The world according to LeMond........

[kennf]

The really unlucky one was Bauer IMO. He gets over the top of the climb just behind Fignon, looks to be on a big ride, is going to get back on no problem...then punctures. Wouldn't that just **** you off?

Even worse was Bauer's '87 (? I could be off a year) World's, where he was in the brew-ha with Criquellion. Bauer had that race in the bag. Hell of a nice guy. Drank a Molson with him once.

 

[helmutRoole2]

Even worse was Bauer's '87 (? I could be off a year) World's, where he was in the brew-ha with Criquellion. Bauer had that race in the bag. Hell of a nice guy. Drank a Molson with him once.

Looking back, does anyone think that Alexi Grewal wasn't doped at the '84 Olympics?

I mean, when you compare the two careers and you consider the blood doping going on within the US team...

Anyone?

Anyone other than House?

 

[limerickman]

Looking back, does anyone think that Alexi Grewal wasn't doped at the '84 Olympics?

I mean, when you compare the two careers and you consider the blood doping going on within the US team...

Anyone?

Anyone other than House?

Grewal admitted that he doped ........he used write ana rticle in Cycle Sport and fair dues to him, he admitted his guilt.

 

[thunder]

Actually I meant a different rider, such as Boonen or Pantani or Inudrain to name a few names.

So then why spend so much time singling out Americans if you admit that this happens everywhere?

It's tarnished by unproven "evidence" which leads to wholly different problem, how it's impossible for someone rumored to be doping to clear his or her name.

But getting back to what you said, you assume he had the best drugs so you spend your time harping on him (not just you but cycling fans in general) instead of realizing that if indeed they all dope then he surely could not have been the only one with access to the top stuff.

House, you want evidence?

Was the insulin and actovegin not evidence in waste bags? I believe USPS tacitly conceded this when they said a soigneur had diabetes.

Both products illegal.

House, you are asking for a "proven evidence" setting the benchmark so high as to be unreasonable. Judicial Inquiries and Royal Commissions make findings also, like a civil court, they are not held to a criminal court level of burden.

So, you want Armstrong to be afforded a level of burden akin to a criminal court, when his civil liberties are not being compromised?

Absurd.

If you wish to dope in 2008, you can dope, knowing, that inside your own home, with rights afforded to you wrt privacy, you could dope your **** off, and dispose of all evidence. There would be no evidence.

Do not you understand the regime you are actually promoting. You are promoting a see no evil do no evil regime which tacitly endorses doping. It gives riders carte blanche opportunities to dope from the inside of their own private home.

You want a level of evidence, that is just unreasonable, and promotes a culture of doping. There is no evidence in that scenario. You wilfully refuse to acknowledge the evidence that exists, and hide behind spurious defences like constitutional rights, which are not relevant considering a sporting case. For every doper like Armstrong, there is someone he denied rewards, like Bassons, Mcgee, Voeckler. Will you suggest Armstrong had a hand in not affording these riders human rights? That is stupid is not it, well, see how stupid your argument is.

 

[TheDarkLord]

Thunder, there is no point in arguing rationally with House. He is either incapable, or chooses to not see logic. He is the kind of person who chooses to believe that the Earth is flat even if shown a picture from space. Arguing with a wall will give better results than arguing with House. At least with the former, you can rant, and feel relieved that it is out of the system, while with the latter, he will make sure that you feel even more bitter in the end. Of course, if you are doing it facetiously, that is a different matter, but I suspect that you are really being serious here.

 

[kennf]

Grewal admitted that he doped ........he used write ana rticle in Cycle Sport and fair dues to him, he admitted his guilt.

I'd never heard that. I remember watching in disbelief when Grewal (a pure climber) outsprinted Bauer (a crit specialist at the time). Grewal was always a headcase. Never got it together for the Euro scene (racing for Panasonic I think). His brother Rishi was a hell of a mountain biker, though.

 

[fscyclist]

Uh-oh. Lemond's bike just reminded me of all the neon bikes and clothing. Some things, like pony tails on every other cyclists, are better left forgotten.

Regardless of the colors, those are some beautiful bikes; so much more elegant than the **** they ride now. I think the ugliest thing ever put on a bike are those Shimano STI levers. It's nice to see pictures without them. Love the toe straps as well.

 

[limerickman]

I'd never heard that. I remember watching in disbelief when Grewal (a pure climber) outsprinted Bauer (a crit specialist at the time). Grewal was always a headcase. Never got it together for the Euro scene (racing for Panasonic I think). His brother Rishi was a hell of a mountain biker, though.

Kennf : Grewal writing in CS a few years back admitted that he had doped..........it was in the immediate aftermath of, I think, Festina.

Kimmages book "Rough Ride" has some good stuff on Grewal - very talented rider by all accounts but he couldn't apply himself mentally, according to Kimmage.

 

[thunder]

Regardless of the colors, those are some beautiful bikes; so much more elegant than the **** they ride now. I think the ugliest thing ever put on a bike are those Shimano STI levers. It's nice to see pictures without them. Love the toe straps as well.

thanks for that contribution fs
(avec pic)

 

[Bro Deal]

Regardless of the colors, those are some beautiful bikes; so much more elegant than the **** they ride now. I think the ugliest thing ever put on a bike are those Shimano STI levers. It's nice to see pictures without them. Love the toe straps as well.

You can always use Campy to get rid of the atrocity that is STI.

I kind of wish the UCI would up the min bike weight by a kilo. Steel bikes could be used again. The reality of bike manufacturers sponsorship is that they wouldn't give the teams steel, but we could hope.

It would be cool if the pro Monte Paschi Eroica required steel. Heck, the Giro should require steel for one of the stages that ends with a gravel ascent.

 

[thunder]

You can always use Campy to get rid of the atrocity that is STI.

I kind of wish the UCI would up the min bike weight by a kilo. Steel bikes could be used again. The reality of bike manufacturers sponsorship is that they wouldn't give the teams steel, but we could hope.

It would be cool if the pro Monte Paschi Eroica required steel. Heck, the Giro should require steel for one of the stages that ends with a gravel ascent.

Bro you can get steel to 7kgs flat now, with lightweights, and carbon seatpost etc

 

[fscyclist]

You can always use Campy to get rid of the atrocity that is STI.

I kind of wish the UCI would up the min bike weight by a kilo. Steel bikes could be used again. The reality of bike manufacturers sponsorship is that they wouldn't give the teams steel, but we could hope.

It would be cool if the pro Monte Paschi Eroica required steel. Heck, the Giro should require steel for one of the stages that ends with a gravel ascent.

I still ride steel and had downtube shifters until 4-5 years ago. Now I have campy record ergo shifters (the dura-ace levers and crank are hideous). They shift well, but don't look as clean as a standard brake lever and aren't nearly as comfortable. I've thought about going back to downtubes.

 

[Bro Deal]

Bro you can get steel to 7kgs flat now, with lightweights, and carbon seatpost etc

I don't have Lightweights.

The super light stuff from small manufacturers scares me.

 

[thunder]

I don't have Lightweights.

The super light stuff from small manufacturers scares me.

point being, steel can still come in light enough, for all but a 55-60 kg climber who needs a 6.7 ride.

I think Boardman put it best, a bike has to go down hill as well as up hill. A 70 kg rider cannot descend safely on a 6 kg bike.

 

[Bro Deal]

I still ride steel and had downtube shifters until 4-5 years ago. Now I have campy record ergo shifters (the dura-ace levers and crank are hideous). They shift well, but don't look as clean as a standard brake lever and aren't nearly as comfortable. I've thought about going back to downtubes.

You crazy.

One of my bikes still has downtube shifters, but my bike with Record Ergo is just so much better. I don't think the looks are much different, and the carbon levers look great. I like that the ergo shifters are a little thicker than old school brake lever ones.

 

[fscyclist]

You crazy.

One of my bikes still has downtube shifters, but my bike with Record Ergo is just so much better. I don't think the looks are much different, and the carbon levers look great. I like that the ergo shifters are a little thicker than old school brake lever ones.

Polished alum beats carbon. Sounds like you need to tune up your old bike with the d/t shifters.

Don't get me wrong, I love my lightweight steel with record, nice wheels, etc., but every now and then I like to hop on my old bike with d/t shifters, normal brake hoods, 32 spoke wheels, etc... It just feels right!

 

[Frigo's Luggage]

I am not picky. I've ridden every material there is except for bambo. Only one I still don't like is all carbon. I probably would never buy a ti bike either (sorry Bro). I like my carbon/alum crack'n fail. Glad to know that I will be able to get the next one at KMart.

 

[Cipher]

Bet he would still smoke my ass on one leg.

I ride fairly frequently with Greg, and he has rekindled his passion for riding the bike. (Trust me, he still has plenty of gas in the tank!)

 

[jimmypop]

I'd never heard that. I remember watching in disbelief when Grewal (a pure climber) outsprinted Bauer (a crit specialist at the time). Grewal was always a headcase. Never got it together for the Euro scene (racing for Panasonic I think). His brother Rishi was a hell of a mountain biker, though.

Yeah, Rishi sure has some amazing off-road palmares.

 

[whiteboytrash]

Regardless of the colors, those are some beautiful bikes; so much more elegant than the **** they ride now. I think the ugliest thing ever put on a bike are those Shimano STI levers. It's nice to see pictures without them. Love the toe straps as well.

Should be noted that LeMond is not using toestraps in the this photo or in '89. He was one of the first to migrate to the TIME pedal/shoe system but he wrapped a pedal strap around his shoe to stop the Velcro's from bursting open........ Kelly of course used toestraps and probably still does !