Things that piss me off about some Christians...

Discussion in 'Your Bloody Soap Box' started by Darjevon, May 4, 2005.

  1. limerickman

    limerickman Moderator

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    I tried my best to avoid this topic but I can't resist.

    Some here seem to be making the suggestion that having a religious faith and science are incompatible.

    While I do not buy the creationist line of taking every single line of the Bible as literal truth, I do not buy the "science can explain everything therefore there is no God" line, either.

    To try to apply scientific concepts to what is a metaphysical subject (God), is not practical for either the agnostic scientist or the true believer in God.
    The fact is that science cannot explain everything and the concept of God is so intangible that His (Her) existance is, for now, unprovable by scientific methods.

    As a Roman Catholic, I accept the tenets of RC doctrine and teaching.
    I also believe that God encourages man to discover truths through science
    within His universe.
    So while I respect the scientists and their proofs, I believe that these proofs
    are contained within a context created by Him (Her).

    That's me tuppence worth.
     


  2. jhuskey

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    Lim, I too try to avoid making any comment in theology or politics but sometimes to quote Tom Cruze..."what the hell".
    Yesterdays fiction is todays science and the future,who can guess, let us not be so arrogant to believe that we frail humans are self sustaining and can manifest our fate.
    Most can't even deal with every day life.....yet we are quick to divulge our take on the true meaning of life and the universe.
    I will try to keep an open mind and yet know that I am a speck of cosmic dust on a flea's ass.
    When someone comes up with a real good story in opposition as to what I may believe, I might take heed.
    Until then I am in awe to THE GREATER THAN I.
     
  3. skippygirl

    skippygirl New Member

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    I say the spineless ones are the ones who say "as long as you believe." If that is all it takes then there is no reason to keep it in the public realm. Let people keep it between their ears (or in their hearts) and out of the common spaces of government, schools, businesses and most of all my living room, bedroom etc.
    The scientific method is a human creation thus it carries limitations. But, it can and should be applied to everything. It is wrong for anyone to argue a higher authority based on a claim that is exempt from question. It baffles me that millions of people fall for this.
    It is part of human nature to try to make sense of the world. We fill in the blanks as best we can. Unfortunately we think so much of ourselves that we have come to believe that if we cannot figure “it” out then it must be supernatural. How arrogant!

    You ask what I do for a living. I am an EDI specialist in the morning then turn into a Realtor at night
     
  4. BassDave

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    I wonder how long it will take our scientific technology to advance to the point to explain certain things that people have witnessed, be it the 'metephysical', or documented healings, . . . .stuff like that.

    Also, I don't think that it is 'arrogant' when someone places one of these situations in the 'spiritual' realm. Here's a story I heard yesterday at my church. A latino lady was needing prayer for something in her life and another lady went over to pray for her. She didn't know what the problem was, so didn't know how to pray. She decided to 'speak in tongues' [I normally don't think such things are truly real] and afterwards, the latino lady thanked her for the prayer and ask her how she knew spanish so well. The lady who prayed had never learned spanish, not having even taken one class on the subject, but the latino lady said that she spoke with the same inflections as where she [the latino lady] was raised.

    Now, a story like that is hard to explain.
     
  5. wilmar13

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    Man as much as I am willing to defend religion against most mindless atheistic rhetoric, you are just asking to be bent over on this one. We already have scientific technology to explain this... it is called psychology. I will say it again, science and religion complement each other. Only those that understand little of either will argue one contradicts the other.
     
  6. MountainPro

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    its all done with mirrors...i saw it on...'when magicians attack III - the unseen parts'

    didnt you see david copperfield make a jumbo jet dissappear?...now thats what i call spooky....
     
  7. zapper

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    You should introduce yourself to our resident atheist...Mr. Peabody.

    Ever thought about opening a web based real-estate business??
     
  8. jaguar75

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    The one big difference you are not seeing here is that Agnostic people, like myself, tend to be people that have been searching for the missing "something" in their spirituality and have ultimately found it within themselves. My relaitonship with God is mine alone! :)
    Christians and most other religions for that matter are "required" to spread their word and actively seek to convert people to their cause. This is where I think your logic applies and I agree with you, however, don't EVER assume that just becasue someone has found their "love" for their "Creator" that "It is wrong for anyone to argue a higher authority based on a claim that is exempt from question." If you don't understand it then leave it alone for those that do not shove it down your throat...what works for you works for you. Like it or not that very same gamble that you say everyone is taking by buying into the religion thing...you are also gambling by making the choice NOT to buy in...Remember the saying "Making the choice not to decide is infact making a decision"
     
  9. davidmc

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    Here's some new ground my friend
     
  10. Darjevon

    Darjevon New Member

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    Thanx.


    I find it really annoying when people justify religion in politics with "we need a christian president to represent the people", thus giving the green light to evangelical politics.

    I interpret this as an insult to less dominant religions, as it strongly implies that jews, sikhists, atheists, etc. are inhuman scum, and that they have no say in politics.

    I think they might as well say "we need a gunslinging, illiterate, overweight, evangelical, Christian bigot with an iq of 95 in office to represent the people"
     
  11. davidmc

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    I'm looking at "Article VI" of the Constitution right now:

    "Article. VI.

    Clause 3: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. "

    'nuff said ;)
     
  12. jaguar75

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    Wow...we agree on something...

    The right person for the right job...enough said. :D
     
  13. Darjevon

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    tis' a miracle... this calls for some "emoticon graffiti" :)
     
  14. Darjevon

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  15. davidmc

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    Nice one ;) Most appropriate to the occassion :)
     
  16. Darjevon

    Darjevon New Member

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    hey mc, can we celebrate your 2000 post mark (a little late) with some emoticon graffiti?
     
  17. davidmc

    davidmc New Member

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    Absatively ;)

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  18. Darjevon

    Darjevon New Member

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    kool man! :)
     
  19. crithater

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    Well if my choice is to have a conversation with God or jim morrison, I will take God everytime. As a matter of fact I have conversations with him everyday....I believe that "this guy" did all of those things and more.....You have every right to not believe but you don't have the right to make light of my beliefs....

    The ever God loving Mr. Crit......
     
  20. Darjevon

    Darjevon New Member

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    In that case, I'll make fun of them :)
     
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