Training Week Ending February 19, 2006



>So what do you think ?
__

that sub 37 should not be a problem (once healthy) on that central park
course. 8 months ago i ran 6:09/mile in a 5 miler and felt very strong
at the finish. if you recall at the time i realized improvements by
running even...it's talk but i feel i could have sustained this pace
another 1.2miles...which would have been a sub 37:00 10K on that
course.

and this is all being overweight, not training, just showing up and
performing on talent. If I showed up for a race in shape and
actually trained? Now wine & women and all that the night before a
race?.... 36:xx for sure on a flat course, perhaps even in Central
park.

that's what i think and the answer to your question. however i have
no plans on racing going forward until I can run hard free of knee
pain. but if Charles finds the courage to stand up to his words, I
will race him on April 2 as he has challenged me to. in my current
state I doubt I could must anything better than a 41:30, however i
doubt Charles can break 42:00.

(on Charles' last 4 mile race i praised his spilts prematurely and out
of ignorance. i assumed he raced the usual 4 mile course starting on
the 72nd St. transverse. Hence his splits in Mile 3 relative to the
previous miles impressed me. That was a mistake. The race started at
the 102nd St. transverse I later learned and upon learning the correct
course route, his splits lost all shine. The rolling hills came early
in the race, not midway and or later as I thought at the time).
 
On 2006-02-23, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>So what do you think ?

> __
>
> that sub 37 should not be a problem (once healthy) on that central park
> course. 8 months ago i ran 6:09/mile in a 5 miler and felt very strong
> at the finish. if you recall at the time i realized improvements by
> running even...it's talk but i feel i could have sustained this pace
> another 1.2miles...which would have been a sub 37:00 10K on that
> course.


Not sure what you mean. Sub 37 is faster than 6 minutes per mile. 6:00/mile
gives you a 37:12. 6:09/mile would give you 38 low for 10k.

> and this is all being overweight, not training, just showing up and
> performing on talent. If I showed up for a race in shape and
> actually trained? Now wine & women and all that the night before a
> race?.... 36:xx for sure on a flat course, perhaps even in Central
> park.


I think that would be very hard in central park. Doable on a reasonably fast
course, if you wanted it badly enough to train for it. Central park is just
too slow for a fast 10k time. If you did want a fast 10k, your best bet would
be to try some of the NJ races (e.g. Ridgewood or the Newark race)

Cheers,
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my bad donnie, sorry about that...never meant the sub 37K. Meant 37:XX
(and even if it's :59, I'll take it!). I do have to look outside of
NYC to race. I might be 100% by the Kidney 10K...maybe...and we really
don't have enough 10K races. I wish they would bump all these 5
milers up to 10Ks...when you think about it...it's a really small
window to have decent 10Ks in he NE of the country. Basically you can
plan on April/May/June.....skip the Summer
heat/humidity...Sept/Oct....the Marathon takes over and then Winter
sets in.
 
steve common wrote:
>Mark Hutchinson wrote:
>
>>Amazingly selective memory.

>
>Pot, kettle, sooty.


Sooty? Is this another dig at Lance? You racists just can't
get away from these sordid epithets, can you?

>> Please try again and this time
>>leave your racism checked at the door. Thanks.

>
>WTF has racism got to do with this?


Oh, nothing much I guess. Just slapping you around a bit for
too eagerly jumping on the shoot-the-Lance bandwagon. And
that after I praised you earlier for having the good sense to
stay above this fracas.

I respect you as a runner because you are faster than me, so
I was doubly disappointed that chose to abandon the high
ground and reverted to taking cheap shots along with all the
other nimrods. But, alas, I recognize and acknowledge the
attraction of the concept of group acceptance. That
neediness obviously makes the targeting of Lance seem
irresistible - especially to those lacking fundamental moral
courage and independence. That's not you, is it?

>Where do you see me being racist?


We are all racists, one way or another.

>>(FYI, the title of the Feb. 3 thread was "hey lance, race
>>me!")

>
>Yessir! The title was indeed that. If you had taken the time
>to look a little further, the contents of said thread talked
>of
>
> 2 April: Scotland Run 10 km
>23 April: Run for the Parks 4 mi
>
>I do not see the Escarpment trail race in there, do you?


No dear, I don't, but you are missing the bigger picture.
The Escarpment betting discussion took place earlier.
Subsequent to that, a direct challenge to race in the New
York races was issued to Lance in the thread referenced
above. That was the challenge Lance referred to when he
began frying Mr. Pendejo over his failure to back up his
challenge. Somehow, in your little sub-3-hour marathon brain
you construed that reference to be the earlier Escarpment
discussion. Nobody else got it wrong except you. But since
very few posters in this group can run a marathon under three
hours, you're still OK in my book (as a runner, not
necessarily a thinker).














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steve common wrote
>Mark Hutchinson wrote:
>
>>Say what? If that ridiculous knot you just tied yourself
>>into gets any tighter you won't be able to take a **** for
>>three weeks.

>
>Coming from someone with mental diahrrea, that is rather
>witty :->


Thanks for the compliment, I really appreciate that. Your
comeback wasn't bad either, but it seems you were trying a
bit too hard to be funny with that "mental diarrhea" take-off
on my "take a ****" metaphor.

To be truly effective, the quality of a riposte should always
be subtly just above the original insult. So don't expect
any accolades if you are content simply to pay me back with
the same coin. My admiration can only be earned through
creativity and originality.

































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Mark Hutchinson wrote:

> I respect you as a runner because you are faster than me


Then if your 25:xx 5K time is indicative of your speed, you ought to
genuflect to Uncle Dougie and me.

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>Then if your 25:xx 5K time is indicative of your speed, you ought to
genuflect to Uncle Dougie and me.
- The Trailrunner
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since you've brought this up Trailrunner, tell us what is your 5K time,
road or trail? After all....you are joking on a 25+ Min 5K runner and
telling them they should worship you.

What's your time that's worthy for this person to worship?

PS, your times from the 80's don't count. neither do your times on
Roller Blades. I personally would be hard pressed to believe your 5K
times are something a 25+ min runner should worship. Truth? I doubt
you have a 5K time on the books...ever...and I suspect you're going to
make something up. From what I know of your running....I wonder if you
can go sub 25 Min in a downhill 5K with a 20 mph wind at your back.
But perhaps I am wrong.
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >Then if your 25:xx 5K time is indicative of your speed, you ought to

> genuflect to Uncle Dougie and me.
> - The Trailrunner
> ________
>
> since you've brought this up Trailrunner, tell us what is your 5K time,
> road or trail? After all....you are joking on a 25+ Min 5K runner and
> telling them they should worship you.


Slow ass Lance talks about others 5k time? Bwaaaaaahhh.

>
> What's your time that's worthy for this person to worship?
>
> PS, your times from the 80's don't count. neither do your times on
> Roller Blades. I personally would be hard pressed to believe your 5K
> times are something a 25+ min runner should worship. Truth? I doubt
> you have a 5K time on the books...ever...and I suspect you're going to
> make something up. From what I know of your running....I wonder if you
> can go sub 25 Min in a downhill 5K with a 20 mph wind at your back.
> But perhaps I am wrong.
>
 
The Trailrunner <TheTrailhead*BS*@yahoo.com> wrote

> Mark Hutchinson wrote:
>
>> I respect you as a runner because you are faster than me

>
> Then if your 25:xx 5K time is indicative of your speed, you
> ought to genuflect to Uncle Dougie and me.


I will if you provide a link to your recent 5K that's faster
than my current PR.

But I have to warn you, since 2004 I have run two more 5Ks and
at least one of them may have been faster than that 25:xx.






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On 24 Feb 2006 12:19:00 +0800, Mark Hutchinson <[email protected]>
wrote:

>But I have to warn you, since 2004 I have run two more 5Ks and
>at least one of them may have been faster than that 25:xx.


Of course I took a taxi part way. Does that count?
 
On 2006-02-23, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> my bad donnie, sorry about that...never meant the sub 37K. Meant 37:XX
> (and even if it's :59, I'll take it!). I do have to look outside of


Oh I see. Sure, sounds like a reasonable goal.

> NYC to race. I might be 100% by the Kidney 10K...maybe...and we really
> don't have enough 10K races. I wish they would bump all these 5
> milers up to 10Ks...when you think about it...it's a really small


Hmmmm ... maybe. Except that the lower 5 mile course is quite fast, whereas
the central park 10k course is pretty slow. If they'd let the guys have a shot
at the same course the women use for the mini, that would be nice. Otherwise,
central park is just too slow.

> window to have decent 10Ks in he NE of the country. Basically you can
> plan on April/May/June.....skip the Summer
> heat/humidity...Sept/Oct....


Well, sounds like you're starting to "get it". Yes, that's exactly it.
If you fancy yourself as a road racer, you peak twice a year -- in spring and
in fall. If you're a track guy, it's winter-summer. If you're both -- well you
can't really be both, eventually you've got to specialise.

Anyway, outside those racing sweet-spot months, it's all about laying down a
foundation for racing -- by piling on mileage.

> the Marathon takes over and then Winter sets in.


Well, likewise, the marathon only "takes over" if you let it. You've got to
choose -- you can't peak for 10k and the marathon, though you can still run
some pretty decent 10k races en-route to the marathon.

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[email protected] wrote:

> I doubt
> you have a 5K time on the books...ever...and I suspect you're going to
> make something up.


You caught me red handed Lance. I have never done a 5K. But will a 10K
suffice? I have done 2 road 10Ks, the first with 5000 runners and since
I didn't have a clue what I was doing, lined up way in the back and got
caught behind the walkers and moms pushing baby strollers! That one I
did a 51:xx The next one I had a little better idea of what to do but it
was a (you're going to love this :)) last training run before a 100
mile race the next weekend so I didn't bomb it all out but did 46:32 on
a really hilly course (like I said, I never claimed to be fast, just
faster than MH's 25:xx 5K). It was 5 years ago but at the time I was
still older than MH's 25:xx 5K. I don't expect you to believe me, but if
I was going to lie, I'd "invent" a better time than that! And if you
still don't believe me, will you take Uncle Dougie's word? He knows who
I am and I'll send him the link to the results so he can verify if that
would make you happy.

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On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:11:43 GMT, The Trailrunner
<TheTrailhead*BS*@yahoo.com> wrote:

>You caught me red handed Lance.


Pants around the ankles AGAIN?
 
"The Trailrunner" <TheTrailhead*BS*@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Mark Hutchinson wrote:
>
>> I respect you as a runner because you are faster than me

>
> Then if your 25:xx 5K time is indicative of your speed, you ought to
> genuflect to Uncle Dougie and me.



I can still crank out a 21 5K off nothing but hill running. A 25 is
very, very, very pedestrian. Maybe he should spend less time on the
keyboard defending our resident troll Lance and do some more running. ;)

-DF
 
"Mark Hutchinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The Trailrunner <TheTrailhead*BS*@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>> Mark Hutchinson wrote:
>>
>>> I respect you as a runner because you are faster than me

>>
>> Then if your 25:xx 5K time is indicative of your speed, you
>> ought to genuflect to Uncle Dougie and me.

>
> I will if you provide a link to your recent 5K that's faster
> than my current PR.


The best I can find for me is
http://www.coolrunning.com/results/02/me/Jun22_Camden_set1.shtml I do
few of them that there aren't many public footprints. For ***** a
giggles my PR which is about the turn of century( I was 43-44 yo) was
18:30. 10k - 38:30 and I can knock of a 42 10k today. If only I didn't
dislike speed work.....

> But I have to warn you, since 2004 I have run two more 5Ks and
> at least one of them may have been faster than that 25:xx.


There is one good thing about starting off with a 25: - lot's of room
for improvement. ;)

-DF
 
>our resident troll Lance
-DF
___

More of what Doug Freese does well, elects to bring me into the
equation for some reason, criticizes me, the Black man that questions
him while endearing his fellow White man Charles Anderson with white
privilege.

What brought this on Doug? Why have you chosen to say what you have
above? How am I part of that exchange? So you can take the time to
come out of the blue and for no reason characterize me in a negative
context, yet you _SHUT UP_ and have your mouth _ZIPPED_ when it comes
to commenting on your fellow white man Charles Anderson.

That's basically how it works right Doug? Your bias? Never
acknowledge the coward nature of your fellow white man for not standing
up to his words, but at all cost, even when he has nothing to do with
the exchange, criticize the Black man. The Doug Freese style.

You can comment on everything under the sun, repeatedly, continually
bring my name into exchanges I have nothing to do with and in a
negative context....but you can't comment on Charles Anderson.
Revealing.
 
[email protected] wrote

> since you've brought this up Trailrunner, tell us what is
> your 5K time, road or trail? After all....you are joking
> on a 25+ Min 5K runner and telling them they should
> worship you.


Stay out of my fights, Congressman. Thanks, but don't need your
help. I can easily take this guy apart on the road, on the
trail, and on this ng. This fool has no idea....









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"Doug Freese" <[email protected]> wrote
> "The Trailrunner" <TheTrailhead*BS*@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> Mark Hutchinson wrote:
>>
>>> I respect you as a runner because you are faster than me

>>
>> Then if your 25:xx 5K time is indicative of your speed,
>> you ought to genuflect to Uncle Dougie and me.

>
> I can still crank out a 21 5K off nothing but hill running.


Actually, that ain't too bad. Makes you almost fast enough to
smell my farts. :)

> A 25 is very, very, very pedestrian. Maybe he should spend
> less time on the keyboard defending our resident troll
> Lance and do some more running. ;)


Actually, that's pretty good advice. I should be doing as you
suggest, but I'm nursing a pulled hamstring. Being a rookie
runner, I forgot to take a break after a half marathon a couple
of weeks ago and foolishly raced a 10K last weekend.

Ordinarily, I'd ignore the pain, but since I'm going for a 10K
PR next weekend, I decided to take it easy and put the extra
time to good use. At least it's running related.




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The Trailrunner <TheTrailhead*BS*@yahoo.com> wrote

> but did 46:32 on a really hilly course


OK, I guess that settles that contest. And beautifully
illustrates the point being made in this whole discussion - your
typical ultra runner just ain't competitive on roads. Never has
been. That's exactly why he is na ultra runner.

Case closed, stick a fork in it.








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Mark Hutchinson <[email protected]> wrote:

>Just slapping you around a bit for
>too eagerly jumping on the shoot-the-Lance bandwagon.


The point is that I wasn't. I've already said positive things to lance
about his running (and humour occasionally) and also tried to feed proper
references to him instead of gut reaction, when he's not being a total
******** that is.

>And
>that after I praised you earlier for having the good sense to
>stay above this fracas.


I noticed the reference, thank you.

>I respect you as a runner because you are faster than me, so
>I was doubly disappointed that chose to abandon the high
>ground and reverted to taking cheap shots along with all the
>other nimrods.


Point to the cheap shots please and I'll apologise. You know that's
something I do when I find I'm wrong.

>That was the challenge Lance referred to when he
>began frying Mr. Pendejo over his failure to back up his
>challenge. Somehow, in your little sub-3-hour marathon brain
>you construed that reference to be the earlier Escarpment
>discussion.


Because he talked about the 1K dollar wager as well, and that particular
wager was in the escarpment thread and was not to do with a direct race
challenge from Charlie and my reply said no more and no less.

Quoting lance

>>>> you elected to publicly personally challenge me to a race on April 2, a
>>>> 10K. i accepted your challenge and asked what we're putting on the
>>>> line....and suggested $1K...


apart from which he never talked money eh?

I'm not having a go at lance because it's gang bang time, it's just that
his /mauvaise foi/ got my goat.