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On 22 Jul, 12:25, Tom Crispin <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:27:05 +0100, "vernon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >> Right turns with groups of up to 15 can be particularly difficult. The
> >> problem is often made worse because automatic signals with traffic
> >> sensors do not detect cyclists.
>
> >Stop and wait or slow down until the group reforms.
>
> That's exactly what we do a present. But here are a couple of
> diagrams to show the difficulties, you can see that turning right is a
> particular problem.
>
> http://www.johnballcycling.org.uk/f...//www.johnballcycling.org.uk/files/snakeright
>
> The process is this:
>
> Approaching lights take up primary position if not already in primary
> position.
>
> Indicate to trainees to form into pairs by raising hand with index and
> little finger only pointing up.
>
> Rear instructor comes forward to the stop line on the outside for
> going ahead and turning left.
>
> When lights change to green the lead instructor leads the trainees
> through the juctions while the rear instructor waits at the stop line
> for turning left and going ahead until the last trainee has passed
> through the lights. If turning right the rear instructor takes up a
> position in the centre of the junction, and indicates to trainees to
> stop if lights turn to red, and then proceeds across the junction and
> waits until the lights turn green.
>
> After the junction the trainees form themselves into single file,
> usually in primary position, only in secondary position if the lead
> instrucor considers that there is sufficient road space for a motorist
> to overtake the entire snake safely. The rear instructor will usually
> take up a position close to the centre line of the road to discourage
> overtaking unless it is safe to do so.
>
> At uncontrolled junctions, instructors invite motorists to stop with
> body language, but without obstructing traffic. If motorists have
> chosen to stop , in both directions for going ahead or turning right
> the snake can proceed across the junction.
What are you not doing a simpler route till all are nearly proficient,
then go for this riding in busy places.
And i'm sure you have referred and consulted the HC.
And you have done the RA on your route.
Remember All vehicle users are tested which include theory and
practicals in a safe place before going main roads.
Have you done this with your trainees?
Or do you think as a cyclist you can do as you like. Bearing in mind
you seem to be teaching/instruction other's...tut
wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:27:05 +0100, "vernon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >> Right turns with groups of up to 15 can be particularly difficult. The
> >> problem is often made worse because automatic signals with traffic
> >> sensors do not detect cyclists.
>
> >Stop and wait or slow down until the group reforms.
>
> That's exactly what we do a present. But here are a couple of
> diagrams to show the difficulties, you can see that turning right is a
> particular problem.
>
> http://www.johnballcycling.org.uk/f...//www.johnballcycling.org.uk/files/snakeright
>
> The process is this:
>
> Approaching lights take up primary position if not already in primary
> position.
>
> Indicate to trainees to form into pairs by raising hand with index and
> little finger only pointing up.
>
> Rear instructor comes forward to the stop line on the outside for
> going ahead and turning left.
>
> When lights change to green the lead instructor leads the trainees
> through the juctions while the rear instructor waits at the stop line
> for turning left and going ahead until the last trainee has passed
> through the lights. If turning right the rear instructor takes up a
> position in the centre of the junction, and indicates to trainees to
> stop if lights turn to red, and then proceeds across the junction and
> waits until the lights turn green.
>
> After the junction the trainees form themselves into single file,
> usually in primary position, only in secondary position if the lead
> instrucor considers that there is sufficient road space for a motorist
> to overtake the entire snake safely. The rear instructor will usually
> take up a position close to the centre line of the road to discourage
> overtaking unless it is safe to do so.
>
> At uncontrolled junctions, instructors invite motorists to stop with
> body language, but without obstructing traffic. If motorists have
> chosen to stop , in both directions for going ahead or turning right
> the snake can proceed across the junction.
What are you not doing a simpler route till all are nearly proficient,
then go for this riding in busy places.
And i'm sure you have referred and consulted the HC.
And you have done the RA on your route.
Remember All vehicle users are tested which include theory and
practicals in a safe place before going main roads.
Have you done this with your trainees?
Or do you think as a cyclist you can do as you like. Bearing in mind
you seem to be teaching/instruction other's...tut