>>Before anyone gets the idea that hubbca has a clue, I
>>suggest you read her conspiracy web pages. The articles
>>claiming that the earth is hollow, critters from space are
>>visiting, etc, etc should be proof enought that you are
>>reading the rants of a kook.
>
>
> I sympathise with your dilemma. When I first heard idea
> the earth was hollow I thought the person had lost the
> plot and was certifiable. However, after reading some of
> the hollow earth stories, especially by Jan Lepracht (sp?)
> and realising the the depths of deception the public are
> subjected to, I would say there is a distinct possibility
> the earth is hollow. How do we know its not? Because its
> taught in textbooks that its full of molten lava? Would
> you believe that education is designed to socialise rather
> than educate.
> http://www.disinfo.com/pages/other/id2118/pg1/
>
> and
>
> http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1041.html Karl Marx
> first proposed national Public Education as a means to
> fully indoctrinate children into the values of Communism.
> And, in his segment as to how to move a nation not
> currently Communist into Communism, Marx proposed the
> first step of a national Public Education! However, in
> America, we are not preparing our children to be good
> slaves in the Communist system; rather, we are preparing
> them to be good slaves in the coming Fascist system of
> the New World Order.
>
> Getting back to the hollow earth theory, how do you know
> what's there
> - ever been there? Its only a theory that the earth has
> molten lava at the centre. You'd be surprised just how
> duped we people are by the controllers of this planet.
>
> Carole
> http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
 
Carole's problem i sthat she spells "head" E A R T H amd
refers to her own.

"Say not the Struggle nought Availeth" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Do you have any idea what would be consequences of the
> earth being hollow?
>
> If the earth is hollow, then the mass of the earth would
> be much less.
>
> Then the calculations, of Newton and others, concerning
> the movements of the planetary objects around the sun
> would be wrong.
>
> The the predictions as to the movements of these planetary
> objects would be wrong.
>
> Wait as sec.
>
> The predictions are not wrong, using the mass of the
> earth, calculated using a solid earth, of interplanetary
> objects are correct.
>
> Therefore, if these observations and predictions are
> correct, then the mass of the earth, assuming it is solid
> is correct.
>
> Therefore, the earth does not have a hollow core.
>
> Therefore, it is possible that you are full of ****.
>
> j.
>
> Can you refute this? After all it is possible in view of
> your postings on this group.
>
> J.
>
>
> Carole wrote:
> > "Rich Andrews." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> >
> >>[email protected] (Carole) wrote in
> >>news:[email protected]:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>BTW have you looked at Boyd E. Graves, an attorney and
> >>>a graduate from the Naval Academy in Annapolis'
> >>>website, where he claims "AIDS is ethnic weapon
> >>>developed in the U.S." He has a patent number for the
> >>>creation of the virus, and another patent number for
> >>>the one off cure. http://www.boydgraves.com
> >>>
> >>>http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm
> >>
> >>Before anyone gets the idea that hubbca has a clue, I
> >>suggest you read
her
> >>conspiracy web pages. The articles claiming that the
> >>earth is hollow, critters from space are visiting, etc,
> >>etc should be proof enought that you are reading the
> >>rants of a kook.
> >
> >
> > I sympathise with your dilemma. When I first heard idea
> > the earth was hollow I thought the person had lost the
> > plot and was certifiable. However, after reading some of
> > the hollow earth stories, especially by Jan Lepracht
> > (sp?) and realising the the depths of deception the
> > public are subjected to, I would say there is a distinct
> > possibility the earth is hollow. How do we know its not?
> > Because its taught in textbooks that its full of molten
> > lava? Would you believe that education is designed to
> > socialise rather than educate.
> > http://www.disinfo.com/pages/other/id2118/pg1/
> >
> > and
> >
> > http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1041.html Karl Marx
> > first proposed national Public Education as a means to
> > fully indoctrinate children into the values of
> > Communism. And, in his segment as to how to move a
> > nation not currently Communist into Communism, Marx
> > proposed the first step of a national Public Education!
> > However, in America, we are not preparing our children
> > to be good slaves in the Communist system; rather, we
> > are preparing them to be good slaves in the coming
> > Fascist system of the New World Order.
> >
> > Getting back to the hollow earth theory, how do you know
> > what's there
> > - ever been there? Its only a theory that the earth has
> > molten lava at the centre. You'd be surprised just how
> > duped we people are by the controllers of this planet.
> >
> > Carole
> > http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
 
Say not the Struggle nought Availeth <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Do you have any idea what would be consequences of the
> earth being hollow?
>
> If the earth is hollow, then the mass of the earth would
> be much less.

Not if if the shell was built of something very dense.

> Then the calculations, of Newton and others, concerning
> the movements of the planetary objects around the sun
> would be wrong.

No. Newton goes only the mass of the Earth, and from this
and the size, also the AVERAGE density. But you can get to
that average density any way you like, so long as the
result is radially uniform. Even with a hollow Earth that
has metal walls.

The real reason the Earth can't be hollow is that no
possible material could stand the wall stress/tension that
would result from that much weight. Cracks would form and
the thing would implode like a submarine that went too deep.

Nor is there any use in positing super strong materials,
since we know there's a limit to how stong materials can be,
and it's only about 100 times as strong as most materials we
know, which isn't nearly enough for such a job. The limit is
set by the strength of chemical bonds. Which in turn cannot
exceed a certain energy, unless you change all the laws of
quantum mechanics. Saying "Maybe there's some stuff strong
enough to build hollow Earth sized planets of density 6
g/cm^3" is like saying "Maybe there's some stuff which won't
melt even at 1 million degrees." Yeah, sure. Let's see some.

SBH
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Carole <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:<[email protected]>...
>
>> > THE PHARMACEUTICAL DRUG RACKET
>> > http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/online/research/drug.html
>> >
>> > Ruesch cited Morris Bealle who wrote that the FDA "is
>> > used primarily for the perversion of justice by
>> > cracking down on all who endanger the profits of the
>> > Drug Trust". (68)
>>
>> And I can cite John and yourself who wrote some many
>> stupid things. The FDA is far from perfect. And so are
>> drug companies.
>>
>> Please provide an alternate model that works as well.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to work out an alternative
>model. It would happen all by itself is conventional
>medicine stopped suppressing innovation and stopped
>thinking of health as just a means to make money.

As you make your usual unwarranted assumptions about the
motivations of others. Naturally, you ascribe the basest of
motives to doctors.

Is this because you weren't bright enough to get into
medical school?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
 
Wouldn't it be more fair to treat both mainstream
pharmaceuticals and alternative, natural, etc.
supplements the same?

Shouldn't we regulate them both exactly the same way,
applying the same standards of effectiveness and
safety to each?

Either the supplements should be required to meet the same
degree of evidence for safety and effectiveness that drugs
do, or the requirements for drugs should be reduced to those
of supplements (none).

What would happen to the relative profits of the two
industries in those two scenarios?
 
"TimR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Wouldn't it be more fair to treat both mainstream
> pharmaceuticals and alternative, natural, etc. supplements
> the same?

YES! A single standard where anyone making a health related
claim would have to prove safety and efficacy. However, the
Suppies do nit like this idea as it is bad for business.

> Shouldn't we regulate them both exactly the same way,
> applying the same standards of effectiveness and safety
> to each?

Yessir!

> Either the supplements should be required to meet the same
> degree of evidence for safety and effectiveness that drugs
> do, or the requirements for drugs should be reduced to
> those of supplements (none).

Tastes good! should be the only claim allowed.

> What would happen to the relative profits of the two
> industries in those two scenarios?

The pharmaceuticals would have no problem, as they are
currently meeting that standard. The supplements will
falter, as they will have to cut into their astronomical
profit margins since they are not now paying the big $$ for
R&D and trials.
 
On March 18, 2004, Mark Probert replied:

> The pharmaceuticals would have no problem, as they are
> currently meeting that standard. The supplements will
> falter, as they will have to cut into their astronomical
> profit margins since they are not now paying the big $$
> for R&D and trials.

If the many independent marketers of herbs et al were seen
as one industry, this nutraceutical industry may have less
trouble with safety and efficacy trials than it would with
getting its products fit into the various regulatory
frameworks overseeing pharmaceutical industries. But, I
guess that falls under "development."

Still, it might be worth the herbalists' struggle, since
they may gain the ability to openly claim their goods'
therapeutic benefits and quite possibly discover new off-
label uses for industry favorites.

Wouldn't it be quaint to see an herbal supplement, once
marketed as somehow supportive of the circulatory system,
openly marketed as a beta blocker that also restores male
pattern hair loss?

@~
 
IMO no - thousands of companies would be put out of action
and the market would suffer. How would the consumer get
access to mega doses of vitamins and such? Anth

"TimR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Wouldn't it be more fair to treat both mainstream
> pharmaceuticals and alternative, natural, etc. supplements
> the same?
>
> Shouldn't we regulate them both exactly the same way,
> applying the same standards of effectiveness and safety
> to each?
>
> Either the supplements should be required to meet the same
> degree of evidence for safety and effectiveness that drugs
> do, or the requirements for drugs should be reduced to
> those of supplements (none).
>
> What would happen to the relative profits of the two
> industries in those two scenarios?
 
"Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> IMO no - thousands of companies would be put out of action
> and the market would suffer. How would the consumer get
> access to mega doses of vitamins and such?

Vitamins are not considered to be supplements for this
purpose. What is being considered are those concoctions and
brews from MannaDreck (dreck being a Yiddish word meaning
****) and companies of those ilk. They makes lots of claims,
and have nothing to back them up. Vitamins are already
looked at as esssential.

> Anth
>
> "TimR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Wouldn't it be more fair to treat both mainstream
> > pharmaceuticals and alternative, natural, etc.
> > supplements the same?
> >
> > Shouldn't we regulate them both exactly the same way,
> > applying the same standards of effectiveness and safety
> > to each?
> >
> > Either the supplements should be required to meet the
> > same degree of evidence for safety and effectiveness
> > that drugs do, or the requirements for drugs should be
> > reduced to those of supplements (none).
> >
> > What would happen to the relative profits of the two
> > industries in those two scenarios?
 
"AT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On March 18, 2004, Mark Probert replied:
>
> > The pharmaceuticals would have no problem, as they are
> > currently meeting that standard. The supplements will
> > falter, as they will have to cut
into
> > their astronomical profit margins since they are not now
> > paying the big
$$
> > for R&D and trials.
>
> If the many independent marketers of herbs et al were seen
> as one industry, this nutraceutical industry may have less
> trouble with safety and efficacy trials than it would with
> getting its products fit into the various regulatory
> frameworks overseeing pharmaceutical industries. But, I
> guess that falls under "development."
>
> Still, it might be worth the herbalists' struggle, since
> they may gain the ability to openly claim their goods'
> therapeutic benefits and quite possibly discover new off-
> label uses for industry favorites.

TV (watching a lot since it is March Madness) has
recently been flooded with ads for a weight loss mircale
cure which brags about its high price and the fact that
it is backed by two patents (which, IMNSHO is a form of
deceptive advertising). It would be much nicer if they
would say it was backed by FDA type clinical trials. They
could charge even more than the $153.00 (plus P&H) for a
one month supply.

> Wouldn't it be quaint to see an herbal supplement, once
> marketed as somehow supportive of the circulatory system,
> openly marketed as a beta blocker that also restores male
> pattern hair loss?

Well, aspirin sort of fits that, except for the hair
loss....
 
On March 19, 2004, Mark Probert wrote:

>TV (watching a lot since it is March Madness) has
>recently been
flooded with
>ads for a weight loss mircale cure which brags about its
>high price
and the
>fact that it is backed by two patents (which, IMNSHO is
>a form of
deceptive
>advertising).

Based on a fallacy that many if not most potential buyers
will fail to see (or see through), I agree; arguing that
people should buy a product because it is patented is
deceptive. However, is it illegal? Sadly, unless it violates
some statutory anti-competitive trade protection or rises to
the level of actual fraud, it is probably not illegal - just
ethically questionable.

If someone says that America should by their product because
the U.S. government has given them exclusive rights to make
and sell the product, we know nothing about the product.
But, people buy products about which they know nothing all
the time. Stupid is not against the law. Negligent is.

Marketers daily present all manner of spurious and deceptive
imagery to stimulate their target markets to buy, and unless
their tactics violate some statutory restriction, that's
business as usual. Caveat emptor; let the buyer beware. What
looks too good to be true generally is, but hey, you could
already be a winner.

You want to talk about deceptive advertising practices that
smack of fraud? Consider the example from U.S.
pharmaceuticals.

For example from recent television commercials:

A: I probably shouldn't take the OTC antacid without
seeing a doctor.
B: You just did (clearly insinuating B is a physician
advising use).

This is questionable on several grounds, but neither the
FTC, FCC, FDA, nor the AMA have made any discernable
individual or joint effort to censure it.

I guess since it's just an over-the-counter product, it
can't cause any serious harm - aside from masking the
symptoms of a serious disorder or causing a serious
disorder, e.g. anacidosis, all by itself. So, why worry?

And, even if we accept at face value that B is a physician
rather than an actor pretending to be kindly and supportive,
is he A's doctor, responsive to the patient's additional
educational needs or liable for his negligence?

Even more entertaining to me:

Announcer: Nobody knows for sure what causes this mental
illness, but people who take our product may not worry
about it anymore. {SUBTEXT: So, find the first person you
can with prescriptive authority, and whine for our
product by name.}

Again, there's no real, personalized deception going no
here. It's just another sales pitch - another sales pitch to
an emotionally imperiled and dependent audience who may be
triggered to act in response to undue influence.

Excuse the fact that practitioners given an opportunity to
evaluate a patient's condition objectively may be able to
deduce the actual nature of /that/ patient's particular
malfunction, e.g. the abusive drunken boyfriend and sub-
clinical polysubstance reliance. Naturally, if a drug can
help the sufferer adapt to an unmanagable lifestyle, that
solution may to be quicker and easier than expecting her and
everyone in the immediate vicinity to change. And, quick and
easy is what we're looking for. Right?

Naturally, nutraceutical hawkers are aware of these accepted
pharmaceutical marketing peccadillos, and many would love an
equal shot at a gullible market. Who wouldn't?

@~
 
"Mark Probert-March 19, 2004" <Mark [email protected]>
wrote:

>> Wouldn't it be quaint to see an herbal supplement, once
>> marketed as somehow supportive of the circulatory system,
>> openly marketed as a beta blocker that also restores male
>> pattern hair loss?
>
>Well, aspirin sort of fits that, except for the hair
>loss....

But, Mark, you must know that nobody sells aspirin any more
because it can't be patented. No big pharma company will
ever sell anything on which it does not hold an iron-clad
current patent. Next thing you will be telling me that these
people sell vitamins.

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