Time to build some new wheels - opinions sought.

Discussion in 'Mountain Bikes' started by Jonesy, Jun 10, 2004.

  1. Jonesy

    Jonesy Guest

    OK, so now that we know not to buy Mavic rims or Shimano hubs, this
    wheelbuild becomes a little bit of uncharted territory. I have not
    yet decided which hubs - DT Hugi Onyx disc or Hope Bulb disc. Maybe
    an equivalent quality hub, at a smaller cost? I like my Deore disc
    hubs, but they are a product of the evil Big S, so they're on the way
    out. :)

    Next comes rims. I know that some folks run Sun-Ringle rims,
    and those might be OK for XC/Clydesdale. I looked also at
    Atomlabs, but their lightest rim is 700g! Holy crap - I'm
    not on a DH rig here. I'm willing to sacrifice some
    durabilty for light weight, but would rather compromise on
    the weight/durability rather than go to the extreme on
    either. WTB has some disc-specific rims that look like they
    may fit the bill, but I have no data on how durable their
    rim product is. I like their tires, however.

    I don't mind spending a little extra to get lighter and
    stronger. Since this is for an XC disk-brake bike, I would
    probably go for a slightly more durable product over a
    slightly lighter one, just to be on the safe side.

    The spokes will be DB 14-15-14 Wheelsmith or DT Swiss.
    Whatever I can get cheapest, quickest in the proper length.
    Brass nipples.

    And this will be a conventional (not "tubless" [sic])
    wheelset.)

    TIA,
    --
    Jonesy
     
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    <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (Jonesy) wrote:

    >
    >
    > OK, so now that we know not to buy Mavic rims or Shimano
    > hubs, this wheelbuild becomes a little bit of uncharted
    > territory. I have not yet decided which hubs - DT Hugi
    > Onyx disc or Hope Bulb disc. Maybe an equivalent quality
    > hub, at a smaller cost? I like my Deore disc hubs, but
    > they are a product of the evil Big S, so they're on the
    > way out. :)
    >
    > Next comes rims. I know that some folks run Sun-Ringle
    > rims, and those might be OK for XC/Clydesdale. I looked
    > also at Atomlabs, but their lightest rim is 700g! Holy
    > crap - I'm not on a DH rig here. I'm willing to sacrifice
    > some durabilty for light weight, but would rather
    > compromise on the weight/durability rather than go to the
    > extreme on either. WTB has some disc-specific rims that
    > look like they may fit the bill, but I have no data on how
    > durable their rim product is. I like their tires, however.
    >
    > I don't mind spending a little extra to get lighter and
    > stronger. Since this is for an XC disk-brake bike, I would
    > probably go for a slightly more durable product over a
    > slightly lighter one, just to be on the safe side.
    >
    > The spokes will be DB 14-15-14 Wheelsmith or DT Swiss.
    > Whatever I can get cheapest, quickest in the proper
    > length. Brass nipples.
    >
    > And this will be a conventional (not "tubless" [sic])
    > wheelset.)
    >
    > TIA,
    > --
    > Jonesy

    I've had good service out of my ryno lite/ xt/ wheelsmith
    wheel set that I built according to Jobst's book. I'm well
    into the clydesdale range. I don't know about disk
    specific rims.

    Paul
     
  3. Ride-A-Lot

    Ride-A-Lot Guest

    Jonesy wrote:
    > OK, so now that we know not to buy Mavic rims or Shimano
    > hubs, this wheelbuild becomes a little bit of uncharted
    > territory. I have not yet decided which hubs - DT Hugi
    > Onyx disc or Hope Bulb disc. Maybe an equivalent quality
    > hub, at a smaller cost? I like my Deore disc hubs, but
    > they are a product of the evil Big S, so they're on the
    > way out. :)
    >
    > Next comes rims. I know that some folks run Sun-Ringle
    > rims, and those might be OK for XC/Clydesdale. I looked
    > also at Atomlabs, but their lightest rim is 700g! Holy
    > crap - I'm not on a DH rig here. I'm willing to sacrifice
    > some durabilty for light weight, but would rather
    > compromise on the weight/durability rather than go to the
    > extreme on either. WTB has some disc-specific rims that
    > look like they may fit the bill, but I have no data on how
    > durable their rim product is. I like their tires, however.
    >
    > I don't mind spending a little extra to get lighter and
    > stronger. Since this is for an XC disk-brake bike, I would
    > probably go for a slightly more durable product over a
    > slightly lighter one, just to be on the safe side.
    >
    > The spokes will be DB 14-15-14 Wheelsmith or DT Swiss.
    > Whatever I can get cheapest, quickest in the proper
    > length. Brass nipples.
    >
    > And this will be a conventional (not "tubless" [sic])
    > wheelset.)
    >
    > TIA,

    Rhyno Lites on CK ISO's. Mmmmm.... Sweet as honey!

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws
     
  4. Zeeexsixare

    Zeeexsixare Guest

    > Rhyno Lites on CK ISO's. Mmmmm.... Sweet as honey!

    You could get a lot of honey for the cost of those
    CK's... ;)

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training
     
  5. Ride-A-Lot

    Ride-A-Lot Guest

    ZeeExSixAre wrote:
    >> Rhyno Lites on CK ISO's. Mmmmm.... Sweet as honey!
    >
    > You could get a lot of honey for the cost of those
    > CK's... ;)

    True but none as sweet.
     
  6. Mattb

    Mattb Guest

    ZeeExSixAre wrote:
    >> Rhyno Lites on CK ISO's. Mmmmm.... Sweet as honey!
    >
    > You could get a lot of honey for the cost of those
    > CK's... ;)

    I briefly considered them for my recent new wheelset, but
    when you can build up two sets of nice wheels for the
    difference in price between CK and other quality hubs, I
    just couldn't stomach it!

    Would be cool though.

    My brother has CK hubs on his Karate Monkey. He bought the
    whole bike (with XTR cranks and brakes, CK headset, Easton,
    etc) for just slightly more than what the hubs alone would
    cost new. I need to find something like that!

    Matt
     
  7. Ride-A-Lot

    Ride-A-Lot Guest

    MattB wrote:
    > ZeeExSixAre wrote:
    >>> Rhyno Lites on CK ISO's. Mmmmm.... Sweet as honey!
    >>
    >> You could get a lot of honey for the cost of those
    >> CK's... ;)
    >
    > I briefly considered them for my recent new wheelset, but
    > when you can build up two sets of nice wheels for the
    > difference in price between CK and other quality hubs, I
    > just couldn't stomach it!
    >
    > Would be cool though.
    >
    > My brother has CK hubs on his Karate Monkey. He bought the
    > whole bike (with XTR cranks and brakes, CK headset,
    > Easton, etc) for just slightly more than what the hubs
    > alone would cost new. I need to find something like that!
    >
    > Matt

    You just have to be at the right place at the right time.
    CK's are easy enough to rebuild so if you find some poor
    shlub who thinks he killed his, you can get them dirt cheap.
    I agree $400+ for a hub is a bit ridiculous, but they are a
    work of art. They are so smooth and the machining is
    perfection. I went from an XTR hub to the CK's and there is
    a world of difference.
     
  8. Jd

    Jd Guest

  9. .
    "Jonesy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > OK, so now that we know not to buy Mavic rims or Shimano
    > hubs, this wheelbuild becomes a little bit of uncharted
    > territory. I have not yet decided which hubs - DT Hugi
    > Onyx disc or Hope Bulb disc. Maybe an equivalent quality
    > hub, at a smaller cost? I like my Deore disc hubs, but
    > they are a product of the evil Big S, so they're on the
    > way out. :)
    >
    > Next comes rims. I know that some folks run Sun-Ringle
    > rims, and those might be OK for XC/Clydesdale. I looked
    > also at Atomlabs, but their lightest rim is 700g! Holy
    > crap - I'm not on a DH rig here. I'm willing to sacrifice
    > some durabilty for light weight, but would rather
    > compromise on the weight/durability rather than go to the
    > extreme on either. WTB has some disc-specific rims that
    > look like they may fit the bill, but I have no data on how
    > durable their rim product is. I like their tires, however.
    >
    > I don't mind spending a little extra to get lighter and
    > stronger. Since this is for an XC disk-brake bike, I would
    > probably go for a slightly more durable product over a
    > slightly lighter one, just to be on the safe side.
    >
    > The spokes will be DB 14-15-14 Wheelsmith or DT Swiss.
    > Whatever I can get cheapest, quickest in the proper
    > length. Brass nipples.
    >
    > And this will be a conventional (not "tubless" [sic])
    > wheelset.)
    >
    > TIA,
    > --
    > Jonesy

    Oh No! Now you tell me .......... &^@&#!&^%@

    I've got two sets of disk wheels with Mavic rims and Shimano
    hubs. Probably have a few thousand miles between them.

    Jonesy says I should not have bought them ;-( Anyone want to
    buy them. Please. Help Meeeeeeeeee

    --
    DTW .../\.../\.../\...

    I've spent most of my money on mountain biking and windsurfing.
    The rest I've just wasted
     
  10. Mojo Deluxe

    Mojo Deluxe Guest

    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > MattB wrote:
    > > ZeeExSixAre wrote:
    > >>> Rhyno Lites on CK ISO's. Mmmmm.... Sweet as honey!
    > >>
    > >> You could get a lot of honey for the cost of those
    > >> CK's... ;)
    > >
    > > I briefly considered them for my recent new wheelset,
    > > but when you can build up two sets of nice wheels for
    > > the difference in price between CK and other quality
    > > hubs, I just couldn't stomach it!
    > >
    > > Would be cool though.
    > >
    > > My brother has CK hubs on his Karate Monkey. He bought
    > > the whole bike (with XTR cranks and brakes, CK
    > > headset, Easton, etc) for just slightly more than what
    > > the hubs alone would cost new. I need to find
    > > something like that!
    > >
    > > Matt
    >
    > You just have to be at the right place at the right time.
    > CK's are easy enough to rebuild so if you find some poor
    > shlub who thinks he killed his, you can get them dirt
    > cheap. I agree $400+ for a hub is a bit ridiculous, but
    > they are a work of art. They are so smooth and the
    > machining is perfection. I went from an XTR hub to the
    > CK's and there is a world of difference.
    >
    I love my CK ISOs, and Mavic X3.1 wheelset. The CKs are a
    breeze to adjust.
     
  11. Bill Wheeler

    Bill Wheeler Guest

    On 10 Jun 2004 11:03:41 -0700, [email protected]
    (Jonesy) wrote: [snip]

    >WTB has some disc-specific rims that look like they may fit
    >the bill, but I have no data on how durable their rim
    >product is.

    WTB's work for me speed disc or something like that.

    >
    >I don't mind spending a little extra to get lighter and
    >stronger. Since this is for an XC disk-brake bike, I would
    >probably go for a slightly more durable product over a
    >slightly lighter one, just to be on the safe side.

    The real strength/durability of your wheel will come from
    how well they're laced. Yes a stronger rim will help but a
    good lacing job will help more.

    Also I had very good results with Sun RhynoLites hoops.

    >
    >The spokes will be DB 14-15-14 Wheelsmith or DT Swiss.
    >Whatever I can get cheapest, quickest in the proper length.
    >Brass nipples.

    3x or 4x? Lace them well, take your time, stress relieve,
    true, stress relieve, true.........over and over again,
    don't rush this process.

    >
    >And this will be a conventional (not "tubless" [sic])
    >wheelset.)

    Get some wheel building books/info. Start with Sheldon
    Brown, Zinn and the ....., Jobst Brandt....
    >
    >TIA,

    Peace and good luck.

    Bill

    The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a
    reflector, that is, the mind should give an immediate view
    instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]
     
  12. Jonesy

    Jonesy Guest

    [email protected] (JD) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > [email protected] (Jonesy) wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > OK, so now that we know not to buy Mavic rims<snip>
    >
    > That's funny.

    Not really. Remember this?

    http://tinyurl.com/2vhpg

    Sure, it was a cheapo X223 wheel, but still...

    Plus, they are French. Some folks care, some don't.

    I do.
    --
    Jonesy

    P.S. You send me the money to buy some X618s, and I'll be
    happy to use them until they wear out.
     
  13. Slacker

    Slacker Guest

    Jonesy wrote:

    > OK, so now that we know not to buy Mavic rims
    >
    >
    Who's, we? You got a frog in your pocket or are you taking
    French lessons?!?!?

    --
    Slacker
     
  14. Jonesy

    Jonesy Guest

    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > MattB wrote:
    > > ZeeExSixAre wrote:
    > >>> Rhyno Lites on CK ISO's. Mmmmm.... Sweet as honey!
    > >>
    > >> You could get a lot of honey for the cost of those
    > >> CK's... ;)
    > >
    > > I briefly considered them for my recent new wheelset,
    > > but when you can build up two sets of nice wheels for
    > > the difference in price between CK and other quality
    > > hubs, I just couldn't stomach it!
    > >
    > > Would be cool though.
    > >
    > > My brother has CK hubs on his Karate Monkey. He bought
    > > the whole bike (with XTR cranks and brakes, CK
    > > headset, Easton, etc) for just slightly more than what
    > > the hubs alone would cost new. I need to find
    > > something like that!

    > >
    > > Matt
    >
    > You just have to be at the right place at the right time.
    > CK's are easy enough to rebuild so if you find some poor
    > shlub who thinks he killed his, you can get them dirt
    > cheap. I agree $400+ for a hub is a bit ridiculous, but
    > they are a work of art. They are so smooth and the
    > machining is perfection. I went from an XTR hub to the
    > CK's and there is a world of difference.

    I'm not buying CK hubs. Too much dough.

    I will agree - they are very sweet. If I could get them for
    half price, I'd be all over it.
    --
    Jonesy
     
  15. "Jonesy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > OK, so now that we know not to buy Mavic rims or Shimano
    > hubs, this wheelbuild becomes a little bit of uncharted
    > territory.

    ???

    > I have not yet decided which hubs - DT Hugi Onyx disc or
    > Hope Bulb disc. Maybe an equivalent quality hub, at a
    > smaller cost? I like my Deore disc hubs, but they are a
    > product of the evil Big S, so they're on the way out. :)

    Either set of hubs would do a great job, the bolb version of
    hope hubs can be changed to bolt-through versions with an
    adaptor if that makes any difference.

    If you want to avoid Mavic for some reason then DT have some
    nice rims http://www.dtswiss.com/index.asp?fuseaction=rims.-
    bikedetail&id=1

    Steve.

    Steve.
     
  16. Jimbo(san)

    Jimbo(san) New Member

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    <Originally posted by Jonesy
    Plus, they are French. Some folks care, some don't.

    I do.
    --
    Jonesy>

    Actually THAT is funny!!!


    Jimbo...Freedom Fried....(san)
     
  17. Jonesy

    Jonesy Guest

    Bill Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > On 10 Jun 2004 11:03:41 -0700, bee[email protected]
    > (Jonesy) wrote: [snip]
    >
    > >WTB has some disc-specific rims that look like they may
    > >fit the bill, but I have no data on how durable their rim
    > >product is.
    >
    > WTB's work for me speed disc or something like that.

    I think they call them Laserdisc now, but yup, those
    are the ones.

    > >I don't mind spending a little extra to get lighter and
    > >stronger. Since this is for an XC disk-brake bike, I
    > >would probably go for a slightly more durable product
    > >over a slightly lighter one, just to be on the safe side.
    >
    > The real strength/durability of your wheel will come from
    > how well they're laced. Yes a stronger rim will help but a
    > good lacing job will help more.

    It's gonna be 36-spoke, 3- or 4-cross

    > Also I had very good results with Sun RhynoLites hoops.

    I have heard nothing but good things about those rims. They
    are a little more than I need for XC, but it's hard to argue
    against durability.

    > >The spokes will be DB 14-15-14 Wheelsmith or DT Swiss.
    > >Whatever I can get cheapest, quickest in the proper
    > >length. Brass nipples.
    >
    > >
    > >And this will be a conventional (not "tubless" [sic])
    > >wheelset.)
    >
    > Get some wheel building books/info. Start with Sheldon
    > Brown, Zinn and the ....., Jobst Brandt....

    Got Brandt and Zinn, printed SB's stuff - I'm good to go.

    > Peace and good luck.

    Nice. :)
    --
    Jonesy
     
  18. Jonesy

    Jonesy Guest

    "D T W .../\\..." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    >
    > Oh No! Now you tell me .......... &^@&#!&^%@

    Sorry I wasn't there for you sooner...

    > I've got two sets of disk wheels with Mavic rims and
    > Shimano hubs. Probably have a few thousand miles
    > between them.

    I've got a secret - don't tell ANYONE - me too. They've
    worked just fine.

    > Jonesy says I should not have bought them ;-( Anyone want
    > to buy them. Please. Help Meeeeeeeeee

    LOL. Run what works for you. It's your money.
    --
    Jonesy
     
  19. Jonesy

    Jonesy Guest

    Slacker <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Jonesy wrote:
    >
    > > OK, so now that we know not to buy Mavic rims
    > >
    > >
    > Who's, we?

    The royal We. As in "Our wheels do not please Us. We need to
    get different ones." That "We".

    > You got a frog in your pocket or are you taking French
    > lessons?!?!?

    I think that's spelt "oui", and if you want to talk about
    animal fetishes, you'll have to get ahold of Sorni or Baker.
    They're the experts.
    --
    Jonesy
     
  20. Jonesy

    Jonesy Guest

    "spademan o---[\) *" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > "Jonesy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > OK, so now that we know not to buy Mavic rims or Shimano
    > > hubs, this wheelbuild becomes a little bit of uncharted
    > > territory.
    >
    > ???
    >
    > > I have not
    > > yet decided which hubs - DT Hugi Onyx disc or Hope Bulb
    > > disc. Maybe an equivalent quality hub, at a smaller
    > > cost? I like my Deore disc hubs, but they are a product
    > > of the evil Big S, so they're on the way out. :)
    >
    > Either set of hubs would do a great job, the bolb version
    > of hope hubs can be changed to bolt-through versions with
    > an adaptor if that makes any difference.

    I saw that. Might be good for a bolt-thru front axle set-up
    to address the front wheel/disk brake ejection issue.
    Something to think about.

    > If you want to avoid Mavic for some reason then DT have
    > some nice rims http://www.dtswiss.com/index.asp?fuseactio-
    > n=rims.bikedetail&id=1

    I saw those too. I have a set of X223s on right now, and if
    Mr. Jozwik's experience is typical, then I'd like to stay
    away from those guys. Going Shitmano-free is just a personal
    preference. :) Seriously, having the rim break while JRA
    would kinda suck. And then to have Mavic say "tough shit,
    pal" would suck even more.

    Thanks for the info,
    --
    Jonesy
     
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