Threat from a Typical Mountain Biker

Discussion in 'Mountain Bikes' started by Mike Vandeman, Feb 2, 2004.

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  1. Wrybosome

    Wrybosome Guest

    I'm awarding Mike 2 points for trolling you inside a thread about hime being a troll. Right after I
    buy a mountain bike.
     


  2. Rosco

    Rosco Guest

    "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:18:59 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    >
    > .

    > . .Can you imagine that Mike Vandeman is able to cancel highway projects?
    That
    > .is astounding if you stop to think of the implications of it. Of course,
    he
    > .got the Sierra Club to actually stop the highway projects, and the Sierra .Club has disowned him
    > since then, but it is still astounding that someone
    so
    > .blatantly ignorant of reality can accomplish this sort of thing.
    >
    > That simply shows how far off you are. By the way, NO mountain bikers
    helped
    > stop any highway projects.

    None that you know of ...............LIAR

    > ===
    > I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    > help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
    >
    > http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  3. On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:08:58 -0700, Rufio <[email protected]> wrote:

    .Mikey - you little snuggle-bunny you. . .Are you out of rehab, on parole, reclassified sane or did
    your mummy .just give you internet rights back ? . .Well, while you've been away, I've been becoming
    much more active .off-road with my mountain bike (which I only started riding, because .you
    attracted my interest to it). . .Thanks again. . .TTFN.

    Did you say something?
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  4. On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:36:39 GMT, "Rosco" <[email protected]> wrote:

    . ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    .news:[email protected]... .> On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:18:59 -0800, "Jeff
    Strickland" <[email protected]> .wrote: .> .> .

    .> . .> .Can you imagine that Mike Vandeman is able to cancel highway projects? .That .> .is
    astounding if you stop to think of the implications of it. Of course, .he .> .got the Sierra Club to
    actually stop the highway projects, and the Sierra .> .Club has disowned him since then, but it is
    still astounding that someone .so .> .blatantly ignorant of reality can accomplish this sort of
    thing. .> .> That simply shows how far off you are. By the way, NO mountain bikers .helped .> stop
    any highway projects. . .None that you know of ...............LIAR

    Since I was the ONLY person protesting, it was easy to tell. DUH!
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  5. "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:18:59 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    >
    > .

    > . .Can you imagine that Mike Vandeman is able to cancel highway projects?
    That
    > .is astounding if you stop to think of the implications of it. Of course,
    he
    > .got the Sierra Club to actually stop the highway projects, and the Sierra .Club has disowned him
    > since then, but it is still astounding that someone
    so
    > .blatantly ignorant of reality can accomplish this sort of thing.
    >
    > That simply shows how far off you are. By the way, NO mountain bikers
    helped
    > stop any highway projects.

    Maybe because mountain bikers are the people sitting in gridlock because there hasn't been a new
    highway built in this state for as long as anybody can remember.

    I think there is a middle ground to look at when highway construction and habitat collide. I think
    we can, and should, look at building highways from the housing centers to the job centers that go
    for tens of miles without exit ramps. I think we can, and should, build highways that are raised
    over small canyons and gullies instead of filling in these dips in the landscape so the highway
    can be flat.

    It makes perfect sense to me that when we build new housing centers that are removed from the jobs
    by 50 or 60 miles, then we need transportation infrastructure to carry the residents of these
    centers back and forth to work.
     
  6. Why are you persona non grata at the Sierra Club then?
     
  7. Mike Romain

    Mike Romain Guest

    Mike Vandeman wrote:
    >
    By the way, NO mountain bikers
    > .helped .> stop any highway projects. . .None that you know of ...............LIAR
    >
    > Since I was the ONLY person protesting, it was easy to tell. DUH!

    ROTFLMAO!!!

    Mike, that is just too good!

    The rest of the world must be wrong then if you are the only one right, right?....

    I know you won't see this, too bad but you said you kill filed me remember?

    Mike
    86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
     
  8. R.White

    R.White Guest

    "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    >
    > Can you imagine that Mike Vandeman is able to cancel highway projects? That is astounding if you
    > stop to think of the implications of it. Of course, he got the Sierra Club to actually stop the
    > highway projects, and the Sierra Club has disowned him since then, but it is still astounding that
    > someone so blatantly ignorant of reality can accomplish this sort of thing.

    Except I have seen zero proof that Mike has accomplished anything.
     
  9. Rosco

    Rosco Guest

    "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:36:39 GMT, "Rosco" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > . ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > .news:[email protected]... .> On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:18:59 -0800, "Jeff
    > Strickland"
    <[email protected]>
    > .wrote: .> .> .

    > .> . .> .Can you imagine that Mike Vandeman is able to cancel highway projects? .That .> .is
    > astounding if you stop to think of the implications of it. Of
    course,
    > .he .> .got the Sierra Club to actually stop the highway projects, and the
    Sierra
    > .> .Club has disowned him since then, but it is still astounding that
    someone
    > .so .> .blatantly ignorant of reality can accomplish this sort of thing. .> .> That simply shows
    > how far off you are. By the way, NO mountain bikers .helped .> stop any highway projects. . .None
    > that you know of ...............LIAR
    >
    > Since I was the ONLY person protesting, it was easy to tell. DUH!

    I find it amazing that highway projects have been cancelled through public presure in my neck of the
    woods and believe it or not, you were not there. As to whether or not anyone was a mountain biker, I
    don't know because I didn't ask.

    It's been fun watching your nonesense once again, but as I said before, IT SUCKS TO BE YOU.

    PLUNK

    > ===
    > I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    > help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
    >
    > http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  10. On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 09:09:42 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote:

    . .Why are you persona non grata at the Sierra Club then?

    You just lied again.
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  11. On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:41:27 -0500, Mike Romain <[email protected]> wrote:

    .Mike Vandeman wrote: .>
    . By the way, NO mountain bikers .> .helped .> .> stop any highway projects. .> . .> .None that you
    know of ...............LIAR .> .> Since I was the ONLY person protesting, it was easy to tell.
    DUH! . .ROTFLMAO!!! . .Mike, that is just too good! . .The rest of the world must be wrong then if
    you are the only one right, .right?.... . .I know you won't see this, too bad but you said you
    kill filed me .remember?

    You are lyng.

    .Mike .86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 .88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  12. On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 09:08:40 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote:

    . ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    .news:[email protected]... .> On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:18:59 -0800, "Jeff
    Strickland" <[email protected]> .wrote: .> .> .

    .> . .> .Can you imagine that Mike Vandeman is able to cancel highway projects? .That .> .is
    astounding if you stop to think of the implications of it. Of course, .he .> .got the Sierra Club to
    actually stop the highway projects, and the Sierra .> .Club has disowned him since then, but it is
    still astounding that someone .so .> .blatantly ignorant of reality can accomplish this sort of
    thing. .> .> That simply shows how far off you are. By the way, NO mountain bikers .helped .> stop
    any highway projects. . .Maybe because mountain bikers are the people sitting in gridlock because
    .there hasn't been a new highway built in this state for as long as anybody .can remember.

    Yeah, they all drive cars to get their bike to the trailhead. Hypocrites.

    .I think there is a middle ground to look at when highway construction and .habitat collide. I think
    we can, and should, look at building highways from .the housing centers to the job centers that go
    for tens of miles without .exit ramps. I think we can, and should, build highways that are raised
    over .small canyons and gullies instead of filling in these dips in the landscape .so the highway
    can be flat.

    We don't need one square inch of more pavement. Idiot.

    .It makes perfect sense to me that when we build new housing centers that are .removed from the jobs
    by 50 or 60 miles, then we need transportation .infrastructure to carry the residents of these
    centers back and forth to .work.

    We shouldn't be building sprawl. Period. Idiot.
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  13. On 12 Feb 2004 15:11:24 -0800, [email protected] (R.White) wrote:

    ."Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    .> .> Can you imagine that Mike Vandeman is able to cancel highway projects? That .> is astounding
    if you stop to think of the implications of it. Of course, he .> got the Sierra Club to actually
    stop the highway projects, and the Sierra .> Club has disowned him since then, but it is still
    astounding that someone so .> blatantly ignorant of reality can accomplish this sort of thing. .
    .Except I have seen zero proof that Mike has accomplished anything.

    Do you see any bikes in EBMUD watershed lands? No. That was partly doe to me.
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  14. S O R N I

    S O R N I Guest

    Mike Vandeman wrote:
    >
    > Do you see any bikes in EBMUD watershed lands? No. That was partly doe to me. ===

    And you make an entire post to point out Blaine's silly typo.

    HYPOCRITE!!!

    Bill "Mike is Bambi" S.
     
  15. "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 09:08:40 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    >
    > . ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > .news:[email protected]... .> On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:18:59 -0800, "Jeff
    > Strickland"
    <[email protected]>
    > .wrote: .> .> .

    > .> . .> .Can you imagine that Mike Vandeman is able to cancel highway projects? .That .> .is
    > astounding if you stop to think of the implications of it. Of
    course,
    > .he .> .got the Sierra Club to actually stop the highway projects, and the
    Sierra
    > .> .Club has disowned him since then, but it is still astounding that
    someone
    > .so .> .blatantly ignorant of reality can accomplish this sort of thing. .> .> That simply shows
    > how far off you are. By the way, NO mountain bikers .helped .> stop any highway projects. . .Maybe
    > because mountain bikers are the people sitting in gridlock because .there hasn't been a new
    > highway built in this state for as long as
    anybody
    > .can remember.
    >
    > Yeah, they all drive cars to get their bike to the trailhead. Hypocrites.
    >

    Or they drive cars to get to their JOBS.

    > .I think there is a middle ground to look at when highway construction and .habitat collide. I
    > think we can, and should, look at building highways
    from
    > .the housing centers to the job centers that go for tens of miles without .exit ramps. I think we
    > can, and should, build highways that are raised
    over
    > .small canyons and gullies instead of filling in these dips in the
    landscape
    > .so the highway can be flat.
    >
    > We don't need one square inch of more pavement. Idiot.
    >
    Yeah, right. Idiot.

    > .It makes perfect sense to me that when we build new housing centers that
    are
    > .removed from the jobs by 50 or 60 miles, then we need transportation .infrastructure to carry the
    > residents of these centers back and forth to .work.
    >
    > We shouldn't be building sprawl. Period. Idiot.

    What else would you build then?

    You have zillions of complaints, but not one single solution except to exterminate the human race.
     
  16. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:02:32 -0500, "Baldesh" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > . ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > .news:[email protected]... .> On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:48:40 -0000, "Alan
    > Poots" <[email protected]> .wrote: .> .> .I foolishly got involved, even though i said to myself
    > i would not. .> .I hope now to leave the world of Mike V behind me. .> .> Yeah, just when you are
    > proven wrong.... .> === .> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to .>
    > humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 .> years fighting auto dependence
    > and road construction.) . .How successful were your efforts?
    >
    > I got the Sierra Club to file suit, and stopped four highway projects, but
    only
    > temporarily, since Judge Thelton Henderson didn't have the guts to do what
    is
    > right.
    >

    Would that be the same Sierra Club that has sent you packing?
     
  17. > Would that be the same Sierra Club that has sent you packing?
    >
    >
    That depends on what the meaning of is is. Of course, Mike is going to present himself as a welcome
    member of the SC, yet it is widely known that he was expelled from the leadership of that
    organization. It strikes me as somewhat humorous that Mike is too extreme for the Sierra Club.
     
  18. Bb

    Bb Guest

    On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:51:04 GMT, S o r n i wrote:
    >
    > And you make an entire post to point out Blaine's silly typo.
    >
    > HYPOCRITE!!!

    He's not just a hypocrite, he's also an idiot. I INTENTIONALLY don't have my address match a string
    in my sig - just an additional step to keep the spambots away. It does tend to confuse the really
    stupid people, who assume everything that they can't figure out is a mistake on someone else's part.
    I just consider that a side benefit. :)

    --
    -BB- To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)
     
  19. Gary S .

    Gary S . Guest

    On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:37:15 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> Would that be the same Sierra Club that has sent you packing?
    >>
    >That depends on what the meaning of is is. Of course, Mike is going to present himself as a welcome
    >member of the SC, yet it is widely known that he was expelled from the leadership of that
    >organization. It strikes me as somewhat humorous that Mike is too extreme for the Sierra Club.

    Specifically, Mikey was removed and permanently banned from any elected or appointed leadership
    position by the national Sierra Club Board of Directors for "Breach of Leadership Trust" or BOLT, in
    the Spring of last year. This followed similar action by his local chapter.

    Published minutes of SC meetings include this. As is typical in volunteer organizations, actions
    involving disciplinary action are handled in closed session, and not fully spelled out in the
    minutes except for the final resolution.

    He tried to get another volunteer SC member (with whom he disagreed) fired from his job, and that
    was the specific justification for this action.

    They also considered revoking his Sierra Club membership, but have not yet done so. If he continues
    to represent himself as the Chair (or former Chair) of the Wildlife Subcommittee of the Sierra Club,
    this could be revisited.

    The word from SC Club members who know of him is that he is considered a joke.

    Apparently the Wildlife Subcommittee is now defunct.

    Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear)
    ------------------------------------------------
    at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

    Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom
     
  20. B. Lafferty

    B. Lafferty Guest

    "Jason" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    > "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:00:28 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    > >
    > > . ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > .news:[email protected]... .> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:49:27 -0800, "Jeff
    > > Strickland"
    > <[email protected]>
    > > .wrote: .> .> . .> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message .>
    > > .news:[email protected]... .> .> .Since you have shown on this board
    > > that you like to stereotype .mountain .> .> .bikers .> .> .> .> It's called "observation". Just
    > > like science, it is valid to
    > generalize
    > > .> .from a .> .> large sample. .> .> .> . .> .Why are observations just like science when you
    > > make them, but lies
    > when
    > > .> .anybody else makes them? .> .> Because you LIE. DUH! .> .And you don't?
    > >
    > > No, I always tell the truth, something you guys should try.
    > >
    >
    > Thats a lie right there, Mike Vandeman, Ph.D. the professor of LIES! More proof of what a LIAR you
    > are. DUH!

    I haven't poked around here in a couple of years, since the helmet wars. I see MV is still rolling
    around the universe. Kind of makes me wish the Bushman would declare him an enemy combatant and ship
    him off to Gitmo for 20 years or so. But no..............

    I do have two questions:

    1. Does MV teach at an accredited institution of higher learning?
    2. How many news groups has he been banned from?
     
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