Trek Madone 2008



[email protected] wrote in news:1183345368.438678.210570
@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
> Will the Madone really break the 10,000 dollar mark?


Prices look like they will be about the same as for the 2007 model.
The base model will be around $3000.
 
> Will the Madone really break the 10,000 dollar mark? Geez, don't
> disappoint me already.


The Madone hit the $10k mark ($9999.99) in 2005, and has since dropped to
$7500 for the most-expensive offering, and $2700 for the least-expensive.
There has been no upward trend in the line's pricing. Where did you get the
idea that pricing had kicked up that high? Australian dollars, perhaps?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
 
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 04:22:48 GMT, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

>> Will the Madone really break the 10,000 dollar mark? Geez, don't
>> disappoint me already.

>
> The Madone hit the $10k mark ($9999.99) in 2005 [snip]


> Where did you get the
> idea that pricing had kicked up that high?


You just admitted it had kicked up that high! Duh...
 
On Jul 2, 3:46 am, Troll Report <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 04:22:48 GMT, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >> Will the Madone really break the 10,000 dollar mark? Geez, don't
> >> disappoint me already.

>
> > The Madone hit the $10k mark ($9999.99) in 2005 [snip]
> > Where did you get the
> > idea that pricing had kicked up that high?

>
> You just admitted it had kicked up that high! Duh...


Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
begin to have the new Madones in store?
-Ron
 
On Jul 2, 8:47 am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Jul 2, 3:46 am, Troll Report <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 04:22:48 GMT, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > >> Will the Madone really break the 10,000 dollar mark? Geez, don't
> > >> disappoint me already.

>
> > > The Madone hit the $10k mark ($9999.99) in 2005 [snip]
> > > Where did you get the
> > > idea that pricing had kicked up that high?

>
> > You just admitted it had kicked up that high! Duh...

>
> Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
> could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
> begin to have the new Madones in store?
> -Ron


Some Trek Dealers already have them. I don't know the pricing but
Bicycle Sport in Charlotte has some.
 
> Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
> could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
> begin to have the new Madones in store?
> -Ron


New Madone 5.2 & 5.5s in compact crank model are presently shipping,
although no 60 or 62cm yet to the best of my knowledge. Triple 5.2s are
supposed to be shipping sometime soon.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
 
On Jul 2, 6:59 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
> > could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
> > begin to have the new Madones in store?
> > -Ron

>
> New Madone 5.2 & 5.5s in compact crank model are presently shipping,
> although no 60 or 62cm yet to the best of my knowledge. Triple 5.2s are
> supposed to be shipping sometime soon.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


Ok Mike, since I can't get an answer from Lennard(he's in ITALY...poor
guy)_...so I want a Madone with Record, new UT crank..does Trek supply
the bearings or what? Same for shimano DA crank...Trek supplied BB
bearings?? How does that work? I saw the shimano carbon crank(never
say never) and it doesn't have 'cups' in the frame..what gives ohhh
Trekguru??
 
On Jul 2, 8:14 pm, Gene <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 8:47 am, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 3:46 am, Troll Report <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> > > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 04:22:48 GMT, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > > >> Will the Madone really break the 10,000 dollar mark? Geez, don't
> > > >> disappoint me already.

>
> > > > The Madone hit the $10k mark ($9999.99) in 2005 [snip]
> > > > Where did you get the
> > > > idea that pricing had kicked up that high?

>
> > > You just admitted it had kicked up that high! Duh...

>
> > Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
> > could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
> > begin to have the new Madones in store?
> > -Ron

>
> Some Trek Dealers already have them. I don't know the pricing but
> Bicycle Sport in Charlotte has some.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


My nearest Trek dealer has got a 5.2 I think in store - 54 cm. He said
I could test ride it and I am like sweet. He said the starting price
for the lower order model is 3500 moolah.
 
On Jul 3, 8:32 am, bicycle_disciple <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 8:14 pm, Gene <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 8:47 am, [email protected] wrote:

>
> > > On Jul 2, 3:46 am, Troll Report <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> > > > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 04:22:48 GMT, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > > > >> Will the Madone really break the 10,000 dollar mark? Geez, don't
> > > > >> disappoint me already.

>
> > > > > The Madone hit the $10k mark ($9999.99) in 2005 [snip]
> > > > > Where did you get the
> > > > > idea that pricing had kicked up that high?

>
> > > > You just admitted it had kicked up that high! Duh...

>
> > > Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
> > > could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
> > > begin to have the new Madones in store?
> > > -Ron

>
> > Some Trek Dealers already have them. I don't know the pricing but
> > Bicycle Sport in Charlotte has some.- Hide quoted text -

>
> > - Show quoted text -

>
> My nearest Trek dealer has got a 5.2 I think in store - 54 cm. He said
> I could test ride it and I am like sweet. He said the starting price
> for the lower order model is 3500 moolah.-


That is like so cool, dude. ;-)
 
>> > Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
>> > could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
>> > begin to have the new Madones in store?
>> > -Ron

>>
>> New Madone 5.2 & 5.5s in compact crank model are presently shipping,
>> although no 60 or 62cm yet to the best of my knowledge. Triple 5.2s are
>> supposed to be shipping sometime soon.
>>
>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

>
> Ok Mike, since I can't get an answer from Lennard(he's in ITALY...poor
> guy)_...so I want a Madone with Record, new UT crank..does Trek supply
> the bearings or what? Same for shimano DA crank...Trek supplied BB
> bearings?? How does that work? I saw the shimano carbon crank(never
> say never) and it doesn't have 'cups' in the frame..what gives ohhh
> Trekguru??


Well gosh, if you read our website, you'd know the answer. Or not, I might
not have included that info, but it's in the Trek link.

The new frame will work with any pipe-style crank from Campy, SRAM, Shimano,
TruVativ, FSA and a couple others I forget. The bearings used for all of
those cranks are so similar it was not an issue for Trek to design very
simple kits that include a shaped washer to allow each to fit.

What will *not* work are any Octalink, ISIS, or square taper cranks. So
anything that's not current isn't going to work. Very wide compatibility
with current product, but it's not a frame you're going to use your favorite
old cranks on.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
 
On Jul 3, 12:13 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
> >> > could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
> >> > begin to have the new Madones in store?
> >> > -Ron

>
> >> New Madone 5.2 & 5.5s in compact crank model are presently shipping,
> >> although no 60 or 62cm yet to the best of my knowledge. Triple 5.2s are
> >> supposed to be shipping sometime soon.

>
> >> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> >> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> >> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

>
> > Ok Mike, since I can't get an answer from Lennard(he's in ITALY...poor
> > guy)_...so I want a Madone with Record, new UT crank..does Trek supply
> > the bearings or what? Same for shimano DA crank...Trek supplied BB
> > bearings?? How does that work? I saw the shimano carbon crank(never
> > say never) and it doesn't have 'cups' in the frame..what gives ohhh
> > Trekguru??

>
> Well gosh, if you read our website, you'd know the answer. Or not, I might
> not have included that info, but it's in the Trek link.
>
> The new frame will work with any pipe-style crank from Campy, SRAM, Shimano,
> TruVativ, FSA and a couple others I forget. The bearings used for all of
> those cranks are so similar it was not an issue for Trek to design very
> simple kits that include a shaped washer to allow each to fit.
>
> What will *not* work are any Octalink, ISIS, or square taper cranks. So
> anything that's not current isn't going to work. Very wide compatibility
> with current product, but it's not a frame you're going to use your favorite
> old cranks on.
>


So, if these "pipe-style" cranks fade out, the frame will
be .....er....useless?
 
>> The new frame will work with any pipe-style crank from Campy, SRAM,
>> Shimano,
>> TruVativ, FSA and a couple others I forget. The bearings used for all of
>> those cranks are so similar it was not an issue for Trek to design very
>> simple kits that include a shaped washer to allow each to fit.
>>
>> What will *not* work are any Octalink, ISIS, or square taper cranks. So
>> anything that's not current isn't going to work. Very wide compatibility
>> with current product, but it's not a frame you're going to use your
>> favorite
>> old cranks on.
>>

>
> So, if these "pipe-style" cranks fade out, the frame will
> be .....er....useless?


I wouldn't try to pretend that a current frame is going to be something
easily maintainable (as a bike) 15 years down the road.Without question we
have entered an era where "standards" mean something entirely different than
in the past, whether we're talking about bikes, cars, A/V gear, whatever.
This creates concern both real and illusory; the computer world is full of
stories about people who are scared to trust their photos to DVDs and hard
drives, not because they're worried either will suffer from deterioration
and fail, but because they think the day will come when they'll have no
means to read what's on the device.

If/when that day comes, whether for a bicycle frame or a DVD, it will not
happen without warning. Opportunities will exist to buy spares before
technologies go away. Inconvenient at times, to be sure, but if you're
buying something with an eye towards utility over 15+ years, that's a very
rare and unusual purchase.

I do still own a couple 30+ year old bicycles. A 1973 Cinelli road bike, and
a 1974 or thereabouts Benotto track bike. Yes, it's possible to still get
parts to keep each on the road, but, at least in the case of the Cinelli,
modern eqiupment far surpasses what that bike has to offer. Track bikes
haven't changed much over the years, nor likely will they much in the
future. But even so, I doubt many people buy track bikes thinking that it's
a once-in-a-lifetime investment. The Cinelli I keep around only for the
memories. I call it "The Iron Pig", an apt description of its abilities vs
modern machines.

--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
 
On Jul 3, 6:21 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> The new frame will work with any pipe-style crank from Campy, SRAM,
> >> Shimano,
> >> TruVativ, FSA and a couple others I forget. The bearings used for all of
> >> those cranks are so similar it was not an issue for Trek to design very
> >> simple kits that include a shaped washer to allow each to fit.

>
> >> What will *not* work are any Octalink, ISIS, or square taper cranks. So
> >> anything that's not current isn't going to work. Very wide compatibility
> >> with current product, but it's not a frame you're going to use your
> >> favorite
> >> old cranks on.

>
> > So, if these "pipe-style" cranks fade out, the frame will
> > be .....er....useless?

>
> I wouldn't try to pretend that a current frame is going to be something
> easily maintainable (as a bike) 15 years down the road.Without question we
> have entered an era where "standards" mean something entirely different than
> in the past, whether we're talking about bikes, cars, A/V gear, whatever.
> This creates concern both real and illusory; the computer world is full of
> stories about people who are scared to trust their photos to DVDs and hard
> drives, not because they're worried either will suffer from deterioration
> and fail, but because they think the day will come when they'll have no
> means to read what's on the device.
>
> If/when that day comes, whether for a bicycle frame or a DVD, it will not
> happen without warning. Opportunities will exist to buy spares before
> technologies go away. Inconvenient at times, to be sure, but if you're
> buying something with an eye towards utility over 15+ years, that's a very
> rare and unusual purchase.
>
> I do still own a couple 30+ year old bicycles. A 1973 Cinelli road bike, and
> a 1974 or thereabouts Benotto track bike. Yes, it's possible to still get
> parts to keep each on the road, but, at least in the case of the Cinelli,
> modern eqiupment far surpasses what that bike has to offer. Track bikes
> haven't changed much over the years, nor likely will they much in the
> future. But even so, I doubt many people buy track bikes thinking that it's
> a once-in-a-lifetime investment. The Cinelli I keep around only for the
> memories. I call it "The Iron Pig", an apt description of its abilities vs
> modern machines.
>


A simple "yes" would have been to the point.

Geez, what is the advantage, aside from saving a little weight (little
enough so as not to be an actual issue to a recreational cyclist,
which is where most of these will be sold), of eliminating a threaded
interface that also accepts other BB designs?
 
On Jul 3, 8:22 pm, "Ozark Bicycle" wrote:
> On Jul 3, 6:21 pm, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
> > >> The new frame will work with any pipe-style crank from Campy, SRAM,
> > >> Shimano,
> > >> TruVativ, FSA and a couple others I forget. The bearings used for all of
> > >> those cranks are so similar it was not an issue for Trek to design very
> > >> simple kits that include a shaped washer to allow each to fit.

>
> > >> What will *not* work are any Octalink, ISIS, or square taper cranks. So
> > >> anything that's not current isn't going to work. Very wide compatibility
> > >> with current product, but it's not a frame you're going to use your
> > >> favorite
> > >> old cranks on.

>
> > > So, if these "pipe-style" cranks fade out, the frame will
> > > be .....er....useless?

>
> > I wouldn't try to pretend that a current frame is going to be something
> > easily maintainable (as a bike) 15 years down the road.Without question we
> > have entered an era where "standards" mean something entirely different than
> > in the past, whether we're talking about bikes, cars, A/V gear, whatever.
> > This creates concern both real and illusory; the computer world is full of
> > stories about people who are scared to trust their photos to DVDs and hard
> > drives, not because they're worried either will suffer from deterioration
> > and fail, but because they think the day will come when they'll have no
> > means to read what's on the device.

>
> > If/when that day comes, whether for a bicycle frame or a DVD, it will not
> > happen without warning. Opportunities will exist to buy spares before
> > technologies go away. Inconvenient at times, to be sure, but if you're
> > buying something with an eye towards utility over 15+ years, that's a very
> > rare and unusual purchase.

>
> > I do still own a couple 30+ year old bicycles. A 1973 Cinelli road bike, and
> > a 1974 or thereabouts Benotto track bike. Yes, it's possible to still get
> > parts to keep each on the road, but, at least in the case of the Cinelli,
> > modern eqiupment far surpasses what that bike has to offer. Track bikes
> > haven't changed much over the years, nor likely will they much in the
> > future. But even so, I doubt many people buy track bikes thinking that it's
> > a once-in-a-lifetime investment. The Cinelli I keep around only for the
> > memories. I call it "The Iron Pig", an apt description of its abilities vs
> > modern machines.

>
> A simple "yes" would have been to the point.
>
> Geez, what is the advantage, aside from saving a little weight (little
> enough so as not to be an actual issue to a recreational cyclist,
> which is where most of these will be sold), of eliminating a threaded
> interface that also accepts other BB designs?


butbutbut, with a conventional BB shell, it would not be like the
bikes the professionals ride!!!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
 
On Jul 3, 8:35 pm, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 8:22 pm, "Ozark Bicycle" wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 6:21 pm, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

>
> > > >> The new frame will work with any pipe-style crank from Campy, SRAM,
> > > >> Shimano,
> > > >> TruVativ, FSA and a couple others I forget. The bearings used for all of
> > > >> those cranks are so similar it was not an issue for Trek to design very
> > > >> simple kits that include a shaped washer to allow each to fit.

>
> > > >> What will *not* work are any Octalink, ISIS, or square taper cranks. So
> > > >> anything that's not current isn't going to work. Very wide compatibility
> > > >> with current product, but it's not a frame you're going to use your
> > > >> favorite
> > > >> old cranks on.

>
> > > > So, if these "pipe-style" cranks fade out, the frame will
> > > > be .....er....useless?

>
> > > I wouldn't try to pretend that a current frame is going to be something
> > > easily maintainable (as a bike) 15 years down the road.Without question we
> > > have entered an era where "standards" mean something entirely different than
> > > in the past, whether we're talking about bikes, cars, A/V gear, whatever.
> > > This creates concern both real and illusory; the computer world is full of
> > > stories about people who are scared to trust their photos to DVDs and hard
> > > drives, not because they're worried either will suffer from deterioration
> > > and fail, but because they think the day will come when they'll have no
> > > means to read what's on the device.

>
> > > If/when that day comes, whether for a bicycle frame or a DVD, it will not
> > > happen without warning. Opportunities will exist to buy spares before
> > > technologies go away. Inconvenient at times, to be sure, but if you're
> > > buying something with an eye towards utility over 15+ years, that's a very
> > > rare and unusual purchase.

>
> > > I do still own a couple 30+ year old bicycles. A 1973 Cinelli road bike, and
> > > a 1974 or thereabouts Benotto track bike. Yes, it's possible to still get
> > > parts to keep each on the road, but, at least in the case of the Cinelli,
> > > modern eqiupment far surpasses what that bike has to offer. Track bikes
> > > haven't changed much over the years, nor likely will they much in the
> > > future. But even so, I doubt many people buy track bikes thinking that it's
> > > a once-in-a-lifetime investment. The Cinelli I keep around only for the
> > > memories. I call it "The Iron Pig", an apt description of its abilities vs
> > > modern machines.

>
> > A simple "yes" would have been to the point.

>
> > Geez, what is the advantage, aside from saving a little weight (little
> > enough so as not to be an actual issue to a recreational cyclist,
> > which is where most of these will be sold), of eliminating a threaded
> > interface that also accepts other BB designs?

>
> butbutbut, with a conventional BB shell, it would not be like the
> bikes the professionals ride!!!
>


You're right! That's very important to the members of Team Wannabe.
 
> Geez, what is the advantage, aside from saving a little weight (little
> enough so as not to be an actual issue to a recreational cyclist,
> which is where most of these will be sold), of eliminating a threaded
> interface that also accepts other BB designs?


Once you play with one, you'll wonder why it wasn't done years ago. The
bearings literally drop in. No force. No special tools needed. Take your
crankset out of the bike, replace the bearings, reinstall with only a 5mm
allen tool (for a Shimano crank). 5 minutes, seriously. This technology will
likely migrate downward and laterally; I see it as an even bigger advantage
for mountain bikes than for road.

--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
 
On Jul 3, 6:35 pm, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 8:22 pm, "Ozark Bicycle" wrote:
>
> > Geez, what is the advantage, aside from saving a little weight (little
> > enough so as not to be an actual issue to a recreational cyclist,
> > which is where most of these will be sold), of eliminating a threaded
> > interface that also accepts other BB designs?

>
> butbutbut, with a conventional BB shell, it would not be like the
> bikes the professionals ride!!!


IMHO, you guys have it backwards. The professionals
ride what the sponsors give them to ride, and the sponsors
give them the bikes that they want to sell to the punters.
The selling point is the same (supposed performance
advantage) but it's the punters who sell it to themselves.

In this case, I'm sure the move to oversized bottom
bracket fitting came about not because of some
racer-boy conspiracy, but because Chalo Colina was
recently appointed either God or Chief Trek Design
Engineer. I hope you infidels are ready for the
World According to Chalo.

Ben
 
On Jul 3, 8:56 pm, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > Geez, what is the advantage, aside from saving a little weight (little
> > enough so as not to be an actual issue to a recreational cyclist,
> > which is where most of these will be sold), of eliminating a threaded
> > interface that also accepts other BB designs?

>
> Once you play with one, you'll wonder why it wasn't done years ago. The
> bearings literally drop in. No force. No special tools needed. Take your
> crankset out of the bike, replace the bearings, reinstall with only a 5mm
> allen tool (for a Shimano crank). 5 minutes, seriously. This technology will
> likely migrate downward and laterally; I see it as an even bigger advantage
> for mountain bikes than for road.


That is fine, IF the manufacturers can agree on a standard system
instead of everyone having a different proprietary system with planned
obsolescence built in.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
 
On Jul 3, 11:13 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
> >> > could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
> >> > begin to have the new Madones in store?
> >> > -Ron

>
> >> New Madone 5.2 & 5.5s in compact crank model are presently shipping,
> >> although no 60 or 62cm yet to the best of my knowledge. Triple 5.2s are
> >> supposed to be shipping sometime soon.

>
> >> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> >> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> >> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

>
> > Ok Mike, since I can't get an answer from Lennard(he's in ITALY...poor
> > guy)_...so I want a Madone with Record, new UT crank..does Trek supply
> > the bearings or what? Same for shimano DA crank...Trek supplied BB
> > bearings?? How does that work? I saw the shimano carbon crank(never
> > say never) and it doesn't have 'cups' in the frame..what gives ohhh
> > Trekguru??

>
> Well gosh, if you read our website, you'd know the answer. Or not, I might
> not have included that info, but it's in the Trek link.
>
> The new frame will work with any pipe-style crank from Campy, SRAM, Shimano,
> TruVativ, FSA and a couple others I forget. The bearings used for all of
> those cranks are so similar it was not an issue for Trek to design very
> simple kits that include a shaped washer to allow each to fit.
>
> What will *not* work are any Octalink, ISIS, or square taper cranks. So
> anything that's not current isn't going to work. Very wide compatibility
> with current product, but it's not a frame you're going to use your favorite
> old cranks on.


So no Zipp cranks, no Campagnolo triples, no way to use my 2006 Record
carbon CT crank. Not 'old' cranks at all. I would think that Trek
would have learned from Klein, Merlin, Gary Fisher about unique BB
shells.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
 

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