Times article on cycling 20p per mile



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Dirtylitterboxo

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See

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,171-978831,00.html

"MPs put brakes on 20p-a-mile rebate for cyclists"

Widdydoom is her usual self - “It is difficult to see how a cyclist can clock up these sort of
expenses. If it is 20p a mile for a bicycle, how much for roller skates, how much for a pogo stick,
and how much for shoe leather? “I might add that you would not get me weaving through the London
traffic on a bicycle for 50p a mile.”

And Teddy Taylor obviously has little clue about the cost of a decent bike with “I can understand
the Government wanting to encourage cycling, but this is over the top. At 20p a mile you could buy a
dozen new bicycles a year.”

Cheers, helen s

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Tony Raven

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
> See
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,171-978831,00.html
>
> "MPs put brakes on 20p-a-mile rebate for cyclists"
>
> Widdydoom is her usual self - "It is difficult to see how a cyclist can clock up these sort of
> expenses. If it is 20p a mile for a bicycle, how much for roller skates, how much for a pogo
> stick, and how much for shoe leather? "I might add that you would not get me weaving through the
> London traffic on a bicycle for 50p a mile."
>
> And Teddy Taylor obviously has little clue about the cost of a decent bike with "I can understand
> the Government wanting to encourage cycling, but this is over the top. At 20p a mile you could buy
> a dozen new bicycles a year."
>

IIRC the CTC costed cycling at 12p/mi when you take into account wear and tear, maintenance,
clothing, lights etc.

Tony
 
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Dirtylitterboxo

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>IIRC the CTC costed cycling at 12p/mi when you take into account wear and tear, maintenance,
>clothing, lights etc.

So 20p per mile *might* be an incentive to get a few more people out of their pollution-producing
metal boxes a little bit more often, thus helping HMG achieve it's greenhouse gas emission reduction
targets. Seems reasonable to me ;-)

Cheers, helen s

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Richard Bates

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On 27 Jan 2004 08:40:48 GMT, in
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(dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote:
>up these sort of expenses. If it is 20p a mile for a bicycle, how much for roller skates, how much
>for a pogo stick, and how much for shoe leather? “I might add that you would not get me weaving
>through the London traffic on a bicycle for 50p a mile.”

We have alreacy been categorically told by somebody on u.r.d that rollerskates and pogo sticks are
illegal. Now go and sit in the corner ;-)
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Tony Raven

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
>> IIRC the CTC costed cycling at 12p/mi when you take into account wear and tear, maintenance,
>> clothing, lights etc.
>
> So 20p per mile *might* be an incentive to get a few more people out of their pollution-producing
> metal boxes a little bit more often, thus helping HMG achieve it's greenhouse gas emission
> reduction targets. Seems reasonable to me ;-)
>

That's my understanding of the rate. Just the same as they now don't differentiate between small and
large engined cars to encourage you to use the more economical small engined ones. I understand some
hospitals and health authorities have offered 50p to encourage staff to use the healthier option and
improve the authorities image.

Incidentally if your employer won't pay you the 20p rate you can claim the difference between 20p/mi
and what you actually receive on your tax return.

Tony
 
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Pk

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Tony Raven wrote:

>
> Incidentally if your employer won't pay you the 20p rate you can claim the difference between
> 20p/mi and what you actually receive on your tax return.
>

only for buisness miles not for commuting to and from work.

pk
 
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
> See
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,171-978831,00.html
>
> "MPs put brakes on 20p-a-mile rebate for cyclists"
>
> Widdydoom is her usual self - "It is difficult to see how a cyclist can clock up these sort of
> expenses. If it is 20p a mile for a bicycle, how much for roller skates, how much for a pogo
> stick, and how much for shoe leather? "I might add that you would not get me weaving through the
> London traffic on a bicycle for 50p a mile."
>
> And Teddy Taylor obviously has little clue about the cost of a decent bike with "I can understand
> the Government wanting to encourage cycling, but this is over the top. At 20p a mile you could buy
> a dozen new bicycles a year."
>
I think this shows the basic lack of understanding of cycling by those in parliament. We have Boris
Johnson, a keen cyclist, saying he's all for encouraging cycling but not at the taxpayers expense!
What are cycle routes, safety campaigns etc if not that. Good on him not claiming his allowance
though. I fail to see how an MPs cycling allowance of 20p makes ordinary members of the public get
on their bikes. We then have Ann Widdecombe ridiculing cycles by comparing them to "pogo sticks" and
Teddy Taylor with no idea of the cost of bikes - I just calculated £80 each for his 12 bikes on my
commute of 20 miles a day at 20p a mile.

Laughable really.
 
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Zog The Undenia

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:

> See
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,171-978831,00.html
>
> "MPs put brakes on 20p-a-mile rebate for cyclists"
>
> Widdydoom is her usual self - “It is difficult to see how a cyclist can clock up these sort of
> expenses. If it is 20p a mile for a bicycle, how much for roller skates, how much for a pogo
> stick, and how much for shoe leather? “I might add that you would not get me weaving through the
> London traffic on a bicycle for 50p a mile.”

These expenses are rarely claimed though, because they aren't available for travel to work (unless
you officially work from home) and few people would make any other kind of business trip by bike.
Imagine turning up at a client's office and asking where the showers are ;-)
 
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Dirtylitterboxo

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>These expenses are rarely claimed though, because they aren't available for travel to work (unless
>you officially work from home) and few people would make any other kind of business trip by bike.
>Imagine turning up at a client's office and asking where the showers are ;-)

Well, my other half has made the odd business call to see local clients on his bike :) Generally
the reaction is positive, and the smell - well, he doesn't cycle as if he's in a race, so it's no
sweat - literally :) Of course it helps that he & I run our own business.

Cheers, helen s

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:58:51 +0000, Zog The Undeniable <[email protected]>
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>Imagine turning up at a client's office and asking where the showers are ;-)

No, only Nugent would bother imagining that. The rest of us just ride slower and get there without
working up a sweat.

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Tony Raven

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Zog The Undeniable wrote:
>
> These expenses are rarely claimed though, because they aren't available for travel to work (unless
> you officially work from home) and few people would make any other kind of business trip by bike.
> Imagine turning up at a client's office and asking where the showers are ;-)

I regularly turn up at meetings with my Brompton. Its quite a talking point, doesn't seem to create
any animosity and certainly gets you remembered. Its acceptable eccentricity ;-)

Tony
 
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Ben

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"Zog The Undeniable" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
>
> > See
> >
> > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,171-978831,00.html
> >
> > "MPs put brakes on 20p-a-mile rebate for cyclists"
> >
> > Widdydoom is her usual self - "It is difficult to see how a cyclist can
clock
> > up these sort of expenses. If it is 20p a mile for a bicycle, how much
for
> > roller skates, how much for a pogo stick, and how much for shoe leather?
"I
> > might add that you would not get me weaving through the London traffic
on a
> > bicycle for 50p a mile."
>
> These expenses are rarely claimed though, because they aren't available for travel to work (unless
> you officially work from home) and few people would make any other kind of business trip by bike.
> Imagine turning up at a client's office and asking where the showers are ;-)
>
Most of my business trips are within central London, and on a Brompton I arrive sooner and in better
condition than if I'd taken the tube.

Ben
 
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James Annan

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"Tony Raven" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
> >> IIRC the CTC costed cycling at 12p/mi when you take into account wear and tear, maintenance,
> >> clothing, lights etc.
> >
> > So 20p per mile *might* be an incentive to get a few more people out of their pollution-
> > producing metal boxes a little bit more often, thus helping HMG achieve it's greenhouse gas
> > emission reduction targets. Seems reasonable to me ;-)
> >
>
> That's my understanding of the rate. Just the same as they now don't differentiate between small
> and large engined cars to encourage you to use the more economical small engined ones.

Also the CTC figure is getting old now. A few years of stagnating at 20p, and the rate won't seem to
great anyway. Not that's it's anything to complain about, but it is certainly not particularly
excessive.

James
 
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Just Zis Guy

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"W K" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > >Imagine turning up at a client's office and asking where the showers are ;-)

> > No, only Nugent would bother imagining that.

> No, apparantly either Firth, or someone he knows actually smells like a
pig
> after any sort of physical exertion.

Yebbut, he probably smells like a pig *before* the exertion as well...

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Zog The Undeniable <[email protected]> writes:

>dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:

>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,171-978831,00.html
>>
>> "MPs put brakes on 20p-a-mile rebate for cyclists"
>>
>> Widdydoom is her usual self. "It is difficult to see how a cyclist can clock up these sort of
>> expenses. If it is 20p a mile for a bicycle, how much for roller skates, how much for a pogo
>> stick, and how much for shoe leather? I might add that you would not get me weaving through the
>> London traffic on a bicycle for 50p a mile."

>These expenses are rarely claimed though, because they aren't available for travel to work (unless
>you officially work from home) and few people would make any other kind of business trip by bike.
>Imagine turning up at a client's office and asking where the showers are ;-)

Some years ago I turned up at a cardiac consultant's office with my troos still tucked into my
socks. He looked at them, then looked at my medical record.

"Cycled here from home?"

"Yes."

"Up that hill?"

"Yes."

"Feel ok?"

"Yes."

"Well in that case we can forget about the tests suggested by your doctor. If any of the things
suggested by him about your heart were true you'd be dead by now. Cheerio, and keep cycling!"

So I saved the NHS some money...
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