touring sweden



ratfink wrote in uk.rec.cycling
about: Re: touring sweden

> On 2 Apr, 16:02, dabac <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> ratfink Wrote:> Does anyone have any tips regarding the roads in Sweden.


It's quite common for (in Swedish terms) 'major' (non-motorway) roads to
have wide shoulders (pretty much a full lane-width wide) which are
intended for slower vehicles to pull over into, to allow faster vehicles
to pass. We found these were just fine for cycling on. In many places we
were able to stick to quieter backroads, where there was virtually no
traffic (really, wildernessy levels of emptiness!). Truth be told, there
wasn't really an awful lot of traffic outwith the towns themselves (this
was roughly following the coast from the south of Sweden to Stockholm).


> Aparrently the Sverigeleden runs from Karesuando on the northern
> border to Smygehuk in the south, possibly via Gothenburg (I could be
> wrong). Even the Swedes says "it's difficult to find information about
> this trail on the Internet". Anyone got more on this?


Try also searching for "cykelspåret ostkusten" (east-coast cycle route).

[My newsreader will doubtlessly mutilate the above: my text editor
understands Unicode, my newsreader doesn't.. The first word is supposed
to be 'cykelspaaret' - replace 'aa' with the a-ring letter. Typing this
letter on the piece of **** that passes for the typical UK PC-keyboard
layout is left as an exercise for the reader ;-)]


This cycleroute starts in Ystad, and ends up in Haparanda, a placename
that seemed naggingly familiar[1] at the time, but didn't click until I
later did some more detailed map-surfing..! This route seems to exist
more as a concept than a signposted route, although there was a
start-point sign in Ystad, I don't recall us seeing many/any other
signs, although with a good map, an eye for quieter roads and a good
sense of direction, we ended up heading in the right direction!

Note that we only covered the Ystad - Stockholm section of the route:
be aware that even that is a lot longer than you might think, it's about
the same distance as London - Edinburgh, and even that is only about 1/3
of the length of Sweden. Our initial plan was then to go to Finland by
ferry and then continue to the Arctic Circle, but we kinda realised that
by this stage we were running out of time and money!

(It's still on my to-do list ;-)


[1] But not quite as eerily familiar as later passing through
Mölnlycke (Moelnlycke) and being disturbed that I already 'knew' the
name, but didn't know _why_ ..until the next time I went to dry my
hands in a public toilet.. ;-)


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On Apr 4, 3:38 pm, Helen Deborah Vecht <[email protected]>
wrote:
> dabac <[email protected]>typed
>
> > Helen Deborah Vecht Wrote:
> > > dabac <[email protected]>typed
> > > They must have 'upgraded' it since I was there :-(

> > Well, it's not like it's physically impossible to ride the E-somethings
> > by bicycle, and if the police are having a bad day it might be a while
> > before you receive their personal attention.
> > But you will get mentioned in radio alerts and "righteous" motorists
> > are likely to honk their horn and maybe even swipe at you.

>
> It only looks like a motorway on short stretches of my admittedly
> ancient AutoRoute but doesn't appear to be a motorway on Google Earth
> either.
>
> The motorists were OK. I did get buzzed by an aeroplane and honked by a
> train when I was on the E10 in the far North though...
>
> --
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> Edgware.


E4 is motorway all the way from Helsingborg to north of Uppsala. After
that you have a few pieces of motorway around bigger places like Gävle
and Sundsvall. Cycling on the motorway is not to recommend unless you
have a serious deathwish.

The smell in Gävle is not caused by the paper mill mentioned earlier.
They use a process that doesn't smell much at all. There is another
paper mill in Skutskär, 10 miles southeast of Gävle, that really,
really smell, that's the culprit.
 
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:32:04 +0100, David M
<[email protected]> wrote:

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>Try also searching for "cykelspåret ostkusten" (east-coast cycle route).
>
>[My newsreader will doubtlessly mutilate the above:


Came through OK here.

>my text editor
>understands Unicode, my newsreader doesn't..


It sent it as iso-8859-1, which seems to be enough for Swedish.
 
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> E4 is motorway all the way from Helsingborg to north of Uppsala. After
> that you have a few pieces of motorway around bigger places like Gävle
> and Sundsvall. Cycling on the motorway is not to recommend unless you
> have a serious deathwish.


Indeed. I started from Arlanda (Stockholm Airport) and went north. I
*definitely* remember a pong in Gävle, not elsewhere. Perhaps processes
have changed since.

> The smell in Gävle is not caused by the paper mill mentioned earlier.
> They use a process that doesn't smell much at all. There is another
> paper mill in Skutskär, 10 miles southeast of Gävle, that really,
> really smell, that's the culprit.


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Andrew Price wrote in uk.rec.cycling
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:32:04 +0100, David M
>
>>Try also searching for "cykelspåret ostkusten" (east-coast cycle route).
>>
>>[My newsreader will doubtlessly mutilate the above:

>
> Came through OK here.


You were lucky, then! ;-)

My newsreader displayed it as "cykelsp<E5>ret", but upon writing this
followup, my editor kindly restored it..(!)

>>my text editor
>>understands Unicode, my newsreader doesn't..

>
> It sent it as iso-8859-1, which seems to be enough for Swedish.


Yeah, as unfortunately I can't make slrn state the correct character
set, as it technically doesn't handle it.

But the character my text editor saved was actually in UTF8, which,
unfortunately, only matches ISO-8859-1 in the ASCII part of the range,
the remaining ISO-8859-1 characters requiring an extra byte..

I have downloaded articles from the net on configuring slrn to force the
editor to revert to ISO-8859-1, but as is the nature of these things, it
is a bit fiddly, and is still on my to-do list.. :-(


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David M wrote:
> Andrew Price wrote in uk.rec.cycling
>> On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:32:04 +0100, David M
>>> my text editor
>>> understands Unicode, my newsreader doesn't..

>> It sent it as iso-8859-1, which seems to be enough for Swedish.

>
> Yeah, as unfortunately I can't make slrn state the correct character
> set, as it technically doesn't handle it.
>
> But the character my text editor saved was actually in UTF8, which,
> unfortunately, only matches ISO-8859-1 in the ASCII part of the range,
> the remaining ISO-8859-1 characters requiring an extra byte..
>
> I have downloaded articles from the net on configuring slrn to force the
> editor to revert to ISO-8859-1, but as is the nature of these things, it
> is a bit fiddly, and is still on my to-do list.. :-(
>

My news server has a tendency to transliterate non ASCII characters to
ASCII. I know not why.

A
 
Helen Deborah Vecht said:
It only looks like a motorway on short stretches of my admittedly
ancient AutoRoute but doesn't appear to be a motorway on Google Earth
either.

Well, the E has sort of a double meaning. First it tells you that the road is seen as the main artery, secondly it also indicates the build standard of the road. In the southern third or so of Sweden this means direction separated road beds and that slower vehicles are banned etc.
While occasionally possible, assuming that an E-something is rideable can lead to a nasty surpise.

Helen Deborah Vecht said:
The motorists were OK. I did get buzzed by an aeroplane and honked by a
train when I was on the E10 in the far North though....

Makes sense. That E was probably only a "main road indication". Besides, traffic is less, and people are more relaxed. Further south you'd get a completely different reaction...
 

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