Trail damage/shock absorbers/suspension

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  1. I wonder if any studies have been done to correlate mountain bike equipment shock absorbers and
    suspension with damage to terrain? Is the damage to terrain commensurate with the level of shock
    absorbing technology on the vehicle? Terri Alvillar
     
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  2. Terri says:

    >I wonder if any studies have been done to correlate mountain bike equipment shock absorbers and
    >suspension with damage to terrain?

    I think you'll find that the more shock absorption, the less damage. You might want to try a
    road-building website for info on that, as I'm sure the study has been done for cars at some point.
    Either way, you're just going to find that the more gonzo riders have more cush, and therefore do
    less damage on the same line. Kinda ironic, no?

    Steve
     
  3. Simon

    Simon Guest

    "Stephen Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    | Terri says:
    |
    | >I wonder if any studies have been done to correlate mountain bike equipment shock absorbers and
    | >suspension with damage to terrain?
    |
    | I think you'll find that the more shock absorption, the less damage. You might want to try a
    | road-building website for info on that, as I'm sure
    the
    | study has been done for cars at some point. Either way, you're just going to find that the more
    | gonzo riders have more cush, and therefore do less damage on the same line. Kinda ironic, no?
    |
    | Steve

    Up to a point I am sure that is correct.

    However, if you look at north shore and all the trends to build these masses of wooden structures
    via cutting down local trees etc... They are built mainly by people with full suspension bikes. Is
    this not trail damamage?

    I am not against this just wanted to point it out.

    Simon
     
  4. [email protected] (Terri Alvillar) wrote in message
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    > I wonder if any studies have been done to correlate mountain bike equipment shock absorbers and
    > suspension with damage to terrain? Is the damage to terrain commensurate with the level of shock
    > absorbing technology on the vehicle? Terri Alvillar

    Every action has an equal and opposite reaction? Terri Alvillar
     
  5. Shaun Rimmer

    Shaun Rimmer Guest

    Terri Alvillar <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > [email protected] (Terri Alvillar) wrote in message
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    > > I wonder if any studies have been done to correlate mountain bike equipment shock absorbers and
    > > suspension with damage to terrain? Is the damage to terrain commensurate with the level of shock
    > > absorbing technology on the vehicle? Terri Alvillar
    >
    >
    > Every action has an equal and opposite reaction? Terri Alvillar

    Please, if you wish to take this further, do study up on suspension design, action, and especially
    'shock absorbers' - they do just what it says, that is, 'absorb shock', not absorb it then dish it
    straight back out into the ground.

    Shaun aRe - get down with the physics of it, yo.
     
  6. Dave Jackson

    Dave Jackson Guest

    In article <[email protected]>, "Simon"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Stephen Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > | Terri says:
    > |
    > | >I wonder if any studies have been done to correlate mountain bike equipment shock absorbers and
    > | >suspension with damage to terrain?
    > |
    > | I think you'll find that the more shock absorption, the less damage. You might want to try a
    > | road-building website for info on that, as I'm sure
    > the
    > | study has been done for cars at some point. Either way, you're just going to find that the more
    > | gonzo riders have more cush, and therefore do less damage on the same line. Kinda ironic, no?
    > |
    > | Steve
    >
    > Up to a point I am sure that is correct.
    >
    > However, if you look at north shore and all the trends to build these masses of wooden structures
    > via cutting down local trees etc... They are built mainly by people with full suspension bikes. Is
    > this not trail damamage?
    >
    > I am not against this just wanted to point it out.
    >
    > Simon
    >
    >

    Please post your data regarding what type of bikes the bridge builders are riding. I would like
    to read it.

    Dave in Minnesota
     
  7. L Hays

    L Hays Guest

    "Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Stephen Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > | Terri says:
    > |
    > | >I wonder if any studies have been done to correlate mountain bike equipment shock absorbers and
    > | >suspension with damage to terrain?
    > |
    > | I think you'll find that the more shock absorption, the less damage.
    You
    > | might want to try a road-building website for info on that, as I'm sure
    > the
    > | study has been done for cars at some point. Either way, you're just going to find that the more
    > | gonzo riders have
    more
    > | cush, and therefore do less damage on the same line. Kinda ironic, no?
    > |
    > | Steve
    >
    > Up to a point I am sure that is correct.
    >
    > However, if you look at north shore and all the trends to build these
    masses
    > of wooden structures via cutting down local trees etc... They are built mainly by people with full
    > suspension bikes. Is this not trail damamage?
    >
    > I am not against this just wanted to point it out.
    >
    > Simon
    >
    >
    During our local IMBA trail maintenance school, we where told that the bridges and platforms were
    necessary to avoid removing trees, and creating trails that could wash out due to the dampness of
    the soil/air. I would think the wooden structures are an asset and not a detriment to the
    surroundings. It's pretty dense and wooded in the area and the structures weave in an out of the
    natural obstacles.

    Lance

    Lance
     
  8. Michael Dart

    Michael Dart Guest

    "Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    > "Stephen Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > | Terri says:
    > |
    > | >I wonder if any studies have been done to correlate mountain bike equipment shock absorbers and
    > | >suspension with damage to terrain?
    > |
    > | I think you'll find that the more shock absorption, the less damage.
    You
    > | might want to try a road-building website for info on that, as I'm sure
    > the
    > | study has been done for cars at some point. Either way, you're just going to find that the more
    > | gonzo riders have
    more
    > | cush, and therefore do less damage on the same line. Kinda ironic, no?
    > |
    > | Steve
    >
    > Up to a point I am sure that is correct.
    >
    > However, if you look at north shore and all the trends to build these
    masses
    > of wooden structures via cutting down local trees etc... They are built mainly by people with full
    > suspension bikes. Is this not trail damamage?
    >
    > I am not against this just wanted to point it out.
    >
    > Simon
    >
    >

    My understanding of the North Shore it is in a rainforest and the wooden structures carry riders
    over the muddy forest floor. There is a ready supply of fallen cedar trees that split well into
    slats for bridges and resist rotting in the wet weather. Ok, so they got a little carried away with
    them but for the most part they actually prevent erosion.

    Mike
     
  9. Simon

    Simon Guest

    "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    |
    | Terri Alvillar <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    | > [email protected] (Terri Alvillar) wrote in message
    | news:<[email protected]>...
    | > > I wonder if any studies have been done to correlate mountain bike equipment shock absorbers
    | > > and suspension with damage to terrain? Is the damage to terrain commensurate with the level of
    | > > shock absorbing technology on the vehicle? Terri Alvillar
    | >
    | >
    | > Every action has an equal and opposite reaction? Terri Alvillar
    |
    | Please, if you wish to take this further, do study up on suspension
    design,
    | action, and especially 'shock absorbers' - they do just what it says, that is, 'absorb shock', not
    | absorb it then dish it straight back out into the ground.
    |
    |
    | Shaun aRe - get down with the physics of it, yo.

    Otherwise they would ride like pogo sticks.

    Would look funny tho'

    Simon
     
  10. Michael Dart

    Michael Dart Guest

    "Dave Jackson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > In article <[email protected]>, "Simon"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > "Stephen Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > | Terri says:
    > > |
    > > | >I wonder if any studies have been done to correlate mountain bike equipment shock absorbers
    > > | >and suspension with damage to terrain?
    > > |
    > > | I think you'll find that the more shock absorption, the less damage.
    You
    > > | might want to try a road-building website for info on that, as I'm
    sure
    > > the
    > > | study has been done for cars at some point. Either way, you're just going to find that the
    > > | more gonzo riders have
    more
    > > | cush, and therefore do less damage on the same line. Kinda ironic,
    no?
    > > |
    > > | Steve
    > >
    > > Up to a point I am sure that is correct.
    > >
    > > However, if you look at north shore and all the trends to build these
    masses
    > > of wooden structures via cutting down local trees etc... They are built mainly by people with
    > > full suspension bikes. Is this not trail damamage?
    > >
    > > I am not against this just wanted to point it out.
    > >
    > > Simon
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    > Please post your data regarding what type of bikes the bridge builders are riding. I would like to
    > read it.
    >
    >
    > Dave in Minnesota

    "Bike" magazine. ;^)

    Mike
     
  11. Simon

    Simon Guest

    "Michael Dart" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    |
    | "Dave Jackson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    | > In article <[email protected]>, "Simon"
    | > <[email protected]> wrote:
    | >
    | > > "Stephen Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    | > > news:[email protected]...
    | > > | Terri says:
    | > > |
    | > > | >I wonder if any studies have been done to correlate mountain bike equipment shock absorbers
    | > > | >and suspension with damage to terrain?
    | > > |
    | > > | I think you'll find that the more shock absorption, the less damage.
    | You
    | > > | might want to try a road-building website for info on that, as I'm
    | sure
    | > > the
    | > > | study has been done for cars at some point. Either way, you're just going to find that the
    | > > | more gonzo riders
    have
    | more
    | > > | cush, and therefore do less damage on the same line. Kinda ironic,
    | no?
    | > > |
    | > > | Steve
    | > >
    | > > Up to a point I am sure that is correct.
    | > >
    | > > However, if you look at north shore and all the trends to build these
    | masses
    | > > of wooden structures via cutting down local trees etc... They are
    built
    | > > mainly by people with full suspension bikes. Is this not trail
    damamage?
    | > >
    | > > I am not against this just wanted to point it out.
    | > >
    | > > Simon
    | > >
    | > >
    | >
    | >
    | > Please post your data regarding what type of bikes the bridge builders are riding. I would like
    | > to read it.
    | >
    | >
    | > Dave in Minnesota
    |
    | "Bike" magazine. ;^)
    |
    | Mike
    |
    |
    lol.........yes, we get that here in UK too

    Simon
     
  12. Dave Jackson

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  13. Simon

    Simon Guest

    "Dave Jackson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    | In article <[email protected]>,
    | "Michael Dart" <[email protected]> wrote:
    |
    | > "Bike" magazine. ;^)
    | >
    | > Mike
    |
    | Post it.
    |
    | Dave

    You seem to have missed my point. Albeit badly put.

    Yes I have helped build trails, jumps etc. I have also helped clean them of litter, dog crap and
    obstacles foreign to natural trails. No medal required :eek:)

    I was merely trying to say that IMHO people with larger travel bikes tend to want bigger stuff to
    ride and as such venture of trail more and build structures bigger and higher.

    Simon........like i said just my views and observations.
     
  14. On 3 Apr 2003 21:30:56 -0800, [email protected] (Terri Alvillar) wrote:

    .I wonder if any studies have been done to correlate mountain bike .equipment shock absorbers and
    suspension with damage to terrain? Is .the damage to terrain commensurate with the level of shock
    absorbing .technology on the vehicle?

    Yes. By Newton's laws of physics, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. In other words,
    the force applied to the ground (or anything else in their path, such as a plant, animal, or person)
    is identical to the force applied to the bike. The reason that mountain bikes are built much
    stronger than normal bikes is that they encounter much greater FORCES. Therefore, they apply much
    greater forces to the ground & everything else in their path. QED

    .Terri Alvillar

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  15. On 04 Apr 2003 12:24:57 GMT, [email protected] (Stephen Baker) wrote:

    .Terri says: . .>I wonder if any studies have been done to correlate mountain bike .>equipment shock
    absorbers and suspension with damage to terrain? . .I think you'll find that the more shock
    absorption, the less damage.

    BS. Their added weight guarantees that they will cause more damage, due to their increased momentum.
    They are also able go go much FASTER, which also increases their momentum and hence the force they
    apply. QED

    You .might want to try a road-building website for info on that, as I'm sure the .study has been
    done for cars at some point. .Either way, you're just going to find that the more gonzo riders
    have more .cush, and therefore do less damage on the same line. Kinda ironic, no?

    No, it's obviously FALSE.

    .Steve

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    help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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  16. Sorni

    Sorni Guest

    "Terri Alvillar" <[email protected]> e-posturbated in message
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    > [email protected] (Terri Alvillar) wrote in message
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    > > I wonder if any studies have been done to correlate mountain bike equipment shock absorbers and
    > > suspension with damage to terrain? Is the damage to terrain commensurate with the level of shock
    > > absorbing technology on the vehicle? Terri Alvillar
    >
    >
    > Every action has an equal and opposite reaction? Terri Alvillar

    That's correct. You talk; discerning people gag.

    Bill "just tell Mike the conclusions you want, and he'll do the 'studies' for you" S.
     
  17. On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:42:31 +0100, "Simon" <[email protected]> wrote:

    . ."Stephen Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    .news:[email protected]... .| Terri says: .| .| >I wonder if any studies
    have been done to correlate mountain bike .| >equipment shock absorbers and suspension with damage
    to terrain? .| .| I think you'll find that the more shock absorption, the less damage. You .| might
    want to try a road-building website for info on that, as I'm sure .the .| study has been done for
    cars at some point. .| Either way, you're just going to find that the more gonzo riders have more .|
    cush, and therefore do less damage on the same line. Kinda ironic, no? .| .| Steve . .Up to a point
    I am sure that is correct. . .However, if you look at north shore and all the trends to build these
    masses .of wooden structures via cutting down local trees etc... They are built .mainly by people
    with full suspension bikes. Is this not trail damamage? . .I am not against this just wanted to
    point it out.

    So your email about teaching people to protect the environment was all a LIE, eh? You guys are
    transparent!

    .Simon .

    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  18. On Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:26:33 GMT, "L Hays" <[email protected]> wrote:

    . ."Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    .news:[email protected]... .> .> "Stephen Baker"
    <[email protected]> wrote in message .> news:[email protected]...
    .> | Terri says: .> | .> | >I wonder if any studies have been done to correlate mountain bike .> |
    >equipment shock absorbers and suspension with damage to terrain? .> | .> | I think you'll find that
    the more shock absorption, the less damage. .You .> | might want to try a road-building website for
    info on that, as I'm sure .> the .> | study has been done for cars at some point. .> | Either way,
    you're just going to find that the more gonzo riders have .more .> | cush, and therefore do less
    damage on the same line. Kinda ironic, no? .> | .> | Steve .> .> Up to a point I am sure that is
    correct. .> .> However, if you look at north shore and all the trends to build these .masses .> of
    wooden structures via cutting down local trees etc... They are built .> mainly by people with full
    suspension bikes. Is this not trail damamage? .> .> I am not against this just wanted to point it
    out. .> .> Simon .> .> .During our local IMBA trail maintenance school, we where told that the
    .bridges and platforms were necessary to avoid removing trees, and creating .trails that could wash
    out due to the dampness of the soil/air. I would .think the wooden structures are an asset and not a
    detriment to the .surroundings. It's pretty dense and wooded in the area and the structures .weave
    in an out of the natural obstacles.

    But to be HONEST, there is more damage with those built than wothiut them.

    .Lance . .Lance .

    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  19. On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:38:41 -0500, "Michael Dart" <[email protected]> wrote:

    . ."Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    .news:[email protected]... .> .> "Stephen Baker"
    <[email protected]> wrote in message .> news:[email protected]...
    .> | Terri says: .> | .> | >I wonder if any studies have been done to correlate mountain bike .> |
    >equipment shock absorbers and suspension with damage to terrain? .> | .> | I think you'll find that
    the more shock absorption, the less damage. .You .> | might want to try a road-building website for
    info on that, as I'm sure .> the .> | study has been done for cars at some point. .> | Either way,
    you're just going to find that the more gonzo riders have .more .> | cush, and therefore do less
    damage on the same line. Kinda ironic, no? .> | .> | Steve .> .> Up to a point I am sure that is
    correct. .> .> However, if you look at north shore and all the trends to build these .masses .> of
    wooden structures via cutting down local trees etc... They are built .> mainly by people with full
    suspension bikes. Is this not trail damamage? .> .> I am not against this just wanted to point it
    out. .> .> Simon .> .> . .My understanding of the North Shore it is in a rainforest and the wooden
    .structures carry riders over the muddy forest floor. There is a ready .supply of fallen cedar trees
    that split well into slats for bridges and .resist rotting in the wet weather. Ok, so they got a
    little carried away .with them but for the most part they actually prevent erosion.

    BS. NOT MOUNTAINM BIKING is the way to prevent erosion. DUH!

    .Mike .

    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  20. You are more full of shit than a Christmas Turkey.
     
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