Trundling again

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  1. Just Zis Guy

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    I went out shopping on the 'bent today, getting some bits for the Volvo from Kingsley at Shepherd's
    Green, then over to the Oxford Road to get a manual from Halfwits and something from the Shop on
    the Bridge. So, riding back down the Oxford Road I met up with a roadie on a nice bike with carbon
    forks and such.

    Roadie: "I've always fancied one of those" Self: "So have I - so I bought one!"

    He professed himself impressed with the turn of speed - once he caught up after the traffic had
    stopped again ;-)

    I suggested that the engine was at least partly responsible, but yes the bike is quite responsive.
    As indeed it is.

    So there you are: bloke on 'bent with suspension (and shopping) drops racer on lightweight bike. A
    nice little trundle, say I.

    Guy
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  2. Bob Flemming

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    On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 10:00:09 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I went out shopping on the 'bent today, getting some bits for the Volvo from Kingsley at Shepherd's
    >Green, then over to the Oxford Road to get a manual from Halfwits

    Interesting enough <and forgive me if this has already been covered
    here>, but there has been a very specific reason for all these
    avaricious individuals here on this ng getting their truing stands for a tenner <note jealousy>,
    this here shop called Halfwits have been taken over by a bunch of clueless accountants who have
    decided it's a bad idea to have a lot of 'stock' in the stores! So.....sell it cheap to get rid of
    it. And in future, if you want anything then you'll be presented with a nice glossy stock list from
    which you can view a picture of the product you want, which will then be ordered. Really great.

    All this coming from one of the guys in the bikehut at Watford. Looking round at an increasingly
    uninvited bare store, I said,

    'Oh,right, that's a shame, surely this means a big potential loss of business'? 'Yeah, more probable
    than not'.

    Not flying the Halfords flag here, but I did think that the bike huts had started to look ok,
    definitely an improvement on the archaic previous offerings. Is this policy anything other than
    business suicide?

    Still.......glad you all got your truing stands for a tenner :)

    bobf

    and something from the Shop on the
    >Bridge. So, riding back down the Oxford Road I met up with a roadie on a nice bike with carbon
    >forks and such.
    >
    >Roadie: "I've always fancied one of those" Self: "So have I - so I bought one!"
    >
    >He professed himself impressed with the turn of speed - once he caught up after the traffic had
    >stopped again ;-)
    >
    >I suggested that the engine was at least partly responsible, but yes the bike is quite responsive.
    >As indeed it is.
    >
    >So there you are: bloke on 'bent with suspension (and shopping) drops racer on lightweight bike. A
    >nice little trundle, say I.
    >
    >Guy
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    > work. Apologies.
     
  3. Just Zis Guy

    Just Zis Guy Guest

    On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 11:00:33 +0100, Bob Flemming <[email protected]> wrote:

    >in future, if you want anything then you'll be presented with a nice glossy stock list from which
    >you can view a picture of the product you want, which will then be ordered. Really great.

    Ah, that would be like http://www.wiggle.co.uk then, but without the bend-over-backwards customer
    service :)

    Guy
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  4. Peter B

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  6. Dave Kahn

    Dave Kahn Guest

    On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 10:00:09 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >So there you are: bloke on 'bent with suspension (and shopping) drops racer on lightweight bike. A
    >nice little trundle, say I.

    I've been dropped a couple of times around the Hampton / Twickenham / Richmond area by a commuter on
    a Challenge Hurricane. Once the speed winds up he sits on my wheel and waits until he senses I'm
    beginning to tire (not that long to wait) and then puts the hammer down. As he comes past I move
    straight onto his wheel but there's just no tow there to speak of for an upright. His bike probably
    has got a better engine than mine, and it don't 'arf shift once he gets it wound up.
    :)

    --
    Dave...
     
  7. Dave Kahn wrote:

    > I've been dropped a couple of times around the Hampton / Twickenham / Richmond area by a commuter
    > on a Challenge Hurricane. Once the speed winds up he sits on my wheel and waits until he senses
    > I'm beginning to tire (not that long to wait) and then puts the hammer down. As he comes past I
    > move straight onto his wheel but there's just no tow there to speak of for an upright. His bike
    > probably has got a better engine than mine, and it don't 'arf shift once he gets it wound up.

    Sounds like it could be Tim Costen. Useful engine. Could be scary fast in races when he gets his
    hands on the New! Improved!! version of this:
    http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/whpvc2001/DaveWilliams/DaveWilliams0
    80.html

    Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
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  8. Just Zis Guy

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    "Dave Larrington" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Sounds like it could be Tim Costen. Useful engine.

    OK, Dave, I have a question. You prolly know I ride a lowbike as my commuter, and you may have seen
    that I was able to turn in a fairly useful time in a recent team duathlon locally. I have only once
    been dropped by another cyclist, and he was riding a road bike while I was on my trundly tourer at
    the time. I have, on the other hand, dropped roadies while riding said tourer with a dynamo running.

    So I think I might be reasonably fit for a 40-year-old asthmatic, and I have a supicion that I might
    not make a complete tit of myself in an HPV race. Well, not in the race itself, anyway.

    Where can I go to find out whether I could actually keep up with even the tail-end-charlies in an
    HPV race? My bike isn't set up for racing (covered in lights and dynamos and stuff), and setting up
    a bike is a complete pain - are there People Out There who will hire me a Baron for a day to try in
    a race? Or is it really a matter of bunging on a pair of Stelvios and trying with the bike I have?

    I feel motivated to try some of this hairy-arsed racing stuff, just for a laugh, but don't know
    where to start at all.

    --
    Guy
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    I wonder if you wouldn't mind piecing out our imperfections with your thoughts; and while you're
    about it perhaps you could think when we talk of bicycles, that you see them printing their proud
    wheels i' the receiving earth; thanks awfully.
     
  9. Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

    > OK, Dave, I have a question [...] and I have a supicion that I might not make a complete tit of
    > myself in an HPV race. Well, not in the race itself, anyway.
    >
    > Where can I go to find out whether I could actually keep up with even the tail-end-charlies in an
    > HPV race?

    See here for the calendar: http://www.btinternet.com/~John.Olson/bhpc/events03/events03.html Next up
    is Castle Combe next Sunday, which is traditionally the annual Long Race (2 hours, ugh!)

    > My bike isn't set up for racing (covered in lights and dynamos and stuff), and setting up a bike
    > is a complete pain - are there People Out There who will hire me a Baron for a day to try in a
    > race? Or is it really a matter of bunging on a pair of Stelvios and trying with the bike I have?

    I don't know of anywhere who would do this, though asking around the Usual Suspects - Bikefix,
    London Recumbents, Future Cycles might yield results.

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  10. Danny Colyer

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    Dave Larrington wrote:
    > See here for the calendar: http://www.btinternet.com/~John.Olson/bhpc/events03/events03.html Next
    > up is Castle Combe next Sunday, which is traditionally the annual Long Race (2 hours, ugh!)

    It's really quite disappointing that the meet at my local racetrack happens to coincide with
    Bristol's Biggest Bike Ride this year :-(

    I'll be doing BBBR with my family.

    BTW Dave, my mate Jamie (who was asking you about the Speed Machine at Thruxton) is due to take
    delivery of a shiny new Speed Machine next week.

    --
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    Thomas Paine
     
  11. John B

    John B Guest

    Danny Colyer wrote:

    > Dave Larrington wrote:
    > > See here for the calendar: http://www.btinternet.com/~John.Olson/bhpc/events03/events03.html
    > > Next up is Castle Combe next Sunday, which is traditionally the annual Long Race (2 hours, ugh!)
    >
    > It's really quite disappointing that the meet at my local racetrack happens to coincide with
    > Bristol's Biggest Bike Ride this year :-(
    >

    I had exactly the same problem, having seen the meet at Thruxton advertised, where I fancied taking
    the trice for a spin. It unfortunately clashed with the Round the Island ride, which I'd promised to
    ride with my daughter.

    Luckily the local scouts have booked Thruxton for a fund-raising day on Sunday 22nd June, so I'm
    hoping to muscle in on that.

    John B
     
  12. Dave Kahn

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  13. Dave Kahn

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    "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...

    > Where can I go to find out whether I could actually keep up with even the tail-end-charlies in
    > an HPV race? My bike isn't set up for racing (covered in lights and dynamos and stuff), and
    > setting up a bike is a complete pain - are there People Out There who will hire me a Baron for a
    > day to try in a race? Or is it really a matter of bunging on a pair of Stelvios and trying with
    > the bike I have?

    You clearly need a fully faired racing recumbent to go with your utility recumbent. Add a trailer so
    you can use one to transport the other to races and you're all set.

    :)

    --
    Dave...
     
  14. Dave Kahn wrote:

    > You clearly need a fully faired racing recumbent to go with your utility recumbent. Add a trailer
    > so you can use one to transport the other to races and you're all set.

    What you actually need is the setup that Sacha Knoop had in 1996. Method:

    o remove low racer from full fairing o attach pair of wheels to fittings on side of fiaring o attach
    drawbar to fitting on front of fairing

    And voila! A streamlined trailer with vast capacity. He used this to ride from Harwich to Leicester
    for the 1996 European Championships, and thence up to Lancaster for Cyclefest. Shortly afterwards, a
    friend riding his recumbent in Holland was told by a passer-by that he had seen a similar bike on
    the ferry from England, but it was towing a caravan! Photo on page 20 of the BHPC Newsletter, Issue
    47 - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/PDF/Issue47.pdf (1051 kb)

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  15. Tim Costen

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    [email protected] (Dave Kahn) wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > "Dave Larrington" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    > > Sounds like it could be Tim Costen. Useful engine. Could be scary fast in races when he gets his
    > > hands on the New! Improved!! version of this:
    > > http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/whpvc2001/DaveWilliams/DaveWilliams0
    > > 80.html
    >
    > I'll ask him if I bump into him again.

    /Unlurk

    Yes, it is indeed me that keeps burning you off Dave. But do say hello next time I pass you :)

    Best moment for a few weeks was in Richmond Park recently. Overtaken by two roadies up the steep
    hill from Kingston Gate to Robin Hood Gate (I didn't see them coming up behind me, and they jumped
    me). They got 100 yards clear. Once we got on the flat they settled down into a mini paceline,
    giving it all they had. Overtook them with a ~5mph speed difference (i.e. I was doing about 30mph)
    and left them in the dust. Such shocking language !

    Tim Costen

    /lurk
     
  16. Dave Kahn

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    [email protected] (Tim Costen) wrote in message
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    >
    > Yes, it is indeed me that keeps burning you off Dave. But do say hello next time I pass you :)

    Hello Ti.... :)

    --
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  17. Dave Kahn

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    "Dave Larrington" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > What you actually need is the setup that Sacha Knoop had in 1996. Method:
    >
    > o remove low racer from full fairing o attach pair of wheels to fittings on side of fiaring o
    > attach drawbar to fitting on front of fairing
    >
    > And voila! A streamlined trailer with vast capacity.

    That looks brilliant although the nose of the "caravan" seems a little vulnerable if it pitches at
    all. Guy would still have the problem of either having to remove mudguards, lights etc. or race
    with them on. However, it strikes me that a racing tricycle could possibly me made to serve as its
    own trailer.

    --
    Dave...
     
  18. Dave Kahn wrote:

    > However, it strikes me that a racing tricycle could possibly me made to serve as its own trailer.

    Back in the Old Days, when trains had Real Guards Vans (tm), the Norwich crowd - Mike Burrows and
    Co - used to travel to races by train. The fully-faired Works Lightweight Windcheetah was both
    illegal for road use and somewhat on the fragile side, so instead of riding it to and from the
    station, Mike built a little two-wheeled trailer which was towed behind a standard unfaired
    Windcheetah. The rear wheel of the Works Lightweight then sat on the trolley, with the machine
    pointing backwards, giving an overall train length of about fifteen feet (and with seven road
    wheels). Alas, I have no pictures of this.

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  19. Carol Hague

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    Just zis Guy, you know? <[email protected]> wrote:

    > So I think I might be reasonably fit for a 40-year-old asthmatic, and I have a supicion that I
    > might not make a complete tit of myself in an HPV race. Well, not in the race itself, anyway.

    If a fat bird on a tricycle (i.e. me) can do it, I'm sure you'd be fine.

    You can be sure of going faster than me anyway :) [1]

    I find it most amusing that I'm currently leading the Multitrack section on points....

    [1] This is not difficult.

    --
    Carol Hague "...it's not normal if you don't like cake..." - Sean Yates
     
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