The Zapper?



In article <[email protected]>,
"RB" <[email protected]> wrote:

> <Rich.@.> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:38:46 -0330, "RB"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
> > >[email protected]>
> wrote
> > >in message
> > >news:[email protected]...
> >
> > >> > Are you saying that God's children washed in
> > >> > Jesus's blood lie
> like
> > >> > Satan's people that aren't washed in Jesus's
> > >> > blood!??? NOT A CHANCE
> BUD.
> > >>
> > >> Are you saying that if you do not follow Jesus you
> > >> are one of Satan's people?
> > >
> > > What did Jesus say?
> >
> > Judge not, lest you be judged.
>
> What else did he say?

"Thou seest the mote in thy brother's eye, but thou seest
not the beam in thine own eye. When thou castest the beam
out of thine own eye, then wilt thou see clearly to cast the
mote from thy brother's eye."

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"RB" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
> [email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...

> > What does one's relgion have to do with their opinion of
> > alternative medicine?
>
> It shouldn't have anything to do with anyone's opinion
> of alternative medicine

Correct. So why do alties like you or Jan keep bringing up
religion when attacking their opponents?

[Snip]

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"
 
[email protected] (Jan) wrote:

>"..so many centuries after the Creation it is unlikely that
>anyone could find hitherto unknown lands of any value." -
>committee advising Ferdinand and Isabella regarding
>Columbus' proposal, 1486

Attempted diversion noted and deleted.

When Jan can't refute the facts, she tends to paste copies
of ******** replies.

Tsu Dho Nimh

--
When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a
lot like politicians invoking morality and children - grab
your wallet and/or your kid and run for your life.
 
"RB" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email protected]> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> "RB" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Do any alts on here have any actual personal
>> > experience with Dr.
>Clarks
>> >device for ridding the body of parasites?
>>
>> >I daresay it may work. Why not?
>>
>> Why not? Because any electrical field strong enough to
>> KILL a parasite in your body would kill your own cells.
>> Applying a weak electrical field to the outside of the
>> body does nothing in the body: the power is too low to
>> penetrate the skin. If you crank up the power so it's
>> penetrating the skin, you start seeing burns, twitching
>> nerves, etc. That's LONG before its strong enough to
>> penetrate to the intrestines where thebulk of the
>> parasites live (if you have any).
>
> So Dim's own pet theory. That's as much as you know
> about it So Dim.

Actually, I researched this for the safety seciton of a
manual for some manufacturing equipment that generated
electrical fields. The interaction between human flesh and
electricity of various voltages and frequencies is a well-
studied area. It's critical for working safely around
electrical fields, critical for medical treatment of
electrical injuries (given the voltage, amps and frequency,
you can make a good prediciton of wha tdamage you will have
to treat).

> Has anybody ever looked for them? Would they know how to
> look for them?

Yes ... each parasite has its own diagnostic exam, depending
on where it locates in/on the body and what stage of the
life cyclke is easiest to detect. You are looking for eggs,
adults, cysts or You check blood, feces, skin scrapings,
urine and even (for trichinosis) X-rays or biopsies of
muscle tissue.

>Isn't it you and your pharma friends that also say
>that Chelation Therapy is useless for Vascular and
>Heart disease?

What has this got to do with a Zapper?

Tsu Dho Nimh

--
When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a
lot like politicians invoking morality and children - grab
your wallet and/or your kid and run for your life.
 
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:46:09 -0700, Tsu Dho Nimh
<[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>
>
>>"..so many centuries after the Creation it is unlikely
>>that anyone could find hitherto unknown lands of any
>>value." - committee advising Ferdinand and Isabella
>>regarding Columbus' proposal, 1486
>
>Attempted diversion noted and deleted.
>
>When Jan can't refute the facts, she tends to paste copies
>of ******** replies.

Yes. It is one of her more endearing characteristics.

Aloha,

Rich
>
>Tsu Dho Nimh

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The best defense to logic is ignorance
 
"Kim" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email protected]> wrote in
>message
>> Hulda's pet parasites are Fasciolopsis buskii ... a liver
>> fluke found in South Eastern Asia and India. It's only
>> found in persons who have spent time in those areas, and
>> even then, omnly in a few of them.
>>
>> http://www.cdfound.to.it/HTML/fb2.htm has a nice map of
>> the distribution.
>
>> http://www.biosci.ohio-
>> state.edu/~parasite/fasciolopsis.html explains the fluke.
>====================
>Thank you Tsu. I'm learning more about parasites than I
>ever cared to know.

>I cannot imagine where Mrs Clark came up with the idea that
>this parasite is the cause of all diseases. I'm starting to
>believe this is all a scam on her part. There is no
>evidence to back her claims.

>Such a large parasite as this would easily be seen at
>autopsy and would be very well known here in America.

Yes ... as parasites go, it's a HUGE one. Easy to see on
autopsy, and if they are present in large numbers, produces
severe gastro-intestinal and liver problems.

Tsu Dho Nimh

--
When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a
lot like politicians invoking morality and children - grab
your wallet and/or your kid and run for your life.
 
In article <[email protected]>, <Rich.@.> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:15:36 -0330, "RB"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>><Rich.@.> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:38:46 -0330, "RB"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >"Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
>>> >[email protected]>
>>wrote
>>> >in message
>>> >news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> >> > Are you saying that God's children washed in
>>> >> > Jesus's blood lie
>>like

>>> >> > Satan's people that aren't washed in Jesus's
>>> >> > blood!??? NOT A CHANCE BUD.
>>> >>
>>> >> Are you saying that if you do not follow Jesus you
>>> >> are one of Satan's people?
>>> >
>>> > What did Jesus say?
>>>
>>> Judge not, lest you be judged.
>>
>> What else did he say?
>
>Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

And then a rock flew from the back of the crowd and hit the
woman. Jesus looked into the crowd and said "You know, Mom,
sometimes you really do annoy me."

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
 
In article <[email protected]>,
RB <[email protected]> wrote:

>The thing is, modern conventional medical science
>knows nothing of parasites(the kind that is that are
>unknown to them)

Gee, they know nothing of something that is unknown to them.
How astonishing. How tautological.

>so there are no tests that they have for them. Maybe alts
>do, I'm not sure

I'm sure -- the alts don't.

>but if you take the parasite cleanse or use the Zapper and
>afterwards find yourself much better physically, would you
>not conclude if you were unbiased that you had indeed had
>parasites, being that we are not of course psycho as Rich
>might suggest!???

No, I wouldn't conclude that unless I were as stupid as you
are. The fact that something is called a "parasite cleanse"
and maybe even makes you feel better does not mean it's
removing parasites. Sticking a name on something does not
make the name appropriate.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
 
"Eric Bohlman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Kim" <[email protected]> wrote in news:k7mdnfiS4phdO83dRVn-
> [email protected]:
>
> > She "just knew?" That is truly incredible. In this day
> > of cheap scanners her before and after test results
> > could be posted somewhere for all to see.
>
> Only if she actually *had* such test results.
>
> You know, all of this could be settled with a simple,
> cheap study. Assuming we're talking about intestinal
> parasites here, they can be detected non-invasively by
> examination of the stool.

How often do Drs order stool analysis for suspected
parasites?

So you first take a
> group of people who *do* have parasites as determined by
> microscopic stool examination (there's no point in
> studying people who don't already have them, for reasons
> that ought to be obvious). Randomly assign ten people
to
> receive "zapper" treatment over a period of a few weeks,
> and ten others to receive no treatment over that period
> (parasite infestation is seldom an emergency, so a delay
> in treatment over a few weeks shouldn't be harmful). At
> the end of those few weeks, get stool samples from all 20
> people and have them examined by a lab that doesn't know
> which treatment each of the patients received.
>
> If the "zapper" is effective, then the parasite burden in
> the "zapped" group should be significantly lower than in
> the control group. You use a control group to eliminate
> the effects of ordinary variation in the course of
> infestation. Such a study would cost a few thousand
> dollars at most (mainly in lab fees). So why aren't any of
> the "zapper" proponents doing it?
 
> > > > > > > > Are you saying that God's children washed
> > > > > > > > in Jesus's
blood> > lie> > > > like> > > > > > > > Satan's people that
blood> > lie> > > > like> > > > > > > > aren't washed in
Jesus's blood!??? NOT A> > > CHANCE> > > > > BUD.> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >

Are you saying that if you do not follow Jesus you are one
of> > > Satan's>
> > > > > > people?> > > > > >> > > > > >

What did Jesus say?> > > > >

> > > > > I asked what YOU are saying. What is your
> > > > > position?
> > > >

> > > > What did Jesus say? Rich didn't answer it and I'm
> > > > sure you won't>
> either.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry rubber brain, but I won't play your game. I
> > > asked you a
specific> > > question in repsonse to something you posted.
specific> > > I would like an
answer.

> > > Here's another question which you wil probably not
> > > answer:
> > >> > > What does one's relgion have to do with their
> > >> > > opinion of
alternative
> > > medicine?
> >
> > It shouldn't have anything to do with anyone's opinion
> > of alternative>
> medicine but it seems that real Christians(including
> Jews etc)>

> Jews are not Christians. Once a Jew accpts Jesus as the
> Messiah, they
cease> being a Jew. It i slike being a vegetarian who
cease> accepts Big Macs at>
McDonald's. They cannot do both.

Does this policy come from the anti-Christenism of
historical Jewish thought? Hypocrites! If an Englishman
accepts Jesus as his saviour does that mean he's no longer
an Englishman? So it's likewise with Jews. A Jew is a Jew
no matter what he believes.

>
> are more> > ready to accept the truth than any other's!
> The other's are
more ready to> > debunk or disbelieve.
>
> IOW, you are saying Christians accept blindly and Jews are
> more critical>
thinkers. I think you just ****** of a whole lot of
Christians.

I said what I said.
 
"Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "RB" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email protected]> wrote in
> >message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> "RB" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Do any alts on here have any actual personal
> >> > experience with Dr.
> >Clarks
> >> >device for ridding the body of parasites?
> >>
> >> >I daresay it may work. Why not?
> >>
> >> Why not? Because any electrical field strong enough to
> >> KILL a parasite in your body would kill your own cells.
> >> Applying a weak electrical field to the outside of the
> >> body does nothing in the body: the power is too low to
> >> penetrate the skin. If you crank up the power so it's
> >> penetrating the skin, you start seeing burns, twitching
> >> nerves, etc. That's LONG before its strong enough to
> >> penetrate to the intrestines where thebulk of the
> >> parasites live (if you have any).
> >
> > So Dim's own pet theory. That's as much as you know
> > about it So Dim.
>
> Actually, I researched this for the safety seciton of a
> manual for some manufacturing equipment that generated
> electrical fields. The interaction between human flesh and
> electricity of various voltages and frequencies is a well-
> studied area. It's critical for working safely around
> electrical fields, critical for medical treatment of
> electrical injuries (given the voltage, amps and
> frequency, you can make a good prediciton of wha tdamage
> you will have to treat).
>
> > Has anybody ever looked for them? Would they know how
> > to look for them?
>
> Yes ... each parasite has its own diagnostic exam,
> depending on where it locates in/on the body and what
> stage of the life cyclke is easiest to detect. You are
> looking for eggs, adults, cysts or You check blood, feces,
> skin scrapings, urine and even (for trichinosis) X-rays or
> biopsies of muscle tissue.
>
> >Isn't it you and your pharma friends that also say that
> >Chelation Therapy
is
> >useless for Vascular and Heart disease?
>
> What has this got to do with a Zapper?

Well you say the same ******** about them as you do about
the Zapper. The Zapper then must work if youse is all
against it.

>
> Tsu Dho Nimh
>
> --
> When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's
> a lot like politicians invoking morality and children -
> grab your wallet and/or your kid and run for your life.
 
"Orac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, "RB"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
> > [email protected]>
wrote
> > in message
> > news:[email protected]...
>
> > > What does one's relgion have to do with their opinion
> > > of alternative medicine?
> >
> > It shouldn't have anything to do with anyone's opinion
> > of alternative medicine
>
> Correct. So why do alties like you or Jan keep bringing up
> religion when >
attacking their opponents?

Because shouldn't IS different than does. It does make a
difference in that apparently as far as can be told by this
NG atheists and Jews disbelieve and eagerly try to debunk
alternative medicine.

>
> [Snip]
>
> --
> Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
> |
> |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
> |you inconvenience me with questions?"
 
"Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>
>
> >"..so many centuries after the Creation it is unlikely
> >that anyone could find hitherto unknown lands of any
> >value." - committee advising
Ferdinand
> >and Isabella regarding Columbus' proposal, 1486
>
> Attempted diversion noted and deleted.
>
> When Jan can't refute the facts, she tends to paste copies
> of ******** replies.

No So Dim, it was a good analogy of what happened then
regarding new ideas is happening right now here on this NG
with you guy's trying to debunk the new ideas, treatments
and methodologies of alt medicine.
 
Rich.@. wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:28:00 GMT, "carabelli"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:20040311152824.16154.00001280@mb-
>>m11.aol.com...
>>> >Subject: Re: The Zapper? From: "Kim" [email protected] Date:
>>> >3/10/2004 11:53 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
>>> ><[email protected]>
>>>
>>> Kim,
>>>
>>> I suggest since you seem so very interested in every
>>> word Rich has to say,
>>you
>>> look up his posts of these discussions. His addy at that
>>> time was [email protected] and [email protected]
>>>
>>> These discussions were in 1998 and 1999.
>>>
>>> Rots of Ruck in finding them. *;*..........
>>
>>Good, I was tired of hearing about your prejudices against
>>Jews. Now Asians, how wonderful in your small world.
>
>I thought some Asians had problem pronouncing the "r". This
>is the other way around. However Jan did previously
>disparage Asians when she said "Solly Charlie".

I remember seeing an executive of the racing tyre suppliers
in the pits at a car race once. He was proudly wearing a
baseball hat which said "Dunrop".

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
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and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
 
"Orac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, "mdd"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Orac, the court jester of the school of "If it denies my
> > preconceptions
of
> > how the world works, then it is wrong"
> > Says.........................
>
> ....that mdd is exceedingly gullible and will fall for any
> altie claim.
>
> --
> Orac
Ah! the jester tries to make a funny, and fails once again.
 
There is a mechanism by which it may work - resonance? Anth

"David Wright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, RB
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Do any alts on here have any actual personal
> > experience with Dr.
Clarks
> >device for ridding the body of parasites? I daresay it
> >may work. Why not?
>
> There's no known mechanism by which it would work, that's
> why not. There's also no evidence that Hulda's pet
> parasites are present in most people, which is another
> reason why not.
>
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
> opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
> have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
> were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
>
>
>
 
There is a mechanism by which it may work - resonance? Anth

"David Wright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, RB
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Do any alts on here have any actual personal
> > experience with Dr.
Clarks
> >device for ridding the body of parasites? I daresay it
> >may work. Why not?
>
> There's no known mechanism by which it would work, that's
> why not. There's also no evidence that Hulda's pet
> parasites are present in most people, which is another
> reason why not.
>
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
> opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
> have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
> were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
>
>
>
 
Why doe sthe question about whether it works so frightening
to you that you have to attack everyone who asks it?

"mdd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Orac, the court jester of the school of "If it denies my
> preconceptions
of
> how the world works, then it is wrong"
> Says.........................
>
>
>
>
> " "Orac" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:eek:rac-3982BA.21020110032004@news4-
> ge1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > In article <[email protected]>, "RB"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Do any alts on here have any actual personal
> > > experience with Dr.
> Clarks
> > > device for ridding the body of parasites? I daresay it
> > > may work. Why
> not?
> >
> > "Why not" is the wrong question. A better question is:
> > Is there any evidence that it DOES work?
> >
> > --
> > Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
> > |
> > |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why
> > |do you inconvenience me with questions?"
 
Why doe sthe question about whether it works so frightening
to you that you have to attack everyone who asks it?

"mdd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Orac, the court jester of the school of "If it denies my
> preconceptions
of
> how the world works, then it is wrong"
> Says.........................
>
>
>
>
> " "Orac" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:eek:rac-3982BA.21020110032004@news4-
> ge1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > In article <[email protected]>, "RB"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Do any alts on here have any actual personal
> > > experience with Dr.
> Clarks
> > > device for ridding the body of parasites? I daresay it
> > > may work. Why
> not?
> >
> > "Why not" is the wrong question. A better question is:
> > Is there any evidence that it DOES work?
> >
> > --
> > Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
> > |
> > |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why
> > |do you inconvenience me with questions?"
 
"mdd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Mark Probert-March 11, 2004" <Mark Probert03-11-
> [email protected]>
wrote
> in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >
> > There you go again with those logical fallacies. No one
> > denies that parasites exist. The question is whether JD
> > had them.
> Please pay attention, and try to keep up now.

I have been paying attention. Sadly, the problem is that I
am way ahead of you, and it is virtually impossible for you
to catch up, or catch a clue. But, I will try.

> The question is/was does anyone have experince with the
> "zapper"?

No. That is the wrong question. That is exactly your
problem. You ask the wrong questions.

The correct question is whether there is any realistic
possibility that such a contraption can perform the taks as
described? The answer is no. 9V batteries do not have the
juice to do what is being described.

The folks
> out there in net-land do not care if Miz Drew did or
> did not.

Since Jan Drew makes all of these claims, she should be
backing them up. People are not as gullible and stupid as
you would have them beleive they are. Some people actually
want verifiable facts.

> You seem to attempt to redirect or deflect the
> conversation rather much.

Sorry, but you, again, have that wrong. My discussion has
been right on the real issues, specifically whether is there
a remote possibility of it working as advertised?

> If you do this for your own agenda, then you are a very
> sick person and should seek help.

Again, you have that wrong. I do it for my agenda, which is
to discuss the pros and cons of AltMed treatments, etc. What
you are doing is looking for an amen chorus. People are
smarter than that.

> If you do it for some other agenda, such as a pay scheime
> or such, then
you
> are simply a person worthy of any trust or respect.

There ya go...the implied doing this for pay claim. Wow. Did
not take you long to get to that. How pathetic.

I do it for Mom, Truth, Apple Pie and the American Way!

> If you do so because you are a true beliver, then again
> you need some
help.
> I do hope you seek it.

Thus, according to your warped thinking, anyone who
disagrees with you is just wrong. Why not just say that?

> Matters not to me, But I understand your need to answer
> this rather than consider what it means. So go dude.

I have respoinded to you now, and in the past. You do need
help with comprehension, logic and you really should stop
thinking that everyone is as stupid and gullible as you are.
 
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