Originally Posted by danfoz .
Could be somebody on Conti's board of dir's is in bed with someone at the Geman Magazine in question, or they posted the review on their site because an independant source declared their tire the winner. Who know's? Back in the day when Bicycling magazine used to "objectively" road test bikes it was usually just a couple of bikes, not every bike on the market. How long would it take to test hundreds of tires, probably some time.
I have used the BikeTech review testing and even referenced it on this very forum. It's a good source. It is interesting that the Conti's are some way down on their list of RR performers.
In twenty+ years on the bike I have ridden way more than two different tires along many different price ranges. I also have a good personal sense to subjectively assess a tires ride quality. I do not own a Mercedes but I'll tell you that slamming the door on one feels completely different than slamming a door on an old Ford. I have ridden the Rubino Pro's. I didn't flat once over a couple thousand miles and the tread lasted quite long. However to me they feel like **** and are completely unresponsive. I pay a lot for tires because I spend a lot of time on the bike. I have ridden a lot of tires that people have recommended for some reason or another (seems like everyone thinks THEIR pizzeria is the best). I use CX's for both training and racing because they feel nice. IMO Conti's are a compromise, but they do seem to last longer.
It's doubtful that in the real world of my own road racing, quite entry level in the overall scheme of things, that RR is going to have any effect on my result. The way that lovely 320tpi CX tire feels under my ass however has everything to do with my enjoyment of riding.
Maybe there are cheaper tires that feel just as nice. But I've tried a lot of pizza and I will tell you that the pizza at my local joint is the best there is /img/vbsmilies/smilies/wink.gif
In Tour's defense, they do a pretty spiffy job of testing bits. They definitely are a technically oriented magazine. Their tire test was pretty good, although the worthiness of their cornering rig is questionable. I don't think there is any bias towards Conti in their testing. Likewise, I don't think there's any bias toward a given company in Bicycling's efforts to "test." I do think Bicycling displays a significant lack of creativity or, in the case of bikes chosen to test, a lack of motivation to test anything that isn't from their common, small pool of the same 5 - 7 brands they always test. Still, Bicycling is not meant as a technical rag. With the exception of a few stories, BikeSnob, and the Bob Mionske bits, Bicycling is pretty much the Reader's Digest of bike rags. It is perfectly suitable for toilet reading, unless you have really bad constipation, in which case you just might finish an issue well before finishing your peristaltic exercise.
With tests done to measure Crr and other such performance variables, test setup, assumptions about variables, test procedures, and data reduction methods can all impact the results. As such it's very possible to see differences in outcome like you see between the AFM and Tour test results. Note that Tour's cornering test can introduce signifiant variance into the data since it would be next to impossible for each test run to trace exactly the same arc through a given corner, covering exactly the same tarmac.
There is a newish cycling test facility in Finland, The Wheel Energy Tire Testing Laboratory that, among its services, offers rolling resistance testing. They've got a physicist on board doing their testing, and I'm hoping someone contracts them to do an updated rolling resistance test series for bike tires.
Crr can of course be significant. If AFM is using the standard expression of Crr in a force term [Crr*m*g*cos(θ), where m is the mass of the bike/rider system, and θ is the angle between the road and a horizontal plane], then Conti GP4000s (Crr=0.00284) tires would produce about 232g of rolling resistance, whereas the best tires in their test, Vittoria Pista EVO CS tubies (Crr=0.00220) would produce 179g of rolling resistance. The Tufo (Tufo is Lithuanian for "rides like a wagon wheel") S33 would produce 381g of rolling resistance. Of course, those values are all done on Tacx PVC rollers. On the road, the Crr would be significantly higher.
It really doesn't matter if someone is concerned about Crr or not. It's one of those personal preference things. I can understand the urge to use, even when not racing, low Crr tires. I love fast descents, and I could see someone using such low Crr tires just so they can "sail" much faster. Speed is a powerful drug (Danfoz, no double entendre intended here).
I liked the feel of Vittoria EVO Corsa CX (as well as KX) tubies, but they were difficult to justify in my local riding environment. They are virtually invisible to thorns, cactus needles, goatheads, and the most prevalent threatening vegetation, broken glass. As for Conti tires, their Crr used to suck very badly, but their new Black Chili compound has improved things a lot.