[email protected] wrote:
> Since you didn't follow the conversation correctly, your extensive
> proof that I also say other things was time wasted.
Wasted in trying to get you to take some honest pride in your work,
Frank.
> Sorry, you're misunderstanding once again.
Stonewalling.
> The "lab rat" reference was intended only to mean "subject of study."
Juxtaposing subject with insulting term of description. "Those people
were lab rats".
> > Then there's always the time you vented your helmet-hating spleen on me
> > to tell me my daughter wouldn't leave the house before she was forty
> > since I made her wear a bike helmet. What do you call that, Frank?
>
> Um... a lie?
The short, convenient memory of of Frank Krygowski?:
(This ng):
[Posted by]Frank Krygowki Nov 18 2000, 1:00 am
(Dustoyevsky wrote):
> And if I make
> my kids put on helmets (and knee pads while they're learning, and elbow
> pads, too--thanks for the suggestion!) does that make me a "hand
> wringer" in your book, really, or was that just a little extra,
> gratuitous insult you couldn't help but slip in there?
(Frank Krygowski replied, possible extra <>'s from me):
<For the record, if you make your kid cycle in knee pads, elbow pads
and
a helmet, then YES, you definitely qualify as a "hand-wringer" in my
book.
<If you're to be consistent, you should never, ever let your child swim
without water wings. You should never let your child climb a tree.
You
should never let her cross a street without holding your hand. You
should never let her on a playground that doesn't have a soft padded
ground surface. You should never let her play out of sight of your
watchful eyes.
<All of these things are serious warnings I've seen in print at least
once. Heed them all - and pay the consequences of raising a child who
has never learned to handle the slightest risk.
<I actually know a family that adopted that attitude in raising their
only daughter. She just recently moved out and got an apartment on her
own, not far from Mom and Dad. She's 49 years old.>
What an incredible stretch from wearing elbow pads and knee pads for
*learning* when crashes are frequent. But, easy when you're as full of
**** as Frank Krygowsky. Right, Frank?
What a baleful, pompous pronouncement ("Pay the consequences") in
payment for my being a helmet wearer! You couldn't see through the red
haze to notice where, in this same post, I said that helmets can't
replace "smarts" in dealing with traffic? (quote follows):
(same post from 2000, more from Dustoyevsky):
> I don't agree
> with the either-or stuff you've posted, either: you know, helmets OR
> riding education, which implies that I (as a helmet wearer) am stupid
> enough to think I am impervious to harm with a helmet on, or that I
> would neglect teaching my kids how to ride safely in favor of sticking
> a lid on and sending them on out to their fate.
(Krygowsky reply):
<You may be intelligent enough to not make that mistake, I don't know.
Well, Frank, at least *you're* consistent: always the selective
reading, and the insults.
Water wings ("arm floaties")? A wonderful tool for fun and safety with
little kids who can't swim on their own. Used, left behind, like the
arm/knee pads for the bike. Swimming lessons, from older siblings,
parents, and at preschool. Including "accident survival"; floating and
bouncing off the bottom to breathe if needed. Yes, consistency in
teaching safety skills, you've got me dead to rights there, Frank.
Both of my kids have had to helped down from climbs where they got too
tired to make it back to Earth on their own. So yes, "don't let them
out of your sight" is good policy when they're toddlers. When they get
a little older and stronger, they take care of that stuff themselves,
or know enough to yell for help. Same deal with hand-holding for street
and parking lot crossings. You do it when they're little, until they
learn (implying, "parent teaching"). Padded playground surfaces?
Excellent idea; might have saved us a broken arm if the playground
hadn't been thin gravel over hard dirt. You can blah blah all you want,
Frank; that one just missed a growth plate. Not to mention
pain/inconvenience, and some money.
Out of my sight? At 11, she's been hanging out at the stable from
morning 'till night (when possible) for a couple of years now. With a
cell phone, per stable rules. Time wonderfully well spent having fun
and gaining "horse knowledge" as well as riding expertise, dealing with
"barn society" (learning social skills), heading toward independence,
and maybe a vocation, who knows? Night/day from the picture you tried
to paint us into.
Well, as usual, somebody disagreed with you, and it made you mad, so it
was OK to say whatever you wanted to get back at them. Then deny intent
and responsibility when you get tagged for it. What a guy! --D-y