Time Trial Timing Question

[Jamie Thingelstad]

What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in an ITT stage? Has
this ever happened? Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds
and made me wonder "what if?"

Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming there is a sensor
somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that starts the clock?

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[Arthur Harris]

"Jamie Thingelstad" wrote:
> Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds

Do you mean Cancellara and Armstrong? They were separated by 2 seconds.

Art Harris

 

[Stewart Fleming]

Arthur Harris wrote:
> "Jamie Thingelstad" wrote:
>
>>Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds
>
>
> Do you mean Cancellara and Armstrong? They were separated by 2 seconds.

2 seconds in time or 2 seconds of arc?

 

[NobodyMan]

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:26:14 GMT, "Jamie Thingelstad"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in an ITT stage? Has
>this ever happened? Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds
>and made me wonder "what if?"
>
>Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming there is a sensor
>somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that starts the clock?

The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It makes no
difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask Pedro Delgado in 89. His
clock started and he wasn't even up on the ramp ready to start. Once
he did show up he was already several minutes into his time trial even
though he hadn't even started to ride yet.

 

[Jiyang Chen]

I think Zubeldia and Ullrich had the same time last year.

Jiyang
"Jamie Thingelstad" <[email protected]>
wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in an ITT
stage? Has
> this ever happened? Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02
seconds
> and made me wonder "what if?"
>
> Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming there is a
sensor
> somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that starts the clock?
>
> --
> Jamie Thingelstad
> http://www.thingelstad.com/
>
>

 

[John Watson]

"NobodyMan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:26:14 GMT, "Jamie Thingelstad"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in an ITT stage?
>>Has
>>this ever happened? Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02
>>seconds
>>and made me wonder "what if?"
>>
>>Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming there is a
>>sensor
>>somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that starts the clock?
>
> The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It makes no
> difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask Pedro Delgado in 89. His
> clock started and he wasn't even up on the ramp ready to start. Once
> he did show up he was already several minutes into his time trial even
> though he hadn't even started to ride yet.

********!
>

 

[Jamie Thingelstad]

No, further down there were two riders separated by 0.02 seconds during the
broadcast. Can't find it now since all the standings are rounded to the
seconds.

--
Jamie Thingelstad
http://www.thingelstad.com/


"Arthur Harris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Jamie Thingelstad" wrote:
> > Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds
>
> Do you mean Cancellara and Armstrong? They were separated by 2 seconds.
>
> Art Harris
>
>

 

[KenFberg]

>Subject: Re: Time Trial Timing Question
>From: "Jamie Thingelstad" go.to.[email protected]
>Date: 7/3/2004 8:06 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>No, further down there were two riders separated by 0.02 seconds during the
>broadcast. Can't find it now since all the standings are rounded to the
>seconds.

Voight and Pereiro

KF

 

[Amit]

"Jamie Thingelstad" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in an ITT stage? Has
> this ever happened? Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds
> and made me wonder "what if?"
>

they get the same time and they're tied. everyday tt's are timed by
people with stopwatches and they do okay.

> Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming there is a sensor
> somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that starts the clock?

the clock doesn't start, you have to leave at your designated start
time, if you miss it the clock keeps going.

 

[Tom Kunich]

"KenFberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Subject: Re: Time Trial Timing Question
> >From: "Jamie Thingelstad" go.to.[email protected]
> >Date: 7/3/2004 8:06 PM Mountain Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >
> >No, further down there were two riders separated by 0.02 seconds during
the
> >broadcast. Can't find it now since all the standings are rounded to the
> >seconds.
>
> Voight and Pereiro

Hamilton and Levi were on the same second as well.

What happens is that no one cares. They get equal "placings" and the next
guy in line gets 2 down. For instance 4, 5, 5, 7

 

[Tom Kunich]

"John Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:mWIFc.18744$MB3.6613@attbi_s04...
>
> "NobodyMan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:26:14 GMT, "Jamie Thingelstad"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in an ITT stage?
> >>Has
> >>this ever happened? Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02
> >>seconds
> >>and made me wonder "what if?"
> >>
> >>Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming there is a
> >>sensor
> >>somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that starts the clock?
> >
> > The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It makes no
> > difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask Pedro Delgado in 89. His
> > clock started and he wasn't even up on the ramp ready to start. Once
> > he did show up he was already several minutes into his time trial even
> > though he hadn't even started to ride yet.
>
> ********!

I've got it on tape John. Perhaps you'd like to explain what happened then?

 

[warren]

In article <[email protected]>, Tom
Kunich <[email protected]> wrote:

> "John Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:mWIFc.18744$MB3.6613@attbi_s04...
> >
> > "NobodyMan" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> > > The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It makes no
> > > difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask Pedro Delgado in 89. His
> > > clock started and he wasn't even up on the ramp ready to start. Once
> > > he did show up he was already several minutes into his time trial even
> > > though he hadn't even started to ride yet.
> >
> > ********!
>
> I've got it on tape John. Perhaps you'd like to explain what happened then?

John seems certain, but he is wrong. "You can look it up."

Delgado lost near two minutes because he was late for his start-two
minutes that shadowed him throughout that Tour.

-WG

 

[Richard Adams]

warren wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Tom
> Kunich <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"John Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:mWIFc.18744$MB3.6613@attbi_s04...
>>
>>>"NobodyMan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>
>>>>The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It makes no
>>>>difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask Pedro Delgado in 89. His
>>>>clock started and he wasn't even up on the ramp ready to start. Once
>>>>he did show up he was already several minutes into his time trial even
>>>>though he hadn't even started to ride yet.
>>>
>>>********!
>>
>>I've got it on tape John. Perhaps you'd like to explain what happened then?
>
>
> John seems certain, but he is wrong. "You can look it up."
>
> Delgado lost near two minutes because he was late for his start-two
> minutes that shadowed him throughout that Tour.
>
> -WG

Wasn't that because Pedro didn't understand French and was just waiting
and didn't know? Seems his DS would have been all over that, but then
all it takes is one screw up and everybody's now an expert.

 

[Sonarrat]

in article [email protected], Jamie Thingelstad at
go.to.[email protected] wrote on 7/3/04 3:26 PM:

> What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in an ITT stage? Has
> this ever happened? Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds
> and made me wonder "what if?"
>
> Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming there is a sensor
> somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that starts the clock?

That's a good question. If this is not the case, and it starts from the
last beep of the clock, then the thin margin between McGee and Millar last
year might have come down to reaction time, like a drag race.

-Sonarrat.

 

[Steven L. Sheffield]

On 07/03/2004 11:03 PM, in article BD0CDDBE.3E21%[email protected],
"Sonarrat" <[email protected]> wrote:

> in article [email protected], Jamie Thingelstad at
> go.to.[email protected] wrote on 7/3/04 3:26 PM:
>
>> What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in an ITT stage? Has
>> this ever happened? Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds
>> and made me wonder "what if?"
>>
>> Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming there is a sensor
>> somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that starts the clock?
>
> That's a good question. If this is not the case, and it starts from the
> last beep of the clock, then the thin margin between McGee and Millar last
> year might have come down to reaction time, like a drag race.


And the several seconds it took for Millar to get his chain back up on the
ring after it dropped didn't make any difference at all ... Right?



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[alex]

He got lost in the way back from a relax miniride around town before the TT
(in fact I think he just wanted to take a **** in some street corner).

"Richard Adams" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> warren wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>, Tom
> > Kunich <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"John Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:mWIFc.18744$MB3.6613@attbi_s04...
> >>
> >>>"NobodyMan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> >
> >>>>The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It makes no
> >>>>difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask Pedro Delgado in 89. His
> >>>>clock started and he wasn't even up on the ramp ready to start. Once
> >>>>he did show up he was already several minutes into his time trial even
> >>>>though he hadn't even started to ride yet.
> >>>
> >>>********!
> >>
> >>I've got it on tape John. Perhaps you'd like to explain what happened
then?
> >
> >
> > John seems certain, but he is wrong. "You can look it up."
> >
> > Delgado lost near two minutes because he was late for his start-two
> > minutes that shadowed him throughout that Tour.
> >
> > -WG
>
> Wasn't that because Pedro didn't understand French and was just waiting
> and didn't know? Seems his DS would have been all over that, but then
> all it takes is one screw up and everybody's now an expert.
>

 

[Stewart Fleming]

Sonarrat wrote:

> That's a good question. If this is not the case, and it starts from the
> last beep of the clock, then the thin margin between McGee and Millar last
> year might have come down to reaction time, like a drag race.

Front derailleur missing.

 

[kaiser]

Laurent Fignon and Sean Kelly once recorded the same time (right down
to the second) during a time trial in the tour.

Fignon was wearing the yellow jersey (and happened to be French) and
was awarded the victory by something like 1/1000 of a second.

However, the electronic timing equipment was not working that day, and
it is well known that the officials were using hand-held stopwatches
and were not able to record times to the degree of Fignon's victory.

The answer is: Depends on the nationality of the riders in question.



"Jamie Thingelstad" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in an ITT stage? Has
> this ever happened? Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds
> and made me wonder "what if?"
>
> Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming there is a sensor
> somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that starts the clock?