The Zapper?



<Rich.@.> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:12:24 -0330, "RB"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > You should at least be neutral until it's been proven
> > not to work,
which
> >it hasn't.
> >
>
>
> If someone told you that they could fly to Mars by
> flapping their arms>
would you remain neutral until it's been proven not to be
so??

The laws concerning this are very well known but if they
sincerely believed that then I'd let them flap their arms
until they got tired. Also if they by chance did fly to
Mars by flapping their arms would you think it would be a
good idea to revise the laws of flight etc?

>
> Cue Jan to accuse me of a stupid skeptic trick since we
> are not talking about flying to Mars.

No more we are not talking about a trip to Mars. It IS a
stupid skeptic trick.

>
> Aloha,
>
> Rich
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> The best defense to logic is ignorance
 
"Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark [email protected]> wrote
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> > "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> > > "Kim" <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > >"Mark Probert-March 10, 2004" <Mark Probert03-10-
> > > >[email protected]>
> > wrote
> > > >in message news:q3M3c.15345>
> > > >> Jan never posted proof that she had parasites to
> > > >> begin with.
> > > >====================
> > > >Did she not have fecals run? Blood tests? Nothing?
> > >
> > > Heavens no! She "just knew" she had them, and using
> > > the zappre made her feel better, so she was cured.>
> > > Tsu Dho Nimh
> >
> >
> > And you "just know" she didn't have them. Is this
> > opinion not from
your
> > own bias and prejudice? So Dim.
>
> Well, rubber brain, you again show how limited your
> ability toengage in rational thought actually is. Why
> would someone treat something that they
do
> not know for sure that they have?

If you think you may have been bitten by a rattlesnake
but weren't sure of it, would you want to take the anti-
venom or not?

The thing is, modern conventional medical science knows
nothing of parasites(the kind that is that are unknown to
them) so there are no tests that they have for them. Maybe
alts do, I'm not sure but if you take the parasite cleanse
or use the Zapper and afterwards find yourself much better
physically, would you not conclude if you were unbiased that
you had indeed had parasites, being that we are not of
course psycho as Rich might suggest!???
 
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> > > "Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
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> > > > "RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > > > <Rich.@.> wrote in message news:mhqv40tkajkvkk60c-
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> > > > > > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 02:01:56 GMT, Orac
> > > > > > <[email protected]>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >In article
> > > > > > ><[email protected]>, "RB"
> > > > > > ><[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Do any alts on here have any actual
> > > > > > >> personal experience
with
> > Dr.
> > > > > Clarks
> > > > > > >> device for ridding the body of parasites? I
> > > > > > >> daresay it may
> work.
> > > Why
> > > > > not?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >"Why not" is the wrong question. A better
> > > > > > >question is: Is there
> any
> > > > > > >evidence that it DOES work?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jan Drew says it works and she is a Christian
> > > > > > and never lies.
That
> > > > > > alone is proof positive for the alties!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you saying that God's children washed in
> > > > > Jesus's blood lie
> like
> > > > > Satan's people that aren't washed in Jesus's
> > > > > blood!??? NOT A
CHANCE
> > BUD.
> > > >
> > > > Are you saying that if you do not follow Jesus you
> > > > are one of
Satan's
> > > > people?
> > >
> > > What did Jesus say?
> >
> > I asked what YOU are saying. What is your position?
>
> What did Jesus say? Rich didn't answer it and I'm sure
> you won't either.

Sorry rubber brain, but I won't play your game. I asked you
a specific question in repsonse to something you posted. I
would like an answer.

Here's another question which you wil probably not answer:

What does one's relgion have to do with their opinion of
alternative medicine?
 
"Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark [email protected]> wrote
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> > "Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
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> > > "RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > > <Rich.@.> wrote in message
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> > > > > On 11 Mar 2004 06:16:34 GMT, [email protected]
> > > > > (Jan) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >>Subject: Re: The Zapper? From:
> > > > > >>[email protected] (David Wright) Date:
> > > > > >>3/10/2004 9:28 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-
> > > > > >>id: <[email protected]
> > > > > >>y.com>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > > >>RB <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > >>> Do any alts on here have any actual personal
> > > > > >>> experience with
> Dr.
> > > > Clarks
> > > > > >>>device for ridding the body of parasites? I
> > > > > >>>daresay it may
work.
> > Why
> > > > not?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>There's no known mechanism by which it would
> > > > > >>work, that's why
not.
> > > > > >>There's also no evidence that Hulda's pet
> > > > > >>parasites are present in most people, which is
> > > > > >>another reason why not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >David Wright
> > > > >
> > > > > The below post by Jan Drew clearly indicates that
> > > > > she is capable
of
> > > > > figurative language and analogies.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course if the tables were turned and someone
> > > > > used this analogy
> with
> > > > > Jan Drew she would say something like "Diversion,
> > > > > we are not
talking
> > > > > about unknown lands, falling meteorites or
> > > > > drilling for oil.
Stupid
> > > > > skeptic tricks. Typical of EEEVIL organized
> > > > > medicine".
> > > > >
> > > > > And she would do this not because she did not
> > > > > understand the
> analogy.
> > > > > She would do it because she could not refute the
> > > > > logical
implication
> > > > > of the analogy and would have to pretend not to
> > > > > understand and
then
> > > > > attack the person.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course Jan's suggestion that because someone
> > > > > doubted something
> > that>
> > > > turned out to be true hardly proves the Hulda
> > > > "Quack" Clark is>
> anything
> > > > more than a parasite who preys on the helpless and
> > > > those> dying of
> > > incurable
> > > > diseases. Hulda is all too happy to take there last>
> > > > dollars before
> they
> > > > die. And Jan is all too happy to shill for Hulda.>
> > > > Sad that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Has the technology behind the Zapper been
> > > > disproven? Post such
proof
> > > > please.
> > >
> > > Has the "technology" behind the zapper been proven? So
> > > far, using only
a
> > 9V
> > > battery toproduce the results alleged is impossible.
> > > She bears the
> burden
> > of
> > > proof it works.
> >
> > You should at least be neutral until it's been proven
> > not to work,
which
> > it hasn't.
>
> You still have it backwards.
>
> The technology of the Zapper is such that it is impossible
> for it to do
what
> it is claimed it does.

Once upon a time the experts said the sun actually circled
the earth! Does it?

>
> Be that as it may, the proponent of the Zapper bears the
> burden of proof,>
and this is especially true when the technology is so
suspect.

That's just your opinion.
 
"Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark [email protected]> wrote
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> "RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > "Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
> > [email protected]>
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> > >
> > > "RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > > "Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark
[email protected]>
> > > wrote
> > > > in message news:[email protected]
> > > > vlny.cv.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > "RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > > > > <Rich.@.> wrote in message news:mhqv40tkajkvkk6-
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> > > > > > > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 02:01:56 GMT, Orac
> > > > > > > <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >In article
> > > > > > > ><[email protected]>, "RB"
> > > > > > > ><[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Do any alts on here have any actual
> > > > > > > >> personal experience
> with
> > > Dr.
> > > > > > Clarks
> > > > > > > >> device for ridding the body of parasites? I
> > > > > > > >> daresay it may
> > work.
> > > > Why
> > > > > > not?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >"Why not" is the wrong question. A better
> > > > > > > >question is: Is
there
> > any
> > > > > > > >evidence that it DOES work?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jan Drew says it works and she is a Christian
> > > > > > > and never lies.
> That
> > > > > > > alone is proof positive for the alties!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are you saying that God's children washed in
> > > > > > Jesus's blood
lie
> > like
> > > > > > Satan's people that aren't washed in Jesus's
> > > > > > blood!??? NOT A
> CHANCE
> > > BUD.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you saying that if you do not follow Jesus you
> > > > > are one of
> Satan's
> > > > > people?
> > > >
> > > > What did Jesus say?
> > >
> > > I asked what YOU are saying. What is your position?
> >
> > What did Jesus say? Rich didn't answer it and I'm sure
> > you won't
either.
>
>
> Sorry rubber brain, but I won't play your game. I asked
> you a specific question in repsonse to something you
> posted. I would like an answer.
>
> Here's another question which you wil probably not answer:
>
> What does one's relgion have to do with their opinion of
> alternative medicine?

It shouldn't have anything to do with anyone's opinion of
alternative medicine but it seems that real
Christians(including Jews etc) are more ready to accept
the truth than any other's! The other's are more ready to
debunk or disbelieve.
 
"Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark [email protected]> wrote
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> "RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
> > [email protected]>
> wrote
> > in message
> > news:%[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > <Rich.@.> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > On 11 Mar 2004 06:16:34 GMT, [email protected]
> > > > > (Jan) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >>Subject: Re: The Zapper? From:
> > > > > >>[email protected] (David Wright) Date:
> > > > > >>3/10/2004 9:28 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-
> > > > > >>id: <[email protected]
> > > > > >>y.com>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > > >>RB <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > >>> Do any alts on here have any actual personal
> > > > > >>> experience with
> Dr.
> > > > Clarks
> > > > > >>>device for ridding the body of parasites? I
> > > > > >>>daresay it may
work.
> > Why
> > > > not?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>There's no known mechanism by which it would
> > > > > >>work, that's why
not.
> > > > > >>There's also no evidence that Hulda's pet
> > > > > >>parasites are present in most people, which is
> > > > > >>another reason why not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >David Wright
> > > > >
> > > > > The below post by Jan Drew clearly indicates that
> > > > > she is capable
of
> > > > > figurative language and analogies.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course if the tables were turned and someone
> > > > > used this analogy
> with
> > > > > Jan Drew she would say something like "Diversion,
> > > > > we are not
talking
> > > > > about unknown lands, falling meteorites or
> > > > > drilling for oil.
Stupid
> > > > > skeptic tricks. Typical of EEEVIL organized
> > > > > medicine".
> > > > >
> > > > > And she would do this not because she did not
> > > > > understand the
> analogy.
> > > > > She would do it because she could not refute the
> > > > > logical
implication
> > > > > of the analogy and would have to pretend not to
> > > > > understand and
then
> > > > > attack the person.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course Jan's suggestion that because someone
> > > > > doubted something
> > that>
> > > > turned out to be true hardly proves the Hulda
> > > > "Quack" Clark is>
> anything
> > > > more than a parasite who preys on the helpless and
> > > > those> dying of
> > > incurable
> > > > diseases. Hulda is all too happy to take there last>
> > > > dollars before
> they
> > > > die. And Jan is all too happy to shill for Hulda.>
> > > > Sad that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Has the technology behind the Zapper been
> > > > disproven? Post such
proof
> > > > please.
> > >
> > > Has the "technology" behind the zapper been proven? So
> > > far, using only
a
> > 9V
> > > battery toproduce the results alleged is impossible.
> > > She bears the
> burden
> > of
> > > proof it works.
> >
> > You should at least be neutral until it's been proven
> > not to work,
which
> > it hasn't.
>
> You still have it backwards.
>
> The technology of the Zapper is such that it is impossible
> for it to do
what
> it is claimed it does.

Once upon a time the experts said the sun actually circled
the earth! Does it?

>
> Be that as it may, the proponent of the Zapper bears the
> burden of proof,>
and this is especially true when the technology is so
suspect.

That's just your opinion.
 
>Subject: Re: The Zapper?
>From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email protected]
>Date: 3/11/2004 3:38 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>"RB" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Do any alts on here have any actual personal experience
>> with Dr. Clarks device for ridding the body of
>> parasites?
>
>>I daresay it may work. Why not?
>
>Why not? Because any electrical field strong enough to KILL
>a parasite in your body would kill your own cells. Applying
>a weak electrical field to the outside of the body does
>nothing in the body: the power is too low to penetrate the
>skin. If you crank up the power so it's penetrating the
>skin, you start seeing burns, twitching nerves, etc. That's
>LONG before its strong enough to penetrate to the
>intrestines where thebulk of the parasites live (if you
>have any).
>
>Why not? Because no one has demonstrated parasites by any
>recognized doiagnostic method and then shown that using the
>zapper got rid of them. Hulda uses another electrical
>widget she devised for diagnosing, not the presence of
>parasite eggs or adults.
>
>Tsu Dho Nimh
>
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>Subject: Re: The Zapper?
>From: [email protected] (Jan)
>Date: 3/11/2004 12:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>

Jan's repeating of past lists deleted...

Janny..surely even YOU could not be putting the charlatan
quack Clark into the same category as
kings,,scientists,,,historians,,, professors,,etc

if you are..you are far more pathetic than I thought

hawki.....
 
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: The Zapper? From: Tsu Dho Nimh
> >[email protected] Date: 3/11/2004 3:29 AM
> >Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
> ><[email protected]>
> >
> >[email protected] (Jan) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>> Yes, I have one and used it when I had parasites,
> >>>> along with the
> >parasites
> >>>> cleanse. Which one worked?? Perhaps both? At any rate
> >>>> the parasites
were
> >>>gone.
> >>>> I still do a maintance program.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Which parasites?
> >>>
> >>>Mark, MD
> >>
> >>All.
> >
> >What species, specifically? And how were they diagnosed?
> >
> >
> >
> >Tsu Dho Nimh
>
> All in the archives, my dear, look it up.

Hogwash. I looked it up, and you never posted it.
Never, Not once.

Try again, or be called a proven liar.
 
"RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
> [email protected]>
wrote
> in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email protected]> wrote in
> > > message
> > > news:p[email protected]...
> > > > "Kim" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >"Mark Probert-March 10, 2004" <Mark
[email protected]>
> > > wrote
> > > > >in message news:q3M3c.15345>
> > > > >> Jan never posted proof that she had parasites to
> > > > >> begin with.
> > > > >====================
> > > > >Did she not have fecals run? Blood tests? Nothing?
> > > >
> > > > Heavens no! She "just knew" she had them, and using
> > > > the zappre made her feel better, so she was cured.>
> > > > Tsu Dho Nimh
> > >
> > >
> > > And you "just know" she didn't have them. Is this
> > > opinion not from
> your
> > > own bias and prejudice? So Dim.
> >
> > Well, rubber brain, you again show how limited your
> > ability toengage in rational thought actually is. Why
> > would someone treat something that
they
> do
> > not know for sure that they have?
>
> If you think you may have been bitten by a rattlesnake
> but weren't sure
of
> it, would you want to take the anti-venom or not?

Th ebite of a rattlesnake is quite distinctive and one woul
dknow tha tthey have been bitten. Baaaad analogy.

> The thing is, modern conventional medical science knows
> nothing of parasites(the kind that is that are unknown
> to them)

but known to Hulda Quack? Of course, Sure. Mars if made of
red cheese.

so there are no tests
> that they have for them.

Parasites are well studied and discernible through several
means. Why not spend some time learning about them, so you
do not look like a total nincompoop when you write?

Maybe alts do, I'm not sure but if you take the
> parasite cleanse or use the Zapper and afterwards find
> yourself much
better
> physically, would you not conclude if you were unbiased
> that you had
indeed
> had parasites, being that we are not of course psycho as
> Rich might suggest!???

No, not at all. I have no reason to conclude that, as I have
no reason to believe that I had a parasite. BTW, I am
speaking from the persepctive of someone who did have a
parasitic infection while in Southeast Asia.

You take not knowing anything to knowing you had them
because you feel better. AFAIK, you feel better because the
sun is out today.
 
"RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
> [email protected]>
wrote
> in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
> > > [email protected]>
> > wrote
> > > in message news:%[email protected]
> > > ny.cv.net...
> > > >
> > > > "RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > >
> > > > > <Rich.@.> wrote in message news:112050hpmbakk319v-
> > > > > [email protected]...
> > > > > > On 11 Mar 2004 06:16:34 GMT, [email protected]
> > > > > > (Jan) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>Subject: Re: The Zapper? From:
> > > > > > >>[email protected] (David Wright) Date:
> > > > > > >>3/10/2004 9:28 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-
> > > > > > >>id: <[email protected]
> > > > > > >>igy.com>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>In article
> > > > > > >><[email protected]>, RB
> > > > > > >><[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > >>> Do any alts on here have any actual
> > > > > > >>> personal experience
with
> > Dr.
> > > > > Clarks
> > > > > > >>>device for ridding the body of parasites? I
> > > > > > >>>daresay it may
> work.
> > > Why
> > > > > not?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>There's no known mechanism by which it would
> > > > > > >>work, that's why
> not.
> > > > > > >>There's also no evidence that Hulda's pet
> > > > > > >>parasites are
present
> > > > > > >>in most people, which is another reason why
> > > > > > >>not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >David Wright
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The below post by Jan Drew clearly indicates
> > > > > > that she is capable
> of
> > > > > > figurative language and analogies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course if the tables were turned and someone
> > > > > > used this
analogy
> > with
> > > > > > Jan Drew she would say something like
> > > > > > "Diversion, we are not
> talking
> > > > > > about unknown lands, falling meteorites or
> > > > > > drilling for oil.
> Stupid
> > > > > > skeptic tricks. Typical of EEEVIL organized
> > > > > > medicine".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And she would do this not because she did not
> > > > > > understand the
> > analogy.
> > > > > > She would do it because she could not refute the
> > > > > > logical
> implication
> > > > > > of the analogy and would have to pretend not to
> > > > > > understand and
> then
> > > > > > attack the person.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course Jan's suggestion that because someone
> > > > > > doubted
something
> > > that>
> > > > > turned out to be true hardly proves the Hulda
> > > > > "Quack" Clark is>
> > anything
> > > > > more than a parasite who preys on the helpless and
> > > > > those> dying of
> > > > incurable
> > > > > diseases. Hulda is all too happy to take there
> > > > > last> dollars
before
> > they
> > > > > die. And Jan is all too happy to shill for Hulda.>
> > > > > Sad that.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Has the technology behind the Zapper been
> > > > > disproven? Post such
> proof
> > > > > please.
> > > >
> > > > Has the "technology" behind the zapper been proven?
> > > > So far, using
only
> a
> > > 9V
> > > > battery toproduce the results alleged is impossible.
> > > > She bears the
> > burden
> > > of
> > > > proof it works.
> > >
> > > You should at least be neutral until it's been
> > > proven not to work,
> which
> > > it hasn't.
> >
> > You still have it backwards.
> >
> > The technology of the Zapper is such that it is
> > impossible for it to do
> what
> > it is claimed it does.
>
> Once upon a time the experts said the sun actually
> circled the earth!
Does
> it?

I see you like to eat red herring.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html

> > Be that as it may, the proponent of the Zapper bears the
> > burden of
proof,>
> and this is especially true when the technology is so
> suspect.
>
> That's just your opinion.

It is the time honored tradition of logical debate and
usenet.

Get used to it.
 
"RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
> [email protected]>
wrote
> in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
> > > [email protected]>
> > wrote
> > > in message news:%[email protected]
> > > ny.cv.net...
> > > >
> > > > "RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > >
> > > > > <Rich.@.> wrote in message news:112050hpmbakk319v-
> > > > > [email protected]...
> > > > > > On 11 Mar 2004 06:16:34 GMT, [email protected]
> > > > > > (Jan) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>Subject: Re: The Zapper? From:
> > > > > > >>[email protected] (David Wright) Date:
> > > > > > >>3/10/2004 9:28 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-
> > > > > > >>id: <[email protected]
> > > > > > >>igy.com>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>In article
> > > > > > >><[email protected]>, RB
> > > > > > >><[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > >>> Do any alts on here have any actual
> > > > > > >>> personal experience
with
> > Dr.
> > > > > Clarks
> > > > > > >>>device for ridding the body of parasites? I
> > > > > > >>>daresay it may
> work.
> > > Why
> > > > > not?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>There's no known mechanism by which it would
> > > > > > >>work, that's why
> not.
> > > > > > >>There's also no evidence that Hulda's pet
> > > > > > >>parasites are
present
> > > > > > >>in most people, which is another reason why
> > > > > > >>not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >David Wright
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The below post by Jan Drew clearly indicates
> > > > > > that she is capable
> of
> > > > > > figurative language and analogies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course if the tables were turned and someone
> > > > > > used this
analogy
> > with
> > > > > > Jan Drew she would say something like
> > > > > > "Diversion, we are not
> talking
> > > > > > about unknown lands, falling meteorites or
> > > > > > drilling for oil.
> Stupid
> > > > > > skeptic tricks. Typical of EEEVIL organized
> > > > > > medicine".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And she would do this not because she did not
> > > > > > understand the
> > analogy.
> > > > > > She would do it because she could not refute the
> > > > > > logical
> implication
> > > > > > of the analogy and would have to pretend not to
> > > > > > understand and
> then
> > > > > > attack the person.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course Jan's suggestion that because someone
> > > > > > doubted
something
> > > that>
> > > > > turned out to be true hardly proves the Hulda
> > > > > "Quack" Clark is>
> > anything
> > > > > more than a parasite who preys on the helpless and
> > > > > those> dying of
> > > > incurable
> > > > > diseases. Hulda is all too happy to take there
> > > > > last> dollars
before
> > they
> > > > > die. And Jan is all too happy to shill for Hulda.>
> > > > > Sad that.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Has the technology behind the Zapper been
> > > > > disproven? Post such
> proof
> > > > > please.
> > > >
> > > > Has the "technology" behind the zapper been proven?
> > > > So far, using
only
> a
> > > 9V
> > > > battery toproduce the results alleged is impossible.
> > > > She bears the
> > burden
> > > of
> > > > proof it works.
> > >
> > > You should at least be neutral until it's been
> > > proven not to work,
> which
> > > it hasn't.
> >
> > You still have it backwards.
> >
> > The technology of the Zapper is such that it is
> > impossible for it to do
> what
> > it is claimed it does.
>
> Once upon a time the experts said the sun actually
> circled the earth!
Does
> it?

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html

> > Be that as it may, the proponent of the Zapper bears the
> > burden of
proof,>
> and this is especially true when the technology is so
> suspect.
>
> That's just your opinion.

As I said elsewhere, it is the time honored tradtion of
logical debate and usenet. Get used to it.
 
"RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
> [email protected]>
wrote
> in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
> > > [email protected]>
> > wrote
> > > in message news:[email protected]
> > > ny.cv.net...
> > > >
> > > > "RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark
> [email protected]>
> > > > wrote
> > > > > in message news:[email protected]
> > > > > hcvlny.cv.net...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "RB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <Rich.@.> wrote in message news:mhqv40tkajkvk-
> > > > > > > [email protected]...
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 02:01:56 GMT, Orac
> > > > > > > > <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >In article
> > > > > > > > ><[email protected]>, "RB"
> > > > > > > > ><[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Do any alts on here have any actual
> > > > > > > > >> personal
experience
> > with
> > > > Dr.
> > > > > > > Clarks
> > > > > > > > >> device for ridding the body of parasites?
> > > > > > > > >> I daresay it
may
> > > work.
> > > > > Why
> > > > > > > not?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >"Why not" is the wrong question. A better
> > > > > > > > >question is: Is
> there
> > > any
> > > > > > > > >evidence that it DOES work?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jan Drew says it works and she is a
> > > > > > > > Christian and never
lies.
> > That
> > > > > > > > alone is proof positive for the alties!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are you saying that God's children washed
> > > > > > > in Jesus's blood
> lie
> > > like
> > > > > > > Satan's people that aren't washed in Jesus's
> > > > > > > blood!??? NOT A
> > CHANCE
> > > > BUD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are you saying that if you do not follow Jesus
> > > > > > you are one of
> > Satan's
> > > > > > people?
> > > > >
> > > > > What did Jesus say?
> > > >
> > > > I asked what YOU are saying. What is your position?
> > >
> > > What did Jesus say? Rich didn't answer it and I'm
> > > sure you won't
> either.
> >
> >
> > Sorry rubber brain, but I won't play your game. I asked
> > you a specific question in repsonse to something you
> > posted. I would like an answer.
> >
> > Here's another question which you wil probably not
> > answer:
> >
> > What does one's relgion have to do with their opinion of
> > alternative medicine?
>
> It shouldn't have anything to do with anyone's opinion
> of alternative medicine but it seems that real
> Christians(including Jews etc)

Jews are not Christians. Once a Jew accpts Jesus as the
Messiah, they cease being a Jew. It i slike being a
vegetarian who accepts Big Macs at McDonald's. They
cannot do both.

are more
> ready to accept the truth than any other's! The other's
> are more ready to debunk or disbelieve.

IOW, you are saying Christians accept blindly and Jews are
more critical thinkers. I think you just ****** of a whole
lot of Christians.
 
Orac, the court jester of the school of "If it denies my
preconceptions of how the world works, then it is wrong"
Says.........................

" "Orac" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:eek:rac-3982BA.21020110032004@news4-
ge1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> In article <[email protected]>, "RB"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Do any alts on here have any actual personal
> > experience with Dr.
Clarks
> > device for ridding the body of parasites? I daresay it
> > may work. Why
not?
>
> "Why not" is the wrong question. A better question is: Is
> there any evidence that it DOES work?
>
> --
> Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
> |
> |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
> |you inconvenience me with questions?"
 
"Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark [email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...

>
> There you go again with those logical fallacies. No one
> denies that parasites exist. The question is whether JD
> had them.
Please pay attention, and try to keep up now. The question
is/was does anyone have experince with the "zapper"? The
folks out there in net-land do not care if Miz Drew did or
did not. You seem to attempt to redirect or deflect the
conversation rather much. If you do this for your own
agenda, then you are a very sick person and should seek
help. If you do it for some other agenda, such as a pay
scheime or such, then you are simply a person worthy of any
trust or respect. If you do so because you are a true
beliver, then again you need some help. I do hope you seek
it. Matters not to me, But I understand your need to answer
this rather than consider what it means. So go dude.
>
> > You> will then know what you are dealing with. If you
> > You> do have
parasites
> > you need> to know their life cycle to prevent a
> > reinfestation. Don't
you
> > agree?
> >
> > I certainly do recall Mrs. Clarke saying the very same
> > thing. Obviously
> you
> > know **** all about parasites and aren't going to learn
> > anything about
> them
> > anytime soon.
>
> Well...let's parse this....
>
> You claim that Kim said the same thing that Mrs. Clark
> said, and that Kim knows **** about them. I infer then,
> that Mrs. Clark knows **** about
them.
> Fair enough. I agree.
>
> > > I'm not sure where Jan lives, or lived (abroad?) but
> > > it seems she self diagnosed a parasite that is not
> > > commonly found in the USA. Perhaps
a
> > Dr> on this NG can shed more light on these Loa Loa
> > Dr> parasites.
> >
> > Which Drs are those? Maybe you should even go and ask
> > the King of
> Parrot's
> > himself? He seems to be real good at pretending to know
> > about things in which he is not adequately qualified.
> >
> > So are you a Jew?
>
> I can assure you that Kim is not Jewish.
>
> Why do you ask?
 
"carabelli" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:20040311152824.16154.00001280@mb-
>m11.aol.com...
>> >Subject: Re: The Zapper? From: "Kim" [email protected] Date:
>> >3/10/2004 11:53 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
>> ><[email protected]>
>>
>> Kim,
>>
>> I suggest since you seem so very interested in every word
>> Rich has to say,
>you
>> look up his posts of these discussions. His addy at that
>> time was [email protected] and [email protected]
>>
>> These discussions were in 1998 and 1999.
>>
>> Rots of Ruck in finding them. *;*..........
>
>Good, I was tired of hearing about your prejudices against
>Jews. Now Asians, how wonderful in your small world.
>
>carabelli
>

"Fots of ..."

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On 11 Mar 2004 20:40:45 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:

>>Subject: Re: The Zapper? From: Tsu Dho Nimh
>>[email protected]

>>>>
>>>>Which parasites?
>>>>
>>>>Mark, MD
>>>
>>>All.
>>
>>What species, specifically? And how were they diagnosed?
>>
>>
>>
>>Tsu Dho Nimh

>Rich said: Cue Jan to tell you to "look it up"

And then right on cue Jan says:
>
>All in the archives, my dear, look it up.

Some things are so predictable.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance
 
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:28:00 GMT, "carabelli"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:20040311152824.16154.00001280@mb-
>m11.aol.com...
>> >Subject: Re: The Zapper? From: "Kim" [email protected] Date:
>> >3/10/2004 11:53 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
>> ><[email protected]>
>>
>> Kim,
>>
>> I suggest since you seem so very interested in every word
>> Rich has to say,
>you
>> look up his posts of these discussions. His addy at that
>> time was [email protected] and [email protected]
>>
>> These discussions were in 1998 and 1999.
>>
>> Rots of Ruck in finding them. *;*..........
>
>Good, I was tired of hearing about your prejudices against
>Jews. Now Asians, how wonderful in your small world.

I thought some Asians had problem pronouncing the "r". This
is the other way around. However Jan did previously
disparage Asians when she said "Solly Charlie".

Aloha,

Rich
>
>carabelli
>

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-------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance
 
In article <[email protected]>, "mdd" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Orac, the court jester of the school of "If it denies my
> preconceptions of how the world works, then it is wrong"
> Says.........................

....that mdd is exceedingly gullible and will fall for any
altie claim.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"