Ride-A-Lot wrote:
> Craig Brossman wrote:
>> Ride-A-Lot wrote:
>>> While I don't particularly like the Faux Bar Single Pivot of the new
>>> Five Spot, quality wise there is no comparison. Turner.
>>>
>>> Why not look at Ventana? If you are going to spend that kind of $$$,
>>> it's in your price range.
>>>
>>
>> How is the Faux Bar suspension design of the Turner different from the
>> Ventana design?
>
> I'm not going to get into the engineering differences. You can google
> that yourself (+difference +four +bar +single +pivot).
>
> The four bar system on the Ventana is similar (yet different enough not
> to pay royalties) to the Horst or VPP. Short story, it makes climbing
> more efficient (or at least supposed to) and reduces brake jack.
>
> Without the Horst Link, the 4 bar linkage becomes a faux bar - the rear
> axle is on the same beam as the main pivot, essentially like a dressed
> up single pivot bike. Can you say bouncy?
>
> Now some people don't mind the single pivot, heck I even think Ventana
> still makes a SP design and the SC Heckler is a single pivot.
>
> It all comes down to what you like and having tried and owned both
> designs, I find the four bar to be more efficient for me.
>
R-A-L,
I believe you are mistaken. The Ventana (which I own one) is a Faux Bar,
the rear pivot is on the seat stay, rather than the chain stay. With the
rear pivot both below and in front of the rear axle, the bike is a Horst
Link, like the Titus, which my lovely wife owns.
The new Turner design (or TNT) is similar to the Ventana, the rear pivot
is on the seat stay.
Having never ridden a Turner, and not caring all that much, I can't
comment on the other very tangible differences in design, but they are
roughly the same faux bar design. I do know that others have argued that
as the rear pivot moves closer to the rear axle, the differences between
Faux bar and horst link begin to disappear. I will also say that I like
the way my Ventana El Saltamontes climbs, and since I live in Durango,
which is all about climbing, I feel I have some real world knowledge
behind this statement.
Having been a jerk and trying to correct you (perhaps incorrectly) in a
public forum, I agree with your intent. Look at the Ventana, as well as
the Turner. My Ventana has been a great bike for 3 hard years. I cannot
imagine having to replace it with another F.S. anytime soon.
I have riding partners replacing frames, pivots, pivot bolts ... but not
me. Only the components, which I guess I can blame on the frame. If the
frame felt a bit less stable and sturdy, I would probably ride less
hard. If I rode less hard, the bolt-ons would have a better chance of
surviving.
--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado
Owner/Operator of the Pekingnese Ranch.
