This is the Bike

Discussion in 'UK and Europe' started by [Not Responding], Dec 16, 2004.

  1. I reckon I've found it. As discussed earlier I've decided I need my
    first road bike but don't want anything too race-like. So here, is
    what I'm looking at now:

    http://www.tifosi-cycles.co.uk/frames/ck7.html

    Not knowing anything about Shimano vs Campag etc, what wheels and
    finishing kit should I be thinking of?
     
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  2. David Martin

    David Martin Guest

    On 16/12/04 10:11 am, in article [email protected],
    "[Not Responding]" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I reckon I've found it. As discussed earlier I've decided I need my
    > first road bike but don't want anything too race-like. So here, is
    > what I'm looking at now:
    >
    > http://www.tifosi-cycles.co.uk/frames/ck7.html


    Looks very nice. And you won't get lambasted by your political colleagues
    for the colour ;-)

    > Not knowing anything about Shimano vs Campag etc, what wheels and
    > finishing kit should I be thinking of?


    Finishing kit.. the best you can afford. Good stuff doesn't wear out any
    time soon and would last you a long time, especially if cared for.
    105/Ultegra minimum from the shimano side, Not sure for campag, probably
    centaur/chorus. Will you want a triple? If you want a compact double you'll
    have to get that in addition.

    Ob wheels. I remain unconvinced by the low spoke count wheels for general
    purpose riding. Looking at the site, I'd propbably pick teh cheapest set
    with a decent number of spokes, ie the mavic cosmos.

    Looks really nice. We look forward to your first time trial report next year
    ;-)

    ...d
     
  3. Pete Biggs

    Pete Biggs Guest

    [Not Responding] wrote:
    > I reckon I've found it. As discussed earlier I've decided I need my
    > first road bike but don't want anything too race-like. So here, is
    > what I'm looking at now:
    >
    > http://www.tifosi-cycles.co.uk/frames/ck7.html
    >
    > Not knowing anything about Shimano vs Campag etc, what wheels and
    > finishing kit should I be thinking of?


    The conventional handbuilt wheels are bound to be more practical and'll
    save money which can be invested into better build & finishing kits.

    Main practical difference between Shimano and Campag is the brake & gear
    levers--they feel and work quite differently. Perhaps you could have a
    look/feel at some in a bike shop to decide which you might prefer. Note.
    Bar bags aren't practical with Shimano STI levers.

    For Campag, simply get the most expensive groupset you can afford; there
    is no "minimum", in my opinion. I strongly suggest a triple version if in
    any doubt about what gear range you'll need.

    ~PB
     
  4. Pete Biggs wrote:

    > Main practical difference between Shimano and Campag is the brake & gear
    > levers--they feel and work quite differently. Perhaps you could have a
    > look/feel at some in a bike shop to decide which you might prefer. Note.
    > Bar bags aren't practical with Shimano STI levers.


    I use bar bags on my tourer, which has STI levers. I use the Klickfix
    system with an extender. I've used both an Agu and a Karrimor bag with
    no problems at all.

    Colin
     
  5. Sam Salt

    Sam Salt Guest

    Colin Blackburn wrote:
    > Pete Biggs wrote:
    >
    >> Main practical difference between Shimano and Campag is the brake &
    >> gear levers--they feel and work quite differently. Perhaps you
    >> could have a look/feel at some in a bike shop to decide which you
    >> might prefer. Note. Bar bags aren't practical with Shimano STI
    >> levers.

    >
    > I use bar bags on my tourer, which has STI levers. I use the Klickfix
    > system with an extender. I've used both an Agu and a Karrimor bag with
    > no problems at all.
    >
    > Colin


    Same here.I use a standard Ortlieb bar bag with Ultegra levers and no
    problem at all.


    Sam Salt
     
  6. On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:11:34 +0000, [Not Responding] wrote:

    > I reckon I've found it. As discussed earlier I've decided I need my
    > first road bike but don't want anything too race-like. So here, is
    > what I'm looking at now:
    >
    > http://www.tifosi-cycles.co.uk/frames/ck7.html
    >
    > Not knowing anything about Shimano vs Campag etc, what wheels and
    > finishing kit should I be thinking of?


    Where are you buying it?

    The most important thing is that the bike fits you. Unless you know a lot
    about these things or get specialist advice you might end up buying a frame
    that's not suitable for you. Go to a shop with a fitting jig.

    I prefer Campag but only because the cables are tidier. I would avoid
    Tiagra components because those on my wife's bike have got to look a bit
    shabby.

    I have Centaur and have no complaints.

    --
    Michael MacClancy
     
  7. Pete Bentley

    Pete Bentley Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [Not Responding] <[email protected]> wrote:
    >I reckon I've found it. As discussed earlier I've decided I need my
    >first road bike but don't want anything too race-like. So here, is
    >what I'm looking at now:
    >
    >http://www.tifosi-cycles.co.uk/frames/ck7.html
    >
    >Not knowing anything about Shimano vs Campag etc, what wheels and
    >finishing kit should I be thinking of?


    I have a CK2 (maybe too race-like for you, but maybe worth a test
    ride) with Shimano 105 bits, and know a couple of other CK2 owners
    with Campag bits... None of us has any complaints so as Pete Biggs
    said it's going to come down to personal preference. I'd second
    what he said about considering a triple too, unless you want to
    work hard on the hills.

    If you're anywhere near, I can heartily recommend Mosquito Bikes
    in Islington as an LBS to try them out in, they're also a tad cheaper
    than the website you quoted... http://www.mosquito-bikes.co.uk/

    They're a fairly small shop though and don't keep a lot of Tifosi
    stuff in stock, so call ahead.

    Pete.
     
  8. Simon Brooke

    Simon Brooke Guest

    in message <[email protected]>, [Not
    Responding] ('[email protected]') wrote:

    > I reckon I've found it. As discussed earlier I've decided I need my
    > first road bike but don't want anything too race-like. So here, is
    > what I'm looking at now:
    >
    > http://www.tifosi-cycles.co.uk/frames/ck7.html
    >
    > Not knowing anything about Shimano vs Campag etc, what wheels and
    > finishing kit should I be thinking of?


    The Veloce is a perfectly good groupset, and the bits are compatible
    with the better Campag groupsets so if you did later want to upgrade it
    would be easy. I don't understand why they're charging so much more for
    the triple than the double. If you're on a budget I would think the
    double would be a better buy, and if you're not I would tend to go for
    the Centaur double rather than the Veloce triple (indeed _I_ definitely
    would, since a Centaur double is exactly what I've got on my good road
    bike). Chorus is nicer but by the time you get that high up the scale
    you're definitely into the area of diminishing returns - it isn't
    *that* much nicer. I would not pay more for Shimano 105 than for Campag
    Veloce.

    --
    [email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    'Victories are not solutions.'
    ;; John Hume, Northern Irish politician, on Radio Scotland 1/2/95
    ;; Nobel Peace Prize laureate 1998; few have deserved it so much
     
  9. JBB

    JBB Guest

    " [Not Responding] " <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >I reckon I've found it. As discussed earlier I've decided I need my
    > first road bike but don't want anything too race-like. So here, is
    > what I'm looking at now:
    >
    > http://www.tifosi-cycles.co.uk/frames/ck7.html
    >
    > Not knowing anything about Shimano vs Campag etc, what wheels and
    > finishing kit should I be thinking of?


    Generally Tifosi get good write-ups and are seen to be good value. As far as
    I can make out the main functional difference is that the front changer for
    Shimano moves to 3 fixed positions whilst the Campag one works on a
    mini-ratchet system making it infinitely adjustable within it's total range.
    If you're going for a triple changer the Campag set-up may well work better
    for you. The other differences are in ergonomics and taste plus ability to
    fit a barbag with campag due to concealed cables.

    HTH
    Julia
     
  10. Arthur Clune

    Arthur Clune Guest

  11. dkahn400

    dkahn400 Guest

    David Martin wrote:
    > On 16/12/04 10:11 am, in article

    [email protected],

    > Ob wheels. I remain unconvinced by the low spoke count wheels
    > for general purpose riding.


    For Audax/touring I'd definitely agree. A single broken spoke can leave
    you completely stranded.

    --
    Dave...
     
  12. dkahn400

    dkahn400 Guest

    [Not Responding] wrote:
    > I reckon I've found it. As discussed earlier I've decided I need my
    > first road bike but don't want anything too race-like. So here, is
    > what I'm looking at now:
    >
    > http://www.tifosi-cycles.co.uk/frames/ck7.html


    It looks a very nice bike. I was in Pearson's in Sutton the other day
    and they were trying hard to interest me in their new audax bike, which
    I have to admit did seem very nice. It's in the same sort of price
    range - around £1000 - so it might be worth your taking a trip over
    there to make a comparison.

    --
    Dave...
     
  13. dkahn400

    dkahn400 Guest

    Pete Biggs wrote:

    > I strongly suggest a triple version if in any doubt about what
    > gear range you'll need.


    I'll go along with that too, particularly bearing in mind NR's
    post-crash arm weakness which could make climbing out of the saddle
    difficult. It should give him some peace of mind knowing that he can
    remain seated and wind his way up almost any hill.

    --
    Dave...
     
  14. On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:44:26 +0000, Michael MacClancy
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:11:34 +0000, [Not Responding] wrote:
    >
    >> I reckon I've found it. As discussed earlier I've decided I need my
    >> first road bike but don't want anything too race-like. So here, is
    >> what I'm looking at now:
    >>
    >> http://www.tifosi-cycles.co.uk/frames/ck7.html
    >>
    >> Not knowing anything about Shimano vs Campag etc, what wheels and
    >> finishing kit should I be thinking of?

    >
    >Where are you buying it?


    Apparently there's a shop in Waterlooville (north of Portsmouth) that
    does Tifosi. I'd expect them to be able to size a frame for me. The
    alternative is to go a lot further afield for a formal fitting
    session. Mosquito bikes charge £75 for this but while I see the value
    for a custom frame I'm not so convinced it's needed when selecting
    between XS,S,M,L,XL.

    >The most important thing is that the bike fits you. Unless you know a lot
    >about these things or get specialist advice you might end up buying a frame
    >that's not suitable for you. Go to a shop with a fitting jig.
    >
    >I prefer Campag but only because the cables are tidier. I would avoid
    >Tiagra components because those on my wife's bike have got to look a bit
    >shabby.
    >
    >I have Centaur and have no complaints.


    A quick glance at the Campag site implies that triples aren't offered
    in all their ranges. I'll probably go for the Veloce.
     
  15. JBB

    JBB Guest

    " [Not Responding] " <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:44:26 +0000, Michael MacClancy
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:11:34 +0000, [Not Responding] wrote:
    >>
    >>> I reckon I've found it. As discussed earlier I've decided I need my
    >>> first road bike but don't want anything too race-like. So here, is
    >>> what I'm looking at now:
    >>>
    >>> http://www.tifosi-cycles.co.uk/frames/ck7.html
    >>>
    >>> Not knowing anything about Shimano vs Campag etc, what wheels and
    >>> finishing kit should I be thinking of?

    >>
    >>Where are you buying it?

    >
    > Apparently there's a shop in Waterlooville (north of Portsmouth) that
    > does Tifosi. I'd expect them to be able to size a frame for me. The
    > alternative is to go a lot further afield for a formal fitting
    > session. Mosquito bikes charge £75 for this but while I see the value
    > for a custom frame I'm not so convinced it's needed when selecting
    > between XS,S,M,L,XL.
    >
    >>The most important thing is that the bike fits you. Unless you know a lot
    >>about these things or get specialist advice you might end up buying a
    >>frame
    >>that's not suitable for you. Go to a shop with a fitting jig.
    >>
    >>I prefer Campag but only because the cables are tidier. I would avoid
    >>Tiagra components because those on my wife's bike have got to look a bit
    >>shabby.
    >>
    >>I have Centaur and have no complaints.

    >
    > A quick glance at the Campag site implies that triples aren't offered
    > in all their ranges. I'll probably go for the Veloce.


    I take it that this is Scivyer Cycles? John has a good reputation locally,
    it's probably worth talking to him about the whole package. That way you can
    mix and match bits out of different groupsets, get the bars and saddle of
    your choice and a pair of decent hand-built wheels. Additionally both veloce
    and centaur do triple crankset (just checked) and you can get the cassette
    and chain of your choice.

    HTH
    Julia
     
  16. MSeries

    MSeries Guest

    [Not Responding] wrote:
    > I reckon I've found it. As discussed earlier I've decided I need my
    > first road bike but don't want anything too race-like. So here, is
    > what I'm looking at now:
    >
    > http://www.tifosi-cycles.co.uk/frames/ck7.html
    >
    > Not knowing anything about Shimano vs Campag etc, what wheels and
    > finishing kit should I be thinking of?

    I'd recommend Shimano groupset with downtube shifters. Less weight than
    STi/Ergo. No handlebar/cable mess AT ALL. can be switched to friction
    mode if needed to give un limited trimming, much cheaper and more reliable.
    Oozes retro chic, shame about that sloping top tube though. 36 spoke
    wheels only please
     
  17. Simonb

    Simonb Guest

    [Not Responding] wrote:
    > I reckon I've found it. As discussed earlier I've decided I need my
    > first road bike but don't want anything too race-like. So here, is
    > what I'm looking at now:
    >
    > http://www.tifosi-cycles.co.uk/frames/ck7.html
    >
    > Not knowing anything about Shimano vs Campag etc, what wheels and
    > finishing kit should I be thinking of?


    The only thing I don't like about Tifosi is the name -- a bit silly
    methinks. It's a nice bike all the same; I've seen one in GA Cycles in
    Southampton. It's a nice shade of blue.
     
  18. Simon Brooke

    Simon Brooke Guest

    in message <[email protected]>, JBB
    ('[email protected]') wrote:

    > Generally Tifosi get good write-ups and are seen to be good value. As
    > far as I can make out the main functional difference is that the front
    > changer for Shimano moves to 3 fixed positions whilst the Campag one
    > works on a mini-ratchet system making it infinitely adjustable within
    > it's total range.


    Not infinitely. It's stepped, but there are more steps so some degree of
    trimming is possible. It's generally possible to trim so as to avoid
    the chain rubbing in the front mech - but Campag front mechs have a
    (replaceable) resin/PTFE insert in the cage to prevent chain rub
    wearing the leading edge of the cage.

    --
    [email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    [ This .sig subject to change without notice ]
     
  19. Simon Brooke

    Simon Brooke Guest

    in message <[email protected]>, JBB
    ('[email protected]') wrote:

    > " [Not Responding] " <[email protected]> wrote in
    > message news:[email protected]
    >>
    >> A quick glance at the Campag site implies that triples aren't offered
    >> in all their ranges. I'll probably go for the Veloce.

    >
    > I take it that this is Scivyer Cycles? John has a good reputation
    > locally, it's probably worth talking to him about the whole package.
    > That way you can mix and match bits out of different groupsets, get
    > the bars and saddle of your choice and a pair of decent hand-built
    > wheels. Additionally both veloce and centaur do triple crankset (just
    > checked) and you can get the cassette and chain of your choice.


    It's also worth pointing out that the Centaur rear mech comes in three
    cage lengths. I have the medium cage, which allows me up to 13-29 at
    the back on a double. This seems to me a practical, more elegant, and
    lighter alternative to a triple (although in practice I use a 13-26).

    --
    [email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; Woz: 'All the best people in life seem to like LINUX.'
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  20. JBB

    JBB Guest

    "Simon Brooke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > in message <[email protected]>, JBB
    > ('[email protected]') wrote:
    >
    >> Generally Tifosi get good write-ups and are seen to be good value. As
    >> far as I can make out the main functional difference is that the front
    >> changer for Shimano moves to 3 fixed positions whilst the Campag one
    >> works on a mini-ratchet system making it infinitely adjustable within
    >> it's total range.

    >
    > Not infinitely. It's stepped, but there are more steps so some degree of
    > trimming is possible. It's generally possible to trim so as to avoid
    > the chain rubbing in the front mech - but Campag front mechs have a
    > (replaceable) resin/PTFE insert in the cage to prevent chain rub
    > wearing the leading edge of the cage.
    >
    > --
    > [email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    >
    > [ This .sig subject to change without notice ]
    >

    Ok it's not infinite, just my hyperbole showing! I would however say from
    personal experience that with a Centaur set up I have always been able to
    eliminate chain-rub bt adjuting the mech as required.

    Julia
     
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