Time Pedals -- Impact vs. Equipe

"judibob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Well, OK, I'm a believer. I posted here a couple of weeks ago about the demise of the Time pedal
design, and the fact that I have always used Time because of it's low spindle height & nice large
platform. Well, now, all of my opinion that follows is based on a 1-hour roller ride just now
(nice 28 degrees & snow here today). But, these new Impact pedals are nice. I didn't get any real
feedback

from

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others out there, so I bought a pair of Northwave Genetix shoes (because their advertised thin
sole caught my eye) and a pair of Impacts. I after

20

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minutes or so making a new set of custom orthodics for the new shoes by taping cut-up pieces of an
old inner tube on the bottom of the insoles

(does

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anybody else do that?) I clipped into the pedals just fine. They feel

just

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like the old Times. Still not used to how tiny they look though. They feel the same while
pedalling - I just left the factory settings for

Q

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& unclipping angle, etc. They worked just fine. I had to check out the foot-to-spindle centerline
distance. I know my old Carnacs figure, since I drilled a hole in them way back when

&

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measured the thickness through the sole to the platform surface. They are
24.4mm with the second generation Times, and 25.4mm with the first gen Times. I also have some old
data from a Zinn study and he shows the original Time pedals with Time shoes as being 22.5mm.
Now, with the advertised 6.8mm sole thickness of the Genetix, along with

the

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scaled thickness of the Impact cleat (4.6mm) and the advertised 7.7mm bioposition of the Impact
pedals, I come up with a foot-to-spindle

distance

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of 19.1mm! Neat! And, I would have to say it felt that way on the rollers, as I was not bunched at
all, and actually felt a bit more stretched out if anything. So, just wanted to share that. I'm a
believer, and think Time has done a great job on this design. I'll still keep my old Times until
they wear out (they never will) but I

may

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buy another set or two of the new Impacts as well. Bob

I've had Time Pedals since the late 80's and still race with them. The biggest problem I've had is
pulling out in sprints. I nearly took down the announcers stand after pulling out in a prime a few
years ago. I wonder if the "new" design is less succeptible to cleat wear. I've had trouble finding
the "medal" front cleat as I just can't stay connected using that stupid plastic design. Is the
cleat design the same? Is it plastic? Is it better than the old design?

Danny Callen

Hello,

First to respond to your question: no, the front plate is plastic on the new impacts. I too like the
steel on the old ones, and have lkept-over steel cleats from years ago when they were the norm.

Now, as for the impacts themselves! I cannot get the left pedal to work without pulling out my foot
upon applying a bit of up-pedal pressure. My foot pulls out with the normal pedal action, and this
is with me in the saddle on a trainer! I don't have a weird pedal action, and I have never pulled
out of the old time pedasl.

The right pedal is OK. Does anybody have any idea, before I throw these pedals back to the shop and
ask for a refund?

Someone mentioned the release angle, but this is not mentioned on my instrustions. I have the [censored].
mag model. Can someone exaplain if this is adjustable with this model and could this be my
explanation? If so, how do I adjust the release angle?

/Francis.

"Danny Callen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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"judibob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Well, OK, I'm a believer. I posted here a couple of weeks ago about the demise of the Time pedal
design, and the fact that I have always used Time because of it's low spindle height & nice
large platform. Well, now, all of my opinion that follows is based on a 1-hour roller

ride

Quoted message said:

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just now (nice 28 degrees & snow here today). But, these new Impact pedals are nice. I didn't
get any real feedback

from

Quoted message said:

others out there, so I bought a pair of Northwave Genetix shoes (because their advertised thin
sole caught my eye) and a pair of Impacts. I

after

Quoted message said:

20

Quoted message said:

minutes or so making a new set of custom orthodics for the new shoes by taping cut-up pieces of
an old inner tube on the bottom of the insoles

(does

Quoted message said:

anybody else do that?) I clipped into the pedals just fine. They feel

just

Quoted message said:

like the old Times. Still not used to how tiny they look though. They feel the same while
pedalling - I just left the factory settings

for

Quoted message said:

Q

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& unclipping angle, etc. They worked just fine. I had to check out the foot-to-spindle
centerline distance. I know my old Carnacs figure, since I drilled a hole in them way back

when

Quoted message said:

&

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measured the thickness through the sole to the platform surface. They

are

Quoted message said:

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24.4mm with the second generation Times, and 25.4mm with the first gen Times. I also have some
old data from a Zinn study and he shows the original

Time

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pedals with Time shoes as being 22.5mm. Now, with the advertised 6.8mm sole thickness of the
Genetix, along with

the

Quoted message said:

scaled thickness of the Impact cleat (4.6mm) and the advertised 7.7mm bioposition of the Impact
pedals, I come up with a foot-to-spindle

distance

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of 19.1mm! Neat! And, I would have to say it felt that way on the rollers, as I was not bunched
at all, and actually felt a bit more stretched out if anything. So, just wanted to share that.
I'm a believer, and think Time has done a great job on this design. I'll still keep my old Times
until they wear out (they never will) but I

may

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buy another set or two of the new Impacts as well. Bob

I've had Time Pedals since the late 80's and still race with them. The biggest problem I've had is
pulling out in sprints. I nearly took down the announcers stand after pulling out in a prime a few
years ago. I wonder if the "new" design is less succeptible to cleat wear. I've had trouble

finding

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the "medal" front cleat as I just can't stay connected using that stupid plastic design. Is the
cleat design the same? Is it plastic? Is it better than the old design?

Danny Callen

Actually, the Time pedals, whether new or old, are held to the cleat by the rear brass piece. The
front piece, whether the original Aluminum (not steel as in the previous post) or the later plastic,
is only a guide for clipping
in. I have stocked up on the aluminum front pieces as well, simply because they don't wear out as
fast. If you have a problem pulling out, check your rear (brass) cleat piece. On badly worn
cleats, you will notice the place where the steel spring rides against it, and over time
(sorry) will wear into the brass. On the back of the cleat (the original now, not Impact) you
will get a nice cylinder worn in - right where it contacts the spring. As this gets deeper, the
spring load goes down since the spring is not preloaded as far, and your hold-in force will be
less. Check your brass cleat, in the back, for this wear point. You may need to replace that
one. Also check the front tooth. The second generation cleats have a smaller tooth, but release
both ways. The original cleat had a release only to the outside, but also had a larger
interface with the pedal through a larger lip, which seems to result in better hold-in. As I
have just gotten a set of Impacts, I don't have any experience with the wear characteristics of
this design yet. The new Imapct cleat uses the same concept as the Equipe. The rear brass piece
is still brass, but the locking and camming sides are reversed from the original design; and is
quite smaller. They also use a square wire spring instead of the original round wire, and
results in higher spring force density -- equal spring force can be packaged in a smaller
volume. The release angles can be set to 13 or 17 degrees, and is adjustable by switching the
cleats left to right. Notice the 13 & 17 notations on the bottom. The number you put to the
outside of the shoe is the one that corresponds to the release angle. Also, you have the hex
drive in the side that adjusts the preload on the helical torsion spring on the rear cleat
piece. Adjusting this up or down corresponds to an adjustment in the clamping force of the
spring. As a suggestion to the people coming out of the pedals by mistake, maybe try playing
with either of these two variables. It may help. Also, the Q setting can be changed by playing
with the small steel piece inside the pedal where the brass cleat goes in. That may change the
way the pedals perform for you as well. Good luck! Bob