TV Ads Say S.U.V. Owners Support Terrorists



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Slightly off topic but they do compromise our share of the road:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/08/business/media/08SUVS.html?ex=10426932
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TV Ads Say S.U.V. Owners Support Terrorists By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE

ASHINGTON, Jan. 7 ‹ Ratcheting up the debate over sport utility vehicles, new television commercials
suggest that people who buy the vehicles are supporting terrorists. The commercials are so
provocative that some television stations are refusing to run them.

Patterned after the commercials that try to discourage drug use by suggesting that profits from
illegal drugs go to terrorists, the new commercials say that money for gas needed for S.U.V.'s goes
to terrorists.

"This is George," a girl's voice says of an oblivious man at a gas station. "This is the gas that
George bought for his S.U.V." The screen then shows a map of the Middle East. "These are the
countries where the executives bought the oil that made the gas that George bought for his
S.U.V." The picture switches to a scene of armed terrorists in a desert. "And these are the
terrorists who get money from those countries every time George fills up his S.U.V."

A second commercial depicts a series of ordinary Americans saying things like: "I helped hijack an
airplane"; "I gave money to a terrorist training camp in a foreign country"; "What if I need to go
off-road?"

At the close, the screen is filled with the words: "What is your S.U.V. doing to our national
security?"

The two 30-second commercials are the brainchild of the author and columnist Arianna Huffington. Her
target audience, she said, is Detroit and Congress, especially the Republicans and Democrats who
last year voted against a bill, sponsored by Senators John McCain, Republican of Arizona, and John
Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts, that would have raised fuel-efficiency standards.

Spokesmen for the automakers dismissed the commercials.

Eron Shosteck, a spokesman for the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, said of Ms. Huffington,
"Her opinion is out-voted every year by Americans who buy S.U.V.'s for their safety, comfort and
versatility." He said that S.U.V.'s now account for 21 percent of the market.

In an interview, Senator Kerry distanced himself from the commercials. He said that rather than
oppose S.U.V.'s outright, he believed they should be more efficient.

"I haven't seen these commercials," he said, "but anybody can drive as large an S.U.V. as they want,
though it can be more efficient than it is today."

SV. Huffington's group, which calls itself the Detroit Project, has bought almost $200,000 of air
time for the commercials, to run from Sunday to Thursday. While the group may lose some
viewers if stations refuse to run the advertisements, the message is attracting attention
through news coverage.

The advertisements are to be broadcast on "Meet The Press," "Face the Nation" and "This Week With
George Stephanopoulos" in Detroit, Los Angeles, New York and Washington.

But some local affiliates say they will not run them. At the ABC affiliate in New York, Art Moore,
director of programming, said, "There were a lot of statements being made that were not backed up,
and they're talking about hot-button issues."

SW. Huffington said she got the idea for the commercials while watching the antidrug commercials,
sponsored by the Bush administration. In her syndicated column, she asked readers if they would
be willing to pay for "a people's ad campaign to jolt our leaders into reality."

She said she received 5,000 e-mail messages and eventually raised $50,000 from the public. Bigger
contributors included Steve Bing, the film producer; Larry David, the comedian and "Seinfeld"
co-creator; and Norman Lear, the television producer.

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On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 09:24:35 -0800, "Cycle America/Nat. Bicycle Greenway" <[email protected]> wrote:

I love the quote from the auto makers:

>Her opinion is out-voted every year by Americans who buy S.U.V.'s for their safety, comfort and
>versatility.

Clearly he hasn't heard about the safety record of SUVs :)

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Tom Keats

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In article <[email protected]>, "Mike DeMicco" <[email protected]> writes:

> Also, why just pick on SUVs?

Numbers.

Other personal vehicles aren't being bought & sold, and put on the road, in the same sort of
frenetic hussle, or in the same quantities.

Maybe it's not so much SUVs per se being picked on, as the marketing-push to pump so many of those
thirsty, climate changing, supersized behemoths into the world.

cheers, Tom

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Thu, 09 Jan 2003 19:46:06 +0000, <[email protected]>, "Just zis Guy, you
know?" <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 09:24:35 -0800, "Cycle America/Nat. Bicycle Greenway"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I love the quote from the auto makers:
>
>>Her opinion is out-voted every year by Americans who buy S.U.V.'s for their safety, comfort and
>>versatility.
>
>Clearly he hasn't heard about the safety record of SUVs :)
>
>Guy

Since it's quoting an "auto maker", I'm certain they're very much aware of the SUVs' safety issues.

The sick part is when we're going to see them introduce zero emission vehicles and not give them the
advertising support needed to make it successful. Then they'll be able to fall back and say "see we
told ya so".

See - Road Outrage: How Corporate Greed And Political Corruption Paved The Way For The SUV Explosion
By Arianna Huffington http://www.detroitproject.com/readmore/ah_010803.htm

Check out Ms. Huffington's site and you can watch the commercials. http://www.detroitproject.com/
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Matt O'Toole

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"Mike DeMicco" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 09:24:35 -0800, Cycle America/Nat. Bicycle Greenway wrote:
>
> > TV Ads Say S.U.V. Owners Support Terrorists By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
>
> This whole thing is dumb. The root cause is overpopulation (i.e., too many drivers) and the low
> price of gas. Maybe people don't remember the oil shortages of the 70's when gas prices shot up
> and people stopped buying big cars. Also, why just pick on SUVs? I see a lot of full sized pickup
> trucks on the roads with empty beds and, as a cyclist, I hate those overwide dual wheeled versions
> that take up the whole lane. At least an SUV can hold a bunch of passengers. The F series is
> Ford's biggest seller.

I consider pickups to be SUVs, and I think the govt. does too.

Some people do have big trailers to pull, and need "duallies," but I bet more of them are sold to
people just wanting the image.

Here's an idea I've been pushing for awhile -- elminate all car taxes and registration fees, and
replace them with gasoline taxes. Just figure it on average tax paid and mileage driven, so net
revenue, and net cost to consumers, should be the same. But then people would have an opportunity to
save money by driving a more efficient vehicle. Furthermore, it would remove a huge hurdle from
purchasing a new car -- the big upfront car tax is a major part of the drive-off cost. So switching
vehicles would be made easier, and there would be a wave of new cars sold, which would be good for
the economy.

But politically, the big problem with such a thing is that Honda/Toyota would probably get more of
the action than Detroit! Lobbyists would put a quick stop to it.

Matt O.
 
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Zippy The Pinhe

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"Mike DeMicco" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>Maybe people don't remember the oil shortages of the 70's when gas prices
shot up and people stopped buying big cars.

I remember that. Two things come to mind.

Remember "Odd or Even" gas days, and stations being closed? "Odd or Even" meant you looked at the
last digit of your (California) license plate, and purchased gas on an odd or even date accordingly.
If you could find a gas station open. Sometimes just for the hell of it, some of us would get
together and stop at a closed gas station and line up one car behind the other at a pump. Soon, cars
would pull off the road and line up behind us. We'd finish our lunch, then leave. Great practical
joke. I felt a little bit bad because they were all idling their engines.

I remember friends who bought a diesel VW and filled the tank in Mexico every payday and drove it
around San Diego for the intervening two weeks.
 
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On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 12:40:00 -0800, Zoot Katz <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm waiting for two purchases right now: a used copy of Unsafe At Any Speed, which I really want to
read, and I've also bought High And Mighty. I've no doubt that I'll get Huffington's book as well,
right after I've found a copy of Stupid White Men :)

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Mark Jones

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"Matt O'Toole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The problem is not boats or people hauling stuff in their vans on
weekends,
> but millions of people driving oversized vehicles to work every day while hauling nothing but
> their own fat ass.
Are you going to come over and add another bay to my garage so I will have a place to park an
economy car? Are you going to also pay the extra insurance cost?

My truck is my primary transportation and is used for hauling stuff as needed. I have had three
economy cars and I hated them.
 
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Raoul Duke

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"Tom Keats" <[email protected]_SPAM.vcn.bc.ca> wrote in message news:[email protected]...

> Maybe it's not so much SUVs per se being picked on, as the marketing-push to pump so many of those
> thirsty, climate changing, supersized behemoths into the world.

Climate changing? Whose climate has been changed by SUV's?

Dave
 
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Edward Dike

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Tom Keats <[email protected]_SPAM.vcn.bc.ca> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
| In article <[email protected]>, "Mike DeMicco"
| <[email protected]> writes:
|
| > Also, why just pick on SUVs?
|
| Numbers.
|
| Other personal vehicles aren't being bought & sold, and put on the road, in the same sort of
| frenetic hussle, or in the same quantities.
|
| Maybe it's not so much SUVs per se being picked on, as the marketing-push to pump so many of those
| thirsty, climate changing, supersized behemoths into the world.
|
|
| cheers, Tom
|

"...Other personal vehicles aren't being bought & sold, and
| put on the road, in the same sort of frenetic hussle, or in the same quantities..."

"...Also, why just pick on SUVs?..."

A very observant query.

Actually, Ford & Chevy Pick-ups are far more common than their related SUVs, which are essentially
the same drivetrain. Because the anti SUV movement, like many so called 'environmental' concerns is
driven by those pushing an socialistic economic agenda that has little to do with the preservation
of natural resources. From the perspective, and concern of a cyclist, a full size pickup, and a SUV
represent similar encounter challenges, yet in these newsgroups the pickup is rarely viified the
way the SUV is.

To go after pickup trucks is to go after the construction worker/ tradesman / working class who
historically has been more likely a Democrat than Republican supporter, the involved politicians
know who to go after, and who to avoid. Recognize the crusade for what it is driven by.... The
politics of envy: If I can't have one, or don't want one; then you should not be allowed one.

ED3
 
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Curtis L. Russe

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"Matt O'Toole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>

...
> I consider pickups to be SUVs, and I think the govt. does too.
>

No, they don't.

FWIW, even the equivalent luxury pickups (XLTs or whatever) weigh less and get better gas mileage on
average, for the same profile. It isn't necessary - a SUV could be made more aerodynamic than a van,
which is basically a barn door driving into the wind. But that would mean giving up all that
nonsensical body cladding and aggressive styling.

My personal observation is that the standard pickups and vans
(i.e.commercial types) tend to know they are pickups and vans. They don't blithely merge into
traffic evidently unaware or uncaring about the blind spots on large vehicles. In addition, the
tires and suspension aren't trying to fool anyone into believing that they are driving a car:
the tires and suspensions as a result don't have the same rancid record when it comes to
blow-outs and turnovers.

Again a personal observation, about the same two stretches of road, five days a week, where the
right lane SHOULD be a merge lane off an Interstate, but can be used to jump to the head of the line
of traffic (one where the merge is at a flashing caution light with cross traffic trying to get on
the road) - 9 out of 10 vehicles that choose to endanger everyone so that they can cut 3 or 4
seconds from their commute are SUVs. On some days four or five vehicles will do it and they will be
all SUVs. No other type of vehicle is remotely close in this behavior pattern. Scientific? No. But a
constant observation.

Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA)
 
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Edward Dike

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Matt O'Toole <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
|
| "Mike DeMicco" <[email protected]> wrote in message
| news:p[email protected]...
|
| > On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 09:24:35 -0800, Cycle America/Nat. Bicycle Greenway wrote:
| >
| > > TV Ads Say S.U.V. Owners Support Terrorists By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
| >
| > This whole thing is dumb. The root cause is overpopulation (i.e., too
many
| > drivers) and the low price of gas. Maybe people don't remember the oil shortages of the 70's
| > when gas prices shot up and people stopped buying big cars. Also, why just pick on SUVs? I see a
| > lot of full sized pickup trucks on the roads with empty beds and, as a cyclist, I hate those
| > overwide dual wheeled versions that take up the whole lane. At least an SUV can hold a bunch of
| > passengers. The F series is Ford's biggest
seller.
|
| I consider pickups to be SUVs, and I think the govt. does too.
|
| Some people do have big trailers to pull, and need "duallies," but I bet more of them are sold to
| people just wanting the image.
|
| Here's an idea I've been pushing for awhile -- elminate all car taxes and registration fees, and
| replace them with gasoline taxes. Just figure it
on
| average tax paid and mileage driven, so net revenue, and net cost to consumers, should be the
| same. But then people would have an opportunity
to
| save money by driving a more efficient vehicle. Furthermore, it would remove a huge hurdle from
| purchasing a new car -- the big upfront car tax
is
| a major part of the drive-off cost. So switching vehicles would be made easier, and there would be
| a wave of new cars sold, which would be good
for
| the economy.
|
| But politically, the big problem with such a thing is that Honda/Toyota would probably get more of
| the action than Detroit! Lobbyists would put a quick stop to it.
|
| Matt O.
|
I don't know where you live, but most places in the USA have considerable Federal, state, and even
some local taxes applied at the gas pump... I haven't heard of "car taxes" before, perhaps you can
elaborate. Annual registration fees are based on value here in MN. I doubt I pay more than $100 year
for 2 vehicles. ED3
 
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Thomas Reynolds

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"Matt O'Toole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> "David L. Johnson >" <David L. Johnson <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > My new Subaru Forester (which is not really an SUV, but...) gets 27mpg. The industry has
> > improved performance/mileage over the years, even despite these monster trucks.
>
> Well, yes and no. They've definately improved performance and economy with respect to size. The
> problem is that they keep selling us bigger and bigger vehicles. An illustrative example is the
> new Saturn Ion -- 400lb heavier than the S-Series it replaces, but hardly different.
>
I'll give a better example - GM's new H2, a tank-like vehicle that gets 10-12 mpg.
 
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Cucycln

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Doesn't take much money to put a bomb on your belt and walk into a shopping mall. So you don't need
much financing. Hence: stop driving all those Honda civics....your supporting a poor welfare
terrorists! "Raoul Duke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Tom Keats" <[email protected]_SPAM.vcn.bc.ca> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> > Maybe it's not so much SUVs per se being picked on, as the marketing-push to pump so many of
> > those thirsty, climate changing, supersized behemoths into the world.
>
> Climate changing? Whose climate has been changed by SUV's?
>
> Dave
 
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Zippy The Pinhe

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"Raoul Duke" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...

> > Maybe it's not so much SUVs per se being picked on, as the
marketing-push to pump so many of those thirsty, climate changing, supersized behemoths into
the world.
>
> Climate changing? Whose climate has been changed by SUV's?

Nevermind, he's just being shrill, hysterical and hyperbolic.
 
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Zippy The Pinhe

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"Mike Latondresse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > If you don't like what I drive, **** you!
> >
> Actually we don't have a clue what you drive, it's you we don't like.

Who is "we"? Do you speak for everyone but Mike? What does it take to get into your club?
 
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Preston Crawfor

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In article <[email protected]>, Mark Jones wrote:
> "Robert Haston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I don't car what anyone drives. I do care that we pay drivers
> (particularly
>> urban, solo, peak hour drivers) thousands a year to drive. We spend
> nearly
>> as much "defending" oil (and defending against terrorism fomented by our defense) as we pay for
>> it. This alone is at least a quarter a gallon.
> But
>> compared to "free" parking, police and fire service, etc. it is small.
> But
>> you will never see that story in the auto-ad sponsored media.
> I am well aware of the fact that a large part of my tax money goes to the U.S. military to help
> ensure the continued flow of oil. That is one of the prices we have to be willing to accept.

So you're comfortable with telling mothers of soldiers that come home in body bags that they died
for your gas addiction? You're comfortable knowing that the blood of the thousands that died on 9/11
is in part on your hands? If you can live with that, more power to you. I'd prefer to see us change
our ways, personally.

Preston
 
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Ken -Lsqny)

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On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:00:13 -0500, Frank Krygowski <[email protected]> spewed:

>"Ken [NY)" wrote:
>>
>> And don't forget Ms. Ariana Huffington, one of the other "experts" with the Detroit
>> Project. She owns a private jet. Talk about oil usage. But of course she would not want
>> you to chose to drive a frigging 4X4!
>
>I get your point, Ken. We need to raise taxes on those rich celebrities, so they can't afford such
>extravagance. Good idea!

Ms. Huffington is a fiscal conservative who is in favor of less taxes, by the way. And
raising taxes on her would just force her to put her money in tax shelters or tax free
bonds instead of the economy. I don't think we want to see that. I just don't like the
people who drive big gas guzzlers or aircraft telling others that they shouldn't have
the right to own gas guzzlers. And I'll make a bet that neither Ms. Huffington or
anybody else with the Detroit Project even sees the irony in that.

Ken (NY) Chairman, Department Of Redundancy Department
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