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[troll] Philipiddes never ran a marathon

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  1. See below for an extract from
    http://www.marathonguide.com/history/olympicmarathons/prologue.cfm

    die-hard running snobs and romantic dreamers will still want to believe
    the old "run to Athens and drop dead" bollocks, and may they be ever
    happy doing so, but Philippides ran the first *Spartathlon*, not the
    first marathon.

    And even if some hypothetical foot messenger did run from Marathon to
    Athens at the end of the battle against the Persians, it wasn't a
    marathon as we know it (42.195km), but an "around 25 mile" trail run.
    And I'll bet a beer that anyone insisting he wasn't allowed any walking
    breaks would've found a message scroll (at best) wedged somewhere
    uncomfortable.

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    While the massive Persian army landed, the Athenians sent a messenger
    named Philippides (his name was corrupted in later texts to
    Pheidippides) to Sparta to enlist the aid of the Spartans in the
    upcoming battle. He covered the distance of about 150 miles in less than
    two days, a remarkable accomplishment by any standard.

    Back at Marathon, however, the decision was made not to wait for the
    Spartans. The Athenian army fell upon the vastly larger Persian forces
    while they were still preparing for battle. Against great odds, the
    Greeks prevailed. Though historians writing close to the time of the
    battle make no mention of the event, writers some 600 years later claim
    that a runner was dispatched to Athens to carry the news of the great
    victory. According to legend he reached the city, said, "Rejoice, we
    conquer," and fell to the ground dead. Though one source gives the
    runner's name as Philippides, it is highly unlikely that he would have
    made such a run after having just run to Sparta. If he had, contemporary
    historians would surely have noted it.

    Whether any messenger at all was sent to Athens with the news of victory
    is a matter of some doubt, but certainly Philippides was not the
    messenger. Still, in the centuries that followed, the legend of
    Pheidippides (as he began to be called) and the legend of a runner who
    died to bring news of victory to the Athenians merged, and many later
    writers gave the name Pheidippides to the ill-fated runner. In the
    nineteenth century Robert Browning wrote in his Dramatic Idylls of
    Pheidippides' dash to Athens, his announcement of victory, and his
    death. Though Pheidippides was certainly not the runner who carried the
    news of Greek victory to Athens, and though it seems unlikely that any
    professional foot courier of ancient Greece would have perished after
    such a run, the legend took hold, and out of that legend grew the modern
    marathon race.

  2. steve common said:

    See below for an extract from
    http://www.marathonguide.com/history/olympicmarathons/prologue.cfm

    die-hard running snobs and romantic dreamers will still want to believe
    the old "run to Athens and drop dead" bollocks, and may they be ever
    happy doing so, but Philippides ran the first *Spartathlon*, not the
    first marathon.

    And even if some hypothetical foot messenger did run from Marathon to
    Athens at the end of the battle against the Persians, it wasn't a
    marathon as we know it (42.195km), but an "around 25 mile" trail run.
    And I'll bet a beer that anyone insisting he wasn't allowed any walking
    breaks would've found a message scroll (at best) wedged somewhere
    uncomfortable.

    Maybe they were staging a mile race in Athens, and he just couldn't resist
    the urge to jump in (-; That would also explain the bit about dropping dead
    after the race.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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